Left Wing MSNBC Publishes DOJ White Paper On Targeted Drone Killings

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Left Wing MSNBC Publishes DOJ White Paper On Targeted Drone Killings


That said...is the right and others arguing that terrorism should be dealt as a law enforcement problem and not militarily?

EXCLUSIVE: Justice Department memo reveals legal case for drone strikes on Americans

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf

The leftists in America have attacked President Obama's policy here and the right wingers have joined them, without mentioning it is the left and teh ACLU who are attacking and challenging the Obama admin the most over this.

We have a Columbia Law Professor debating an ACLU Lawyer over what it all means: Video and transcript

The Justice Department?s White Paper on Targeted Killing

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/06/us/politics/obama-slow-to-reveal-secrets-on-targeted-killings.html


That said...is the right and others arguing that terrorism should be dealt as a law enforcement problem and not militarily?

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So what is it that has the right, anarchists, libertarian kook types and others wetting their pants? You'd have to see or read a transcript of an actual civil and sane debate over what little has been revealed: Justice Department Justifies Killing Americans Abroad With Links to al-Qaida | PBS NewsHour | Feb. 5, 2013 | PBS


That said...is the right and others arguing that terrorism should be dealt as a law enforcement problem and not militarily?

GWEN IFILL: Matthew Waxman, are these standards that you see laid out in this white paper open to manipulation?

MATTHEW WAXMAN, Columbia Law School: Well, I had a different reaction than Ms. Shamsi did to this document.

As I read it, I see it as careful and narrow. I still have some questions about it. It's a summary document and there are parts of it that leave some gaps in my mind as to how the reasoning unfolded. But I think this is a serious effort to articulate limits to the president's power to engage in targeted killing and a reasonable effort to translate constitutional and international law to deal with this new kind of war.

GWEN IFILL: Well, let me ask you this, Professor Waxman. If this only applies to Americans on foreign soil, why wouldn't this reasoning apply to Americans on U.S. soil at home?

MATTHEW WAXMAN: Well, what one of the things that the lawyers -- the drafters of this memo do is try to explain that this is an analysis of a limited set of facts, a set of facts that were probably provided by senior officials to deal with situations that confront them in the real world.

And I think one of the important points that the article makes -- I'm sorry -- that the memo makes is that we are engaged in an ongoing war, an ongoing armed conflict with al-Qaida, and this is a conflict that is not contained to traditional battlefields abroad, places like Afghanistan.

That's a position, by the way, that now two presidents of both parties, Congress and the courts have all essentially embraced.

GWEN IFILL: Let me ask Hina Shamsi about that.

If this indeed is a brave new day and that there ought to be more latitude given to governments to protect themselves, how do you argue against them taking that latitude and running with it?

HINA SHAMSI: Well, first of all, I think it's an overstatement to say that these are standards that are narrow and restricted. They're not if you read the memo.

The ACLU Lawyer is like many posters here @ USMB...she says "if you read the memo." ignoring the fact that the Columbia Law Professor has read the memo and is actually debating what he read, not what she insists it says.

That said...is the right and others arguing that terrorism should be dealt as a law enforcement problem and not militarily?

 

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Right, left....Nothing.

American citizens shouldn't be summarily executed...Period.

 

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Right, left....Nothing.

American citizens shouldn't be summarily executed...Period.

So treat the war on terror as a judicial issue, criminal, when Americans hide out with enemies plotting attacks on America and Americas?

What other choice is there? what do you suggest, if not treating it like a judicial matter?

 

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Some Americans plotted against their own country, murdered people, played footsie with our current President and fuckfaces like you don't give a shit.

The ring from you couldn't be more hollow, dickhead.

 

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Some Americans plotted against their own country, murdered people, played footsie with our current President and fuckfaces like you don't give a shit.

The ring from you couldn't be more hollow, dickhead.

You avoided the question(s). American terrorists, hiding overseas, plotting deadly attacks on America...how would you tackle it?

 

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I think before we answer that question, this one might be due:

How do we address western terrorism? Nicaragua, for example.

I've had a lot of discussions on this topic turn hostile, so if this follows a similar route, I'll be ignoring the posters in question. ​

 

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Some Americans plotted against their own country, murdered people, played footsie with our current President and fuckfaces like you don't give a shit.

The ring from you couldn't be more hollow, dickhead.

You avoided the question(s). American terrorists, hiding overseas, plotting deadly attacks on America...how would you tackle it?

Actually, it does answer the question.

As long as the plotters and perpetrators of actual murderous acts are socialist subversive assholes with their heads up your Boiking's ass, you don't give a fuck.

Ergo your current scenario shatters the rings-hollow-o-meter.

 

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An exterior threat to our national security should be dealt with summarily. It matters not if they are citizens of this country, Canada or wherever.

This is a military matter and should be handled as such. But there comes a time when the distinction between imminent threat and possible threat becomes blurred and who is going to decide if it warrants termination?

It also raises the possibility of political manipulation and could result in the assassination of political opponents when they travel abroad. Not probable but possible.

 

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The Left Wing Branch of the MSM led with this story...yet the right wing went apeshit online never truly mentioning this...insinuating the MSM was ignoring it.