Lebanon, IDF Exchange Fire

[georgephillip]

His sources must be not so biased as yours

Surely, you are not implying bias on the part of the UN?

"29 December 2013 – Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged maximum restraint by all sides after today's rocket attack on Israel from southern Lebanon, which was then followed by artillery fire from the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF).

"According to the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), two rockets fired from the general area of El Khiam in southern Lebanon around 7 a.m. local time and impacted in the vicinity of Kiryat Shimona in northern Israel. The IDF returned 32 rounds of artillery fire directed at the area from where the rockets had originated."

United Nations News Centre - UN chief urges maximum restraint after exchange of fire across Israeli-Lebanese border

UN and EU of today are a laughing stock.

Would Israel exist today without the UN and EU (USA)?

 

[Hollie]

Surely, you are not implying bias on the part of the UN?

"29 December 2013 – Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urged maximum restraint by all sides after today's rocket attack on Israel from southern Lebanon, which was then followed by artillery fire from the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF).

"According to the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), two rockets fired from the general area of El Khiam in southern Lebanon around 7 a.m. local time and impacted in the vicinity of Kiryat Shimona in northern Israel. The IDF returned 32 rounds of artillery fire directed at the area from where the rockets had originated."

United Nations News Centre - UN chief urges maximum restraint after exchange of fire across Israeli-Lebanese border

UN and EU of today are a laughing stock.

Would Israel exist today without the UN and EU (USA)?

Yes. Israel would still exist without the support (what little there is), of the UN or support of the US.

Quite clearly, the Arab squatters / islamic terrorists incorrectly called "Palestinians" would not, absent the UN welfare agency dedicated exclusively to their continued, invented status as a "nationality".

 

[georgephillip]

UN and EU of today are a laughing stock.

Would Israel exist today without the UN and EU (USA)?

Yes. Israel would still exist without the support (what little there is), of the UN or support of the US.

Quite clearly, the Arab squatters / islamic terrorists incorrectly called "Palestinians" would not, absent the UN welfare agency dedicated exclusively to their continued, invented status as a "nationality".

If the UN hadn't condoned the actions of 650,000 Jews inflicting their nation by force of arms upon twice as many Arabs in 1948, Israel, as a Jewish state, would have been born dead. If the US had not supplied Israel with more foreign aid than any other country since the end of WWII, Jews would be uprooting olive trees in Hamburg, as we speak.

 

[Hossfly]

Would Israel exist today without the UN and EU (USA)?

Yes. Israel would still exist without the support (what little there is), of the UN or support of the US.

Quite clearly, the Arab squatters / islamic terrorists incorrectly called "Palestinians" would not, absent the UN welfare agency dedicated exclusively to their continued, invented status as a "nationality".

If the UN hadn't condoned the actions of 650,000 Jews inflicting their nation by force of arms upon twice as many Arabs in 1948, Israel, as a Jewish state, would have been born dead. If the US had not supplied Israel with more foreign aid than any other country since the end of WWII, Jews would be uprooting olive trees in Hamburg, as we speak.

Interesting. I've never heard this before. Perhaps Mr. George can give us a brief synopsis of these events.

 

[irosie91]

For Mr George. Israel existed long before 1948 as a NATION with that which
a nation does. It had schools, hospitals, it developed cities and had social
institutions which ---were self governed. In fact-----the US provide no aid to Israel
until more than 20 years AFTER 1948. Israel no more needed the UN to declare
independence from Great Britian than did the USA-----or INDIA ----or any of the
many other nations that did so -----post world war II

You are a bit deluded by the jihado nazi claim that "THE UN GAVE LAND TO THE JEWS"

In fact the most important player in facilitating the developement of israel -----besides
the jews themselves was TURKEY. IN DEFIANCE of shariah filth-----TURKEY
legalized land ownership by jews in what jihado nazis call "muslim land" It was
during the 1800s that jews began their LAND PURCHASE PROGRAM for the
developement of a refuge from the filth of isa-respecting persecution,'

Interestingly-----during that period of time ----the only people called "PALESTINIANS"--
by the world and by themselves were JEWS LIVING IN OTTOMAN "palestine"
and later jews living in BRITISH MANDATE "palestine"

the muslims called themselves "arabs" ---sometimes -- "syrians"

Jews also referred to the lands which had been ISRAEL/JUDEA----by the
ancient term ----LAND OF ISRAEL The land which did end up ---in the hands
of jews ------in 1948-----was mostly the ancient KINGDOM OF ISRAEL ---as
OPPOSED to the ancient KINGDOM OF JUDAH

The semantics are just that----semantics-----and virtually synonymous with
ISRAEL/JUDEA The term "palestine" has about as much meaning
today as "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" and------"AUSTRIAN HAPSBURG EMPIRE"

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Starting with Sykes-Picot?

"The territory of what would become the states of Israel and Lebanon was once part of the long-lived Ottoman Empire (1299–1922) until its defeat in World War I. As a result of Sinai and Palestine Campaign in 1917, the British occupied Palestine and parts of what would become Syria.

"French troops took Damascus in 1918.

"The League of Nations officially gave the French the Mandate of Syria and the British the Mandate of Palestine after the 1920 San Remo conference, in accordance with the 1916 Sykes-Picot Agreement."

Israel declared independence in March of 1948 with the blessing of the UN.

"The largely Christian enclave of the French Mandate became the French-controlled Lebanese Republic in 1926. Lebanon became independent in 1943 as France was under German occupation, though French troops did not completely withdraw until 1946."

Israeli?Lebanese conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The modern Syrian state was established after the first World War as a French mandate, and represented the largest Arab state to emerge from the formerly Ottoman-ruled Arab Levant."

So why do people go on about Israel and not Syria?

"Iraq's modern borders were mostly demarcated in 1920 by the League of Nations when the Ottoman Empire was divided by the Treaty of Sèvres."

I could go on.

Israel was created as other states were created.

nuf said

Not exactly.

"The following is a list of United Nations resolutions that concern both Israel and Palestine and bordering states such as Lebanon.

"The Human Rights Council has adopted more resolutions condemning Israel than it has all other states combined."

List of the UN resolutions concerning Israel and Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel was created to serve the interests of Empire in the Middle East.
What we're seeing today in Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, and Syria is part of a plan to redraw the original borders laid down by Sykes-Picot nearly a hundred years ago.
Stay tuned for Sudan, Somalia, and Iran.

"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia,Sudan and finishing off Iran.'"

Wesley Clark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel is as legitimate a state as any other.

end of story

 

[georgephillip]

"The modern Syrian state was established after the first World War as a French mandate, and represented the largest Arab state to emerge from the formerly Ottoman-ruled Arab Levant."

So why do people go on about Israel and not Syria?

"Iraq's modern borders were mostly demarcated in 1920 by the League of Nations when the Ottoman Empire was divided by the Treaty of Sèvres."

I could go on.

Israel was created as other states were created.

nuf said

Not exactly.

"The following is a list of United Nations resolutions that concern both Israel and Palestine and bordering states such as Lebanon.

"The Human Rights Council has adopted more resolutions condemning Israel than it has all other states combined."

List of the UN resolutions concerning Israel and Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel was created to serve the interests of Empire in the Middle East.
What we're seeing today in Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, and Syria is part of a plan to redraw the original borders laid down by Sykes-Picot nearly a hundred years ago.
Stay tuned for Sudan, Somalia, and Iran.

"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia,Sudan and finishing off Iran.'"

Wesley Clark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel is as legitimate a state as any other.

end of story

Maybe more legitimate?

"So now we know that it is foolish to expect the Americans to do anything remotely objectionable to Israel or remotely beneficial for the Palestinians.

"We know that it is ridiculous to consider the US to be an honest broker in the Israel-Palestine conflict; how could it be when its president now wears a 'badge of honour' bestowed by the right-wing Prime Minister of the Zionist state, Benjamin Netanyahu.

"The same Netanyahu, remember, who basically told Obama where to go when asked to put a stop on building and expanding Israel's illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank.

"And we know that the government of United States of America is being led by the nose by a pro-Israel Lobby which places Israel's interests above all others, America's included."

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/2853-is-israel-now-the-unofficial-51st-state-of-the-united-states-of-america

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Not exactly.

"The following is a list of United Nations resolutions that concern both Israel and Palestine and bordering states such as Lebanon.

"The Human Rights Council has adopted more resolutions condemning Israel than it has all other states combined."

List of the UN resolutions concerning Israel and Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel was created to serve the interests of Empire in the Middle East.
What we're seeing today in Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, and Syria is part of a plan to redraw the original borders laid down by Sykes-Picot nearly a hundred years ago.
Stay tuned for Sudan, Somalia, and Iran.

"In Clark's book, Winning Modern Wars, published in 2003, he describes his conversation with a military officer in the Pentagon shortly after 9/11 regarding a plan to attack seven Middle Eastern countries in five years: 'As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia,Sudan and finishing off Iran.'"

Wesley Clark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Israel is as legitimate a state as any other.

end of story

Maybe more legitimate?

"So now we know that it is foolish to expect the Americans to do anything remotely objectionable to Israel or remotely beneficial for the Palestinians.

"We know that it is ridiculous to consider the US to be an honest broker in the Israel-Palestine conflict; how could it be when its president now wears a 'badge of honour' bestowed by the right-wing Prime Minister of the Zionist state, Benjamin Netanyahu.

"The same Netanyahu, remember, who basically told Obama where to go when asked to put a stop on building and expanding Israel's illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank.

"And we know that the government of United States of America is being led by the nose by a pro-Israel Lobby which places Israel's interests above all others, America's included."

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/2853-is-israel-now-the-unofficial-51st-state-of-the-united-states-of-america

paraphrase Golda Meir : there will be peace in Palestine when Palestinian mothers love their children more than they hate Jews

 

[georgephillip]

For Mr George. Israel existed long before 1948 as a NATION with that which
a nation does. It had schools, hospitals, it developed cities and had social
institutions which ---were self governed. In fact-----the US provide no aid to Israel
until more than 20 years AFTER 1948. Israel no more needed the UN to declare
independence from Great Britian than did the USA-----or INDIA ----or any of the
many other nations that did so -----post world war II

You are a bit deluded by the jihado nazi claim that "THE UN GAVE LAND TO THE JEWS"

In fact the most important player in facilitating the developement of israel -----besides
the jews themselves was TURKEY. IN DEFIANCE of shariah filth-----TURKEY
legalized land ownership by jews in what jihado nazis call "muslim land" It was
during the 1800s that jews began their LAND PURCHASE PROGRAM for the
developement of a refuge from the filth of isa-respecting persecution,'

Interestingly-----during that period of time ----the only people called "PALESTINIANS"--
by the world and by themselves were JEWS LIVING IN OTTOMAN "palestine"
and later jews living in BRITISH MANDATE "palestine"

the muslims called themselves "arabs" ---sometimes -- "syrians"

Jews also referred to the lands which had been ISRAEL/JUDEA----by the
ancient term ----LAND OF ISRAEL The land which did end up ---in the hands
of jews ------in 1948-----was mostly the ancient KINGDOM OF ISRAEL ---as
OPPOSED to the ancient KINGDOM OF JUDAH

The semantics are just that----semantics-----and virtually synonymous with
ISRAEL/JUDEA The term "palestine" has about as much meaning
today as "HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE" and------"AUSTRIAN HAPSBURG EMPIRE"

What was the ratio of Jew to Arab in Palestine when Austria became Nazi bait?

 

[georgephillip]

Israel is as legitimate a state as any other.

end of story

Maybe more legitimate?

"So now we know that it is foolish to expect the Americans to do anything remotely objectionable to Israel or remotely beneficial for the Palestinians.

"We know that it is ridiculous to consider the US to be an honest broker in the Israel-Palestine conflict; how could it be when its president now wears a 'badge of honour' bestowed by the right-wing Prime Minister of the Zionist state, Benjamin Netanyahu.

"The same Netanyahu, remember, who basically told Obama where to go when asked to put a stop on building and expanding Israel's illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank.

"And we know that the government of United States of America is being led by the nose by a pro-Israel Lobby which places Israel's interests above all others, America's included."

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/2853-is-israel-now-the-unofficial-51st-state-of-the-united-states-of-america

paraphrase Golda Meir : there will be peace in Palestine when Palestinian mothers love their children more than they hate Jews

Is that the same Golda who said "there are no Palestinians?"

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Maybe more legitimate?

"So now we know that it is foolish to expect the Americans to do anything remotely objectionable to Israel or remotely beneficial for the Palestinians.

"We know that it is ridiculous to consider the US to be an honest broker in the Israel-Palestine conflict; how could it be when its president now wears a 'badge of honour' bestowed by the right-wing Prime Minister of the Zionist state, Benjamin Netanyahu.

"The same Netanyahu, remember, who basically told Obama where to go when asked to put a stop on building and expanding Israel's illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank.

"And we know that the government of United States of America is being led by the nose by a pro-Israel Lobby which places Israel's interests above all others, America's included."

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/2853-is-israel-now-the-unofficial-51st-state-of-the-united-states-of-america

paraphrase Golda Meir : there will be peace in Palestine when Palestinian mothers love their children more than they hate Jews

Is that the same Golda who said "there are no Palestinians?"

YUP

Who created the label 'Palestinian' as an identity and created the PLO and it's public relations campaign?

 

[georgephillip]

Yes. Israel would still exist without the support (what little there is), of the UN or support of the US.

Quite clearly, the Arab squatters / islamic terrorists incorrectly called "Palestinians" would not, absent the UN welfare agency dedicated exclusively to their continued, invented status as a "nationality".

If the UN hadn't condoned the actions of 650,000 Jews inflicting their nation by force of arms upon twice as many Arabs in 1948, Israel, as a Jewish state, would have been born dead. If the US had not supplied Israel with more foreign aid than any other country since the end of WWII, Jews would be uprooting olive trees in Hamburg, as we speak.

Interesting. I've never heard this before. Perhaps Mr. George can give us a brief synopsis of these events.

"'The Nakba did not begin in 1948. Its origins lie over two centuries ago….'

"So begins this four-part series on the ‘nakba’, meaning the ‘catastrophe’, about the history of the Palestinian exodus that led to the first Arab-Israeli war in 1948 and the establishment of the state of Israel.

"This sweeping history starts back in 1799 with Napoleon’s attempted advance into Palestine to check British expansion and his appeal to the Jews of the world to reclaim their land in league with France.

"The narrative moves through the 19th century and into the 20th century with the British Mandate in Palestine and comes right up to date in the 21st century and the ongoing ‘nakba’ on the ground."

Al-Nakba - Special series - Al Jazeera English

 

[georgephillip]

paraphrase Golda Meir : there will be peace in Palestine when Palestinian mothers love their children more than they hate Jews

Is that the same Golda who said "there are no Palestinians?"

YUP

Who created the label 'Palestinian' as an identity and created the PLO and it's public relations campaign?

"Conceived by the Arab states at the first Arab summit meeting, the 1964 Arab League summit (Cairo), its stated goal was the 'liberation of Palestine' through armed struggle. The organization was called Palestinian Liberation Organization.[10]

"The original PLO Charter (issued on 28 May 1964[11]) stated that 'Palestine with its boundaries that existed at the time of the British mandate is an integral regional unit' and sought to 'prohibit... the existence and activity' of Zionism.[10]

"It also called for a right of return and self-determination for Palestinians.

"Palestinian statehood was not mentioned, although in 1974 the PLO called for an independent state in the territory of Mandate Palestine.[12]

"The group used multi-layered guerrilla tactics to attack Israel from their bases in Jordan (including the West Bank), Lebanon, Egypt (Gaza Strip), and Syria.[13]"

650,000 Jews inflicting their nation upon twice as many Palestinians in 1948 created the PLO and its "public relations."

Palestine Liberation Organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Palestinians are A mythic people created in the 1960s? wow!

 

[georgephillip]

Palestinians are A mythic people created in the 1960s? wow!

Or maybe in 1917?

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Palestinians are A mythic people created in the 1960s? wow!

Or maybe in 1917?

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

are you confused over words and terms and how they are being used in certain context?

 

[georgephillip]

Palestinians are A mythic people created in the 1960s? wow!

Or maybe in 1917?

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine..."

Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

are you confused over words and terms and how they are being used in certain context?

Not particularly.
Why?