Lawsuit filed to remove Trump from ballot in CO under 14th Amendment

[martybegan]

"thinking" the election was fraudulent is insufficient cause to certify a slate to be counted by Congress. There has to be a legal determination as to which candidate won the popular vote within the state.

Who certified them?

Who accepted the certification if it happened?

Where is the actual fraud, or is it just political positioning now being treated as a "crime" for political gain?

 

[Faun]

Who certified them?

Who accepted the certification if it happened?

Where is the actual fraud, or is it just political positioning now being treated as a "crime" for political gain?

Not sure they were certified at all. If they were, it wasn't by someone authorized to certify them.

And that it wasn't accepted is not an excuse. If you offer to pay me to kill someone and I go to the police rather than accept your payment, you're still going to jail.

 

[Justin Richardson]

Biden's incompetence should be enough to be "remove from ballot" as well! Maybe, six (or more) Democrats should do the same!

 

[martybegan]

Not sure they were certified at all. If they were, it wasn't by someone authorized to certify them.

And that it wasn't accepted is not an excuse. If you offer to pay me to kill someone and I go to the police rather than accept your payment, you're still going to jail.

Then where is the fraud?

This isn't murder, it's a process. murder is it's own crime regardless of intent. That just tells you the type of murder.

 

[Faun]

Biden's incompetence should be enough to be "remove from ballot" as well! Maybe, six (or more) Democrats should do the same!

Quote where the Constitution designates that's a disqualifying factor...

 

[Faun]

Then where is the fraud?

This isn't murder, it's a process. murder is it's own crime regardless of intent. That just tells you the type of murder.

The fraud was to send fake electors. They were (fortunately) unsuccessful. But they still planned it. That's conspiracy to defraud.

 

[martybegan]

The fraud was to send fake electors. They were (fortunately) unsuccessful. But they still planned it. That's conspiracy to defraud.

If everyone knew they weren't the "real" electors, where was the fraud?

Conspiracy has to have a baseline crime, and here there wasn't one.

 

[Faun]

If everyone knew they weren't the "real" electors, where was the fraud?

Conspiracy has to have a baseline crime, and here there wasn't one.

Of course there was an intent to commit a crime. Sending fake electors to be counted by Congress is a crime. That's what they planned to do.

Your position is sinking fast.

 

[martybegan]

Of course there was an intent to commit a crime. Sending fake electors to be counted by Congress is a crime. That's what they planned to do.

Your position is sinking fast.

They thought the actual electors were fraudulently chosen, that makes it a political dispute, not a crime.

What law did they break by just sending non certified electors to congress?

And who was "sent" physically to congress?

 

[Faun]

They thought the actual electors were fraudulently chosen, that makes it a political dispute, not a crime.

What law did they break by just sending non certified electors to congress?

And who was "sent" physically to congress?

Such disputes are settled in court, not by committing a crime.

 

[martybegan]

Such disputes are settled in court, not by committing a crime.

What crime?

And then the courts are beyond hope, as many of them are now, what is the redress? Knuckle under and take it like you would? Up the ass? Nice and hard? And then thank government for doing it?

 

[Faun]

What crime?

And then the courts are beyond hope, as many of them are now, what is the redress? Knuckle under and take it like you would? Up the ass? Nice and hard? And then thank government for doing it?

Fraud.

 

[martybegan]

Fraud.

What fraud? Who was defrauded? What money was taken? What fraudulent document was accepted as real?

 

[Faun]

What fraud? Who was defrauded? What money was taken? What fraudulent document was accepted as real?

Again, it was an attempt to defraud.

The U.S.

Fraud doesn't have to involve money.

Fraud need not be successfully pulled off to hold those planning it accountable.

 

[martybegan]

Again, it was an attempt to defraud.

The U.S.

Fraud doesn't have to involve money.

Fraud need not be successfully pulled off to hold those planning it accountable.

Out in the open, saying they thought the actual electors were based on fraud.

Again, a political dispute, not a criminal act.

 

[Faun]

Out in the open, saying they thought the actual electors were based on fraud.

Again, a political dispute, not a criminal act.

LOL

It matters not if it was out in the open, which I'm not sure if that was the case. It was still an attempt to commit fraud. That is criminal even if their intent was political, not financial.

 

[martybegan]

LOL

It matters not if it was out in the open, which I'm not sure if that was the case. It was still an attempt to commit fraud. That is criminal even if their intent was political, not financial.

How do you commit fraud when your intentions are out for all to see? They were contesting State level elections, and saying they were doing it.

What crime was actually committed? what law violated?

 

[Faun]

How do you commit fraud when your intentions are out for all to see? They were contesting State level elections, and saying they were doing it.

What crime was actually committed? what law violated?

LOL

It was only out for all to see after their plan was exposed. And again, just planning the crime was a crime, even though it wasn't successfully pulled off. Just like a bunch of J6 convicts are in jail for planning an insurrection even though they failed to pull it off.

 

[JoeB131]

They didn't accept the results, they just ran out of options to fight. They still think they should have won those. (and 2004 for some of them)

What they didn't do is storm the Capitol and threaten Congress.

Which is what Trump did in his grand treason.

 

[martybegan]

LOL

It was only out for all to see after their plan was exposed. And again, just planning the crime was a crime, even though it wasn't successfully pulled off. Just like a bunch of J6 convicts are in jail for planning an insurrection even though they failed to pull it off.

Something isn't exposed when people are aware of it as it is happening.

What crime? You can't plan a crime if you can say what the crime was. This is the circular logic of a flawed conspiracy charge.

No insurrection, because they had no mechanism to actually 1) take over the government or 2) stop the transition of power still weeks away.