Lake Erie Today

[odanny]

Much of the Eastern United States has seen the coldest winter in the past 5-20 years.

 

[westwall]

Much of the Eastern United States has seen the coldest winter in the past 5-20 years.

Where's that global warming thingy you promised us?

 

[Anomalism]

Where's that global warming thingy you promised us?

This argument comes from bad faith. You already know there's a difference between climate and weather.

 

[westwall]

This argument comes from bad faith. You already know there's a difference between climate and weather.

No, this not an argument, this is mockery. And you made my point for me, whenever it is warm you silly people claim it's a warming climate, ignoring the fact that the heat records being broken were set DECADES before.

But when it's cold, oh...that's always "just the weather".

You can't have it both ways, sport.

That's not how science works. Not that you would know.

 

[Anomalism]

whenever it is warm you silly people claim...

You're lumping me in with some group in your mind and accusing me of things I've never done.

Not that you would know.

Let's find out.

So what is your position exactly?

 

[lg325]

People have told me the Lake has cleaned up and the Lake Trout Population is booming. I wouldn't mind going up there in warmer weather and do some fishing.

 

[westwall]

You're lumping me in with some group in your mind and accusing me of things I've never done.

Let's find out.

So what is your position exactly?

What's my position on what?

 

[Anomalism]

What's my position on what?

Climate science. I'd love to demonstrate your ignorance.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Much of the Eastern United States has seen the coldest winter in the past 5-20 years.

i was born and raised in that area.....it gets cold....

 

[westwall]

Climate science. I'd love to demonstrate your ignorance.

Climate science is rather vague. Care to ask a proper question.

 

[Anomalism]

Climate science is rather vague. Care to ask a proper question.

You're obviously in the crowd that thinks the scientists are lying. Let's have a conversation. Quit dodging.

Scared?

 

[marvin martian]

Much of the Eastern United States has seen the coldest winter in the past 5-20 years.

This is why you changed the name of your scam from "global warming" to "climate change", right?

 

[westwall]

You're obviously in the crowd that thinks the scientists are lying. Let's have a conversation. Quit dodging.

Scared?

I dodge nothing boyo. Feel free to ask a question and I will answer it. Just don't be vague. Unlike you, I AM a scientist.

 

[Anomalism]

I dodge nothing boyo. Feel free to ask a question and I will answer it. Just don't be vague. Unlike you, I AM a scientist.

Your posturing doesn't impress me. Let's see what you actually know. You think AGW scientists are lying, yes?

 

[evenflow1969]

People have told me the Lake has cleaned up and the Lake Trout Population is booming. I wouldn't mind going up there in warmer weather and do some fishing.

Lol, all we got in terms of trout are Brown trout. Not good eating. Still not enough of them to target. What you will find worth fishing for are walleye, perch, and steele head. Cat fish also if you want to target them. Kinda crazy to target cat fish considering there are better options. I target them every once in a while. Especially if I have kids on the boat not skilled enough to catch our main targets.

 

[evenflow1969]

Much of the Eastern United States has seen the coldest winter in the past 5-20 years.

I live on the lake. We have only had two years in the last twenty with good ice. Last year and this year. Otherwise my ice fishing gear and my snow mobiles have done nothing but collecting dust unless I go the upper peninsula on lake Michigan. These are polar vortex events we are having. Not natural weather. Only happening because the North Pole is much warmer than it should be.

 

[westwall]

Your posturing doesn't impress me. Let's see what you actually know. You think AGW scientists are lying, yes?

No, I KNOW they are lying. At least the one's who are pushing the global warming scam are. There are some climatologists who actually present real science. The AGW crowd don't, they present computer derived fiction.

 

[Anomalism]

No, I KNOW they are lying. At least the one's who are pushing the global warming scam are. There are some climatologists who actually present real science. The AGW crowd don't, they present computer derived fiction.

What are they lying about, specifically?

 

[westwall]

What are they lying about, specifically?

Their claim that man generated CO2 is driving the climate of the planet.

 

[Anomalism]

Their claim that man generated CO2 is driving the climate of the planet.

That’s not a lie. It's a quantified physical claim with multiple independent lines of evidence behind it. We directly measure the increase in atmospheric CO2, we directly measure its isotopic signature, showing it comes from fossil carbon, and we directly measure the infrared absorption bands of CO2 from space and from the surface. On top of that, we measure the planet’s energy imbalance: more energy coming in than going out, and the excess accumulating almost entirely in the oceans. That is exactly what greenhouse forcing predicts, down to the spectral fingerprints.

If you want to call it a lie, you need an alternative mechanism that explains all of those observations at once, rising CO2 with fossil signatures, observed radiative trapping at CO2 wavelengths, tropospheric warming with stratospheric cooling, and steadily increasing ocean heat content. “They’re fudging data” isn’t a theory, it’s just a vibe. A real scientific challenge would require a coherent model that fits the measurements better than greenhouse physics does, and nobody on the denial side has ever produced one. They just declare fraud and hope physics resigns.