Labor department wants to end farming

[bripat9643]

That's a devious proposition. In this day and age, few farms are sole-proprietorships. for tax reasons, they are all incorporated, even the so-called "family owned farms." So, are those farms covered by the new regulations or not? I think you'll find they are.

Only if he actually looks.

I think BRIT and Quant need to research before they ASSume things...

Family Farms

Family Farms Overview

The vast majority of farms and ranches in the United States are family owned and operated. USDA classifies family farms as “any farm organized as a sole proprietorship, partnership, or family corporation. Family farms exclude farms organized as nonfamily corporations or cooperatives, as well as farms with hired managers” (USDA, Economic Research Service 2007 Family Farm Report). Under this definition, the National Agricultural Statistics Service’s 2007 Census of Agriculture reported that family farms account for almost 96 percent of the 2,204,792 farms in the United States.

So, this wouldn't apply to 96% of the farms in the country.

You're assuming the law uses the same definition of "family farm" as the USDA.

Bad assumption.

 

[bripat9643]

Why in the world would the rw be against better safety condition for children?

Making automobiles illegal would save 50,000 highway deaths a year.

Do you support legislation to make driving illegal?

 

[ogibillm]

Only if he actually looks.

I think BRIT and Quant need to research before they ASSume things...

Family Farms

Family Farms Overview

The vast majority of farms and ranches in the United States are family owned and operated. USDA classifies family farms as “any farm organized as a sole proprietorship, partnership, or family corporation. Family farms exclude farms organized as nonfamily corporations or cooperatives, as well as farms with hired managers” (USDA, Economic Research Service 2007 Family Farm Report). Under this definition, the National Agricultural Statistics Service’s 2007 Census of Agriculture reported that family farms account for almost 96 percent of the 2,204,792 farms in the United States.

So, this wouldn't apply to 96% of the farms in the country.

You're assuming the law uses the same definition of "family farm" as the USDA.

Bad assumption.

so... the dol says that it wouldn't apply to llcs run by a kid's parents

 

[mudwhistle]

I dont care if kids under 16 run powered equipment. Farm kids have done that forever, now the nanny state tells them what they can do. I'll trust the parents care more about their kids safety than the governemt. In other words it's not about safety, it's a power grab, kinda like how liberals want to call child services on people who spank their kids. None of your business.

As the law clearly states, none of this applies to people working on their parent's farm. So your claims about parent's "caring more about their kids than the government" is entirely irrelevant to this discussion.

Around here if the kid is 12 and driving a combine for the first time he's considered a late-bloomer.

This is starting to get out of hand dammit.

Just one more example of the government trying to stick their noses in our business.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I don't see anything about "outlawing kids working on farms" in there.

I see changing of the regulations about what jobs they're allowed to do - which I see no problem with, since those laws hadn't been updated since 1970.


At least you're not claiming that they're stopping kids from doing their chores, like some of the other threads on this did.

Ok, what needed changing? Did we really have a bunch of farm kids dying?

Just from eating the shit your masters allow you to buy at the store.

as compared to the shit your masters allow you to buy.....right Gordo?....

 

[Duped]

More fundamental change to destroy the family, and the country by destroying our economy - otherwise he can't have his socialism!

 

[geauxtohell]

I grew up on a farm, a real farm. Not a pretend farm that some people have so they have a place to get away from the wife on Sunday.

When I was nine, I learned how to drive a tractor and hay rack and from that point on, I did about everything that you could imagine: from chopping silage to working on augers in silos.

I understand what they wanted to accomplish with this legislation, but it was a bad idea and I am glad they wisely dropped it.

 

[geauxtohell]

For those that missed it:

Dept. Of Labor Withdraws Youth Farm Labor Rules

 

[Clementine]

I don't see anything about "outlawing kids working on farms" in there.

I see changing of the regulations about what jobs they're allowed to do - which I see no problem with, since those laws hadn't been updated since 1970.


At least you're not claiming that they're stopping kids from doing their chores, like some of the other threads on this did.

The new rules will change things, and not for the better. You must not know how much teens are able to do on a farm. Some of the things on the banned list were indeed chores.

For decades, families have run their own farms. Parents teach their children how to become farmers and they put in long days. The children grow up with a good work ethic. The parents, who care more about their children than any government bureaucrat, decided what chores their kids were able to perform. Now that government is making new rules, those teens won't be able to do some things that they are good at. Perhaps government bureaucrats who never set foot on a farm and know nothing about family businesses never joined 4-H or FFA and have no idea what a wonderful experience it is. They now think their course is superior to years of hands on training.

Now families will be forced to hire cheap labor since their able teens have been told certain things are off limits. Many families cannot afford extra help and if they can't rely on their teens, then what will they do? Some are barely making it, so making these new rules will not only take away valuable experience, but cost families more. If they can't do it on their own, they might go broke and lose everything.

Government has no clue how valuable families are when running a family farm.

Things have been working fine for years and now government decided to interfere. It could easily be considered an attack on farms because they are fixing something that isn't broke.

 

[Douger]

I don't see anything about "outlawing kids working on farms" in there.

I see changing of the regulations about what jobs they're allowed to do - which I see no problem with, since those laws hadn't been updated since 1970.


At least you're not claiming that they're stopping kids from doing their chores, like some of the other threads on this did.

Ok, what needed changing? Did we really have a bunch of farm kids dying?

Yes, actually a lot of kids working farms do die or are horribly mutilated by very unforgiving machinery. A kid can't cut a pizza at the local pizza shop or work the oven until he/she is 18 for safety reasons. Letting kids under 18 work on farms close to certain machinery is not a smart idea. Kids do stupid shit all the time, without thinking. It's not that they are dumb, but they are scatter brained. They don't always think about the possible consequences.

That's why they often join the military and get their hands on bigazz guns ! (before they're old enough to buy a nice bottle of Scotch)
It's uh murkin thang...... I wouldn't understand.

 

[SniperFire]

FLIP FLOP!

'Under pressure from farming advocates in rural communities, and following a report by The Daily Caller, the Obama administration withdrew a proposed rule Thursday that would have applied child labor laws to family farms.'

Children | Farm Labor | Regulations | Withdrawal | The Daily Caller

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ok, what needed changing? Did we really have a bunch of farm kids dying?

Yes, actually a lot of kids working farms do die or are horribly mutilated by very unforgiving machinery. A kid can't cut a pizza at the local pizza shop or work the oven until he/she is 18 for safety reasons. Letting kids under 18 work on farms close to certain machinery is not a smart idea. Kids do stupid shit all the time, without thinking. It's not that they are dumb, but they are scatter brained. They don't always think about the possible consequences.

That's why they often join the military and get their hands on bigazz guns ! (before they're old enough to buy a nice bottle of Scotch)
It's uh murkin thang...... I wouldn't understand.

thats because your a dipshit.....in other words to stupid to cope with life in a first world country....

 

[Katzndogz]

FLIP FLOP!

'Under pressure from farming advocates in rural communities, and following a report by The Daily Caller, the Obama administration withdrew a proposed rule Thursday that would have applied child labor laws to family farms.'

Children | Farm Labor | Regulations | Withdrawal | The Daily Caller

If he's reelected he'll have more flexibility to impose what laws he wants.

 

[Conservative]

FLIP FLOP!

'Under pressure from farming advocates in rural communities, and following a report by The Daily Caller, the Obama administration withdrew a proposed rule Thursday that would have applied child labor laws to family farms.'

Children | Farm Labor | Regulations | Withdrawal | The Daily Caller

If he's reelected he'll have more flexibility to impose what laws he wants.

Why would re-election allow Obama to impose laws, when he cannot do it now?

 

[geauxtohell]

FLIP FLOP!

'Under pressure from farming advocates in rural communities, and following a report by The Daily Caller, the Obama administration withdrew a proposed rule Thursday that would have applied child labor laws to family farms.'

Children | Farm Labor | Regulations | Withdrawal | The Daily Caller

You mean "responsive government"?

Oh wait, I forgot. You are a dumbass .

 

[Quantum Windbag]

FLIP FLOP!

'Under pressure from farming advocates in rural communities, and following a report by The Daily Caller, the Obama administration withdrew a proposed rule Thursday that would have applied child labor laws to family farms.'

Children | Farm Labor | Regulations | Withdrawal | The Daily Caller

You mean "responsive government"?

Oh wait, I forgot. You are a dumbass .

Responsive to whom? The farmers and the multitude of representatives, including Democrats, who all argued this was a bad idea for the last few months, or Obama calling Solis and telling her to put this away until after the election because the last thing he needs right now is another fight against traditional American values right before reelection?

That is not the question of a dumbass,m it is the question of a cynic.

 

[geauxtohell]

FLIP FLOP!

'Under pressure from farming advocates in rural communities, and following a report by The Daily Caller, the Obama administration withdrew a proposed rule Thursday that would have applied child labor laws to family farms.'

Children | Farm Labor | Regulations | Withdrawal | The Daily Caller

You mean "responsive government"?

Oh wait, I forgot. You are a dumbass .

Responsive to whom? The farmers and the multitude of representatives, including Democrats, who all argued this was a bad idea for the last few months, or Obama calling Solis and telling her to put this away until after the election because the last thing he needs right now is another fight against traditional American values right before reelection?

That is not the question of a dumbass,m it is the question of a cynic.

To me it seems more like "how can we keep whining about Obama when we get what we want".

In reality, conservative were hoping that this bad policy went through so they could score points.

Where is the valor in that?

 

[Lakhota]

Valor is no longer part of Republican platform.

 

[gallantwarrior]

funny the right has no problem with amf or Monsanto which are real threats to the farm supply


this is simply the new issue of distraction the little righties are floating out there to scare people...

I'm what you might consider a "rightie" and I have some very serious hearburn with AMF and Monsanto, among other big agri-business players. Legislation like this aberration to prohibit farmers from raising and training the next generation of farmers is driven by the fact that big ag has its claws firmly dug into government in this country. Not to mention their drive to eliminate everything grown that they have not patented. But that's another discussion.

 

[geauxtohell]

I wonder which corporate farm shill working in the DOL wrote this legislation.