LA moves closer to allowing noncitizen voting, sparking election mayhem concerns

[Toddsterpatriot]

You changed it from "non citizens" to "illegal aliens".

They are not the same thing.

WW

Is the proposal to let aliens with work visas or green cards vote, or every non citizen?

 

[marvin martian]

Is the proposal to let aliens with work visas or green cards vote, or every non citizen?

None of the lefties will answer that question, because we all know which one it is.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Illegals and dead people have been voting for years. Its how Democats get elected.

Conservatives have been doing NOTHING ABOUT IT FOR DECADES. It's how Democrats get elected.

There, fixed it for ya
All that is required for evil men to prevail is for good men to do nothing. (happens every time)

Easy now...I side with Conservatives, I vote with Conservatives BUT they are the most nutless, spinless, big mouth pieces of shit that ever were. Come on man...they didn’t have the balls to keep heterosexual white Christians cool in a nation founded, built, run and funded by heterosexual white Christians. The Left has owned their sackless asses for decades....Sad but true.

 

[BlindBoo]

California allows it. The council will allow the voters to decide.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

California allows it. The council will allow the voters to decide.

Actually "THE LAW" should decide it.

 

[BlindBoo]

Actually "THE LAW" should decide it.

In Ca. its the law that the citizens can decide.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Taxation without Representation.

Were Colonial Americans citizens of England? Could they vote in parliamentary election? Back to the top, again, what does that mean to you?

And now, still listening, right to the slippery slope. These residents have the right to vote in local elections, it should be legislated. And I am willing to compromise, no vote in federal level elections. But I would be pushing that to change.

How can they pay taxes without a social security number?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Is the proposal to let aliens with work visas or green cards vote, or every non citizen?

I haven't seen the language of the initiative.

I was pointing out though that you changed "non citizen" to "illegal aliens" they are not the same thing.

We have to see what the language says. It could:

• Use "non citizen" as descriptive of a population of legal and illegal persons,
• Use "non citizen" and define it as those legally present.

If the first, I would be against it. If the second then local communities should be able to allow non citizens to vote in local elections (mayor, council, school board - those types of local positions).

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

How can they pay taxes without a social security number?

Obtaining an Individual Taxpayer Indentification Number (ITIN)

Sales tax.

Property tax (either directly as the owner or through rent to a landlord)

Embedded taxes (for example state and federal fuel taxes on gasline)

WW

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Happens all over the world...

Locals vote for local stuff...

They pay for local taxes and use local services...

I know ye want to make all the world problem because there are brown people living in the country...

Here is a question...
Do you think all your problems are going to be solved if US has no immigrants?

Why not be honest and phrase your question Do you think all your problems will be solved if US has no illegal immigrants?.
Your narrative doesn’t work that well with the truth.

 

[marvin martian]

How can they pay taxes without a social security number?

They're using yours.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Just to be clear, I'm fine with local communities allowing legal non-citizen to vote in local elections if they choose. Illegal non-citizens? Not so much.

But that then introduces another can of worms in (a) keeping the voter rolls clean and (b) ensuring individuals receive restricted ballots.

But then I'm they guy that thinks the whole "voter registration" system as it stands needs to be scrapped.

The current logic is you have to get government documents from a government entity, then go to a different government entity and present the documents at this other government entity that you got from the other government entity to get a government issued ID. Then you have to take the government issued ID to another different government entity to "register" the government ID you just went though two government entities to get. Finally on election day you have to go to another government entity location (polling place) and present the government ID to a government offical to receive the ballot to vote.

You shouldn't have to "register to vote", the government already knows who the citizens are who the legal non-citizens are.

WW

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Obtaining an Individual Taxpayer Indentification Number (ITIN)

Sales tax.

Property tax (either directly as the owner or through rent to a landlord)

Embedded taxes (for example state and federal fuel taxes on gasline)

WW

What form of ID would illegals use to get an ITIN?

 

[Hollie]

Happens all over the world...

Locals vote for local stuff...

They pay for l.ocal taxes and use local services...

I know ye want to make all the world problem because there are brown people living in the country...

Here is a question...
Do you think all your problems are going to be solved if US has no immigrants?

The democrat’s importation of millions of illegals was not an issue of local taxes and local services.

This is not an issue of immigration but a matter of violation of immigration law as a means to overwhelm an existing population for an ideological agenda.

 

[BlindBoo]

What form of ID would illegals use to get an ITIN?

They're for legal residence.

 

[WorldWatcher]

What form of ID would illegals use to get an ITIN?

Again, not all non-citizens are illegal.

Used to be about 50% of illegal aliens are people that were hear legally to begin with, but overstayed their legal status. So they would still have an ITIN.

WW

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Again, not all non-citizens are illegal.

Used to be about 50% of illegal aliens are people that were hear legally to begin with, but overstayed their legal status. So they would still have an ITIN.

WW

We are told by the left illegals don’t vote because fear of being apprehended. We’re supposed to believe they’re filing taxes?

 

[StrongAF_2026]

We are told by the left illegals don’t vote because fear of being apprehended. We’re supposed to believe they’re filing taxes?

There is a reason Democrats don't want voter ID and Kamala Harris ONLY won states that did not have strict photo ID.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I haven't seen the language of the initiative.

I was pointing out though that you changed "non citizen" to "illegal aliens" they are not the same thing.

We have to see what the language says. It could:

• Use "non citizen" as descriptive of a population of legal and illegal persons,
• Use "non citizen" and define it as those legally present.

If the first, I would be against it. If the second then local communities should be able to allow non citizens to vote in local elections (mayor, council, school board - those types of local positions).

WW

I haven't seen the language of the initiative.

I was pointing out though that you changed "non citizen" to "illegal aliens" they are not the same thing.

Well, unless you see the language and it says otherwise, we both know it's about letting illegal aliens vote.

That's why I changed what Ted said to make it more accurate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Obtaining an Individual Taxpayer Indentification Number (ITIN)

Sales tax.

Property tax (either directly as the owner or through rent to a landlord)

Embedded taxes (for example state and federal fuel taxes on gasline)

WW

Obtaining an Individual Taxpayer Indentification Number (ITIN)

There are about 5 million active ITINs, currently, some held by legal aliens, and at least 30 million illegal aliens.