Krugman: GOP Austerity Causing Unemployment

[LibocalypseNow]

**** YOU FUTURE GENERATIONS!!!...Pretty much the Socialist/Progressive answer. I really do hope most people don't think the people who caused this awful mess are going to be the people to clean it up? Because that just ain't gonna happen. Krugman and his bunch don't have the answers. True Constitutional Conservatism is the only logical answer for our Nation. So join the Revolution.

 

[Toro]

No, that was just one of many examples of the shell games being played with budgets. "Give us more money or we'll put the children out on the streets with the crackheads and no police and fire protection!".

State and local government spending has been declining. That has been shown from data compiled by the St Louis Fed. Hundreds of thousands of state and local employees have been laid off. Whether or not shell games are being played does not obviate this.

Unless you can show otherwise.

Too damn bad.

We've had gross overemployment in the bureaucratic sector for far too long.

Am I supposed to feel sorry for the tick when it gets pulled off of my neck?

Which is relevant to the discussion how?

 

[Toro]

No, that was just one of many examples of the shell games being played with budgets. "Give us more money or we'll put the children out on the streets with the crackheads and no police and fire protection!".

State and local government spending has been declining. That has been shown from data compiled by the St Louis Fed. Hundreds of thousands of state and local employees have been laid off. Whether or not shell games are being played does not obviate this.

Unless you can show otherwise.

Ya--think? What did you expect??-- that unemployment in this country--should only be happening in the private sector?

The 868 billion dollar stimulus bill that was promised to create millions of private sector jobs--turned into saving government workers jobs. It temporarily worked for a time--but now that money has run out--and YES those government workers jobs that were saved by borrowed and spent taxpayer dollars are now getting their pink slips.

You aren't suggesting that we borrow more from China to keep government workers employed are you?

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Focus!

Before you go off all half-cocked, ranting and raving and everything, perhaps you can show us where I have a normative statement here about the proper level of government employees.

Now, if you want to be Mr. Angry Conservative, fine. I might even agree with you. But this discussion is about whether or not state and local government spending has declined. If you have something substantive to offer on whether or not state and local government has declined, I would love to hear it.

 

[Oddball]

State and local government spending has been declining. That has been shown from data compiled by the St Louis Fed. Hundreds of thousands of state and local employees have been laid off. Whether or not shell games are being played does not obviate this.

Unless you can show otherwise.

Too damn bad.

We've had gross overemployment in the bureaucratic sector for far too long.

Am I supposed to feel sorry for the tick when it gets pulled off of my neck?

Which is relevant to the discussion how?

It's relevant in that the parasites are screeching about how being removed from the host will be to its detriment.

Let the pink bastards starve.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

State and local government spending has been declining. That has been shown from data compiled by the St Louis Fed. Hundreds of thousands of state and local employees have been laid off. Whether or not shell games are being played does not obviate this.

Unless you can show otherwise.

Too damn bad.

We've had gross overemployment in the bureaucratic sector for far too long.

Am I supposed to feel sorry for the tick when it gets pulled off of my neck?

Which is relevant to the discussion how?

Uhm, perhaps you should go find a "Rick Perry is Stupid" thread....

 

[Toro]

too damn bad.

We've had gross overemployment in the bureaucratic sector for far too long.

Am i supposed to feel sorry for the tick when it gets pulled off of my neck?

which is relevant to the discussion how?

it's relevant in that the parasites are screeching about how being removed from the host will be to its detriment.

Let the pink bastards starve.

ooooooooooobaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Toro]

Too damn bad.

We've had gross overemployment in the bureaucratic sector for far too long.

Am I supposed to feel sorry for the tick when it gets pulled off of my neck?

Which is relevant to the discussion how?

Uhm, perhaps you should go find a "Rick Perry is Stupid" thread....

Hey, I'm not sure who is being more diversionary here?

Is it:

Oreo?
Oddball?
Soggy in NOLA?

It's tough to tell when all three are being knee-jerk reactionary ideologues.

"In today's news, President Obama said the sun rose in the east."

"Libs are liars! You can't believe anything they say!"
"I hate the sun! It causes cancer!"
"There are many liberal states are in the east!"



Outstanding.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Which is relevant to the discussion how?

Uhm, perhaps you should go find a "Rick Perry is Stupid" thread....

Hey, I'm not sure who is being more diversionary here?

Is it:

Oreo?
Oddball?
Soggy in NOLA?

It's tough to tell when all three are being knee-jerk reactionary ideologues.

"In today's news, President Obama said the sun rose in the east."

"Libs are liars! You can't believe anything they say!"
"I hate the sun! It causes cancer!"
"There are many liberal states are in the east!"



Outstanding.

Considering Krugman thinks space aliens need to come save us and thinks we haven't spent enough money, I think I am giving this all the serious consideration it deserves.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

"**** YOU FUTURE GENERATIONS I WANTS MINE NOW!!!!"...That's the Socialist/Progressive mentality. It's a very selfish and sad mentality.

 

[Big Fitz]

which is relevant to the discussion how?

it's relevant in that the parasites are screeching about how being removed from the host will be to its detriment.

Let the pink bastards starve.

ooooooooooobaaaaaaaaaaamaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know... the worst parasites are the ones who don't think they ARE parasites and deny the nature of their very existence.

 

[Big Fitz]

Which is relevant to the discussion how?

Uhm, perhaps you should go find a "Rick Perry is Stupid" thread....

Hey, I'm not sure who is being more diversionary here?

Is it:

Oreo?
Oddball?
Soggy in NOLA?

It's tough to tell when all three are being knee-jerk reactionary ideologues.

"In today's news, President Obama said the sun rose in the east."

"Libs are liars! You can't believe anything they say!"
"I hate the sun! It causes cancer!"
"There are many liberal states are in the east!"



Outstanding.

May I suggest upping your medication? You've become quite hysterical.

 

[Toro]

Uhm, perhaps you should go find a "Rick Perry is Stupid" thread....

Hey, I'm not sure who is being more diversionary here?

Is it:

Oreo?
Oddball?
Soggy in NOLA?

It's tough to tell when all three are being knee-jerk reactionary ideologues.

"In today's news, President Obama said the sun rose in the east."

"Libs are liars! You can't believe anything they say!"
"I hate the sun! It causes cancer!"
"There are many liberal states are in the east!"



Outstanding.

May I suggest upping your medication? You've become quite hysterical.

It's not me being hysterical. I am merely making a point about fact - whether or not government spending has fallen - and have presented no opinion on whether it is good or bad.

Then these three come in with "I hate government workers! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em!" Or at least two of them did. Soggy just made some inane and irrelevant comment.

It's funny. Conservatives are no different than liberals. Ideologues are ideologues. They engage in massive confirmation bias or ad hominem attacks when you question their shibboleths. They all act the same.

 

[Big Fitz]

Hey, I'm not sure who is being more diversionary here?

Is it:

Oreo?
Oddball?
Soggy in NOLA?

It's tough to tell when all three are being knee-jerk reactionary ideologues.

"In today's news, President Obama said the sun rose in the east."

"Libs are liars! You can't believe anything they say!"
"I hate the sun! It causes cancer!"
"There are many liberal states are in the east!"



Outstanding.

May I suggest upping your medication? You've become quite hysterical.

It's not me being hysterical. I am merely making a point about fact - whether or not government spending has fallen - and have presented no opinion on whether it is good or bad.

Then these three come in with "I hate government workers! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em!" Or at least two of them did. Soggy just made some inane and irrelevant comment.

It's funny. Conservatives are no different than liberals. Ideologues are ideologues. They engage in massive confirmation bias or ad hominem attacks when you question their shibboleths. They all act the same.

It's funny. Conservatives are no different than liberals. Ideologues are ideologues. They all act the same.

Does that mean you do not consider yourself a partisan ideologue and demagogue?

 

[Toro]

Does that mean you do not consider yourself a partisan ideologue and demagogue?

I have my own biases. We all do. But ideology puts you into a box, and forces you to frame the world through a distorted lens, which skews the facts of the world around you. It doesn't matter the ideology. I generally agree with the right more than the left. But it is not "leftist" to point out a basis in fact if the right is wrong about the fact. It is, in fact, beyond ******* stupid to not recognize fact. If you can refute what I have argued about a point in fact, please post it, and I will be more than happy to change my mind and agree with you. I used to be a diehard libertarian ideologue, reading nothing but a diet of Ayn Rand, Ludwig von Mises, etc. But I took a job which forced me to look at the world as it was, not as I wanted it to be. Strident ideologues get carried out on their backs in my business. Doesn't mean I'm always right, far from it. But since I'm good at what I do, I can say with a high degree of confidence that there is no bigger trap than having preconceived notions and looking only at facts that confirm those notions while dismissing all those which do not.

 

[Big Fitz]

Does that mean you do not consider yourself a partisan ideologue and demagogue?

I have my own biases. We all do. But ideology puts you into a box, and forces you to frame the world through a distorted lens, which skews the facts of the world around you. It doesn't matter the ideology. I generally agree with the right more than the left. But it is not "leftist" to point out a basis in fact if the right is wrong about the fact. It is, in fact, beyond ******* stupid to not recognize fact. If you can refute what I have argued about a point in fact, please post it, and I will be more than happy to change my mind and agree with you. I used to be a diehard libertarian ideologue, reading nothing but a diet of Ayn Rand, Ludwig von Mises, etc. But I took a job which forced me to look at the world as it was, not as I wanted it to be. Strident ideologues get carried out on their backs in my business. Doesn't mean I'm always right, far from it. But since I'm good at what I do, I can say with a high degree of confidence that there is no bigger trap than having preconceived notions and looking only at facts that confirm those notions while dismissing all those which do not.

I used to be a diehard libertarian ideologue, reading nothing but a diet of Ayn Rand, Ludwig von Mises, etc. But I took a job which forced me to look at the world as it was, not as I wanted it to be. Strident ideologues get carried out on their backs in my business. Doesn't mean I'm always right, far from it. But since I'm good at what I do, I can say with a high degree of confidence that there is no bigger trap than having preconceived notions and looking only at facts that confirm those notions while dismissing all those which do not.

Converts are often the strongest zealots and most strident of enemies to their former religions and philosophies, often blinding them far worse than those who never left their pre-conceptions.

 

[Oddball]

It's not me being hysterical. I am merely making a point about fact - whether or not government spending has fallen - and have presented no opinion on whether it is good or bad.

Then these three come in with "I hate government workers! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em! Hate 'em!" Or at least two of them did. Soggy just made some inane and irrelevant comment.

It's funny. Conservatives are no different than liberals. Ideologues are ideologues. They engage in massive confirmation bias or ad hominem attacks when you question their shibboleths. They all act the same.

One does not have to hate a leech to pour salt on it and keep it from sucking out anymore of your blood.

As for sticking to the topic:

1) The claim that "austerity" is the economic order of the day when the feds are spending in excess of $3.5 trillion and the states are balancing their budgets by making mere single-digit spending reductions (if any at all) is patently laughable.

2) True as it may be that there will be a slight uptick in unemployment numbers amongst the bureaucratic moocher class, the relief of their burdens upon the rest of us who've been paying the taxes to support them should have an effect on their disposable incomes, which could probably end up spurring the kind of economic growth it takes for those people to get real jobs out in The World.

3) In the meantime, I refuse to listen to the pity party being thrown by ferret face Krugman and his ilk, bemoaning the plight of the poooor poooor bureaucrat.

 

[Ravi]

I heard today that the war in Iraq has cost, so far, around 3 trillion dollars.

Where were all these libertarians during the Bush administration.

Oh, right. Silent.

 

[Big Fitz]

I heard today that the war in Iraq has cost, so far, around 3 trillion dollars.

Where were all these libertarians during the Bush administration.

Oh, right. Silent.

I see you're editing history in your head again and call Bullshit on you.

The libertarians like Ron Paul were screaming that it was a waste of money. I know I was fully in support of the military operations, and even for helping a new government be secure enough to hold their first free election. That was accomplished what? 2006? We should have been getting out then instead of acting as their military.

The benefit has been that terrorists have been flocking to those battlegrounds and getting slaughtered by the dozens and gross. But it's time to let all those nations solve their own problems without our protection. Destroying Sodamn Insane and the Taliban and Al Quaeda are aggregate goods.

Do you think just transferring the spending from the military to parasitical social spending is going to fix a single problem with spending we have?

Not ******* hardly.

 

[Toro]

Converts are often the strongest zealots and most strident of enemies to their former religions and philosophies, often blinding them far worse than those who never left their pre-conceptions.

I agree completely. And to be fair, I'm probably harder on the right than the left because that's where I came from. But I still generally agree with the libertarians more so than the statists. I just don't believe that the libertarians are always right and the collectivists always wrong.

 

[Big Fitz]

Nor do I. I just think collectivists are wrong over 80% of the time while the rest is split 50/30 libertarian to conservative.