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I generally sit with bowed head. For me, prayer is more cerebral. I'm attempting to connect my conscience to the conscience of Christ via the Holy Spirit who surrounds us. Physical gestures (for me) don't aid me in that attempt. I'm mentally and spiritually speaking with my Creator in a sincere and heart-felt manner. Raising my hands or not raising my hands is of no consequence. I have nothing against others who choose to lift their hands and I actually believe there is biblical precedence for doing so but I don't believe it's mandatory.
 
Hafar1014 said:
Groveling before God makes him ashamed of you.
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"Groveling" and worshipping are two, different things. God deserves to be worshipped. And God expects us to communicate with Him, spiritually.
 
SaxonJackson said:
"Groveling" and worshipping are two, different things. God deserves to be worshipped. And God expects us to communicate with Him, spiritually.
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By bowing and scraping like a slave. Thats not the message of Genesis which is free will self determination and moral values. God doesnt want humans to act like ants or bees.
 
Hafar1014 said:
By bowing and scraping like a slave. Thats not the message of Genesis which is free will self determination and moral values. God doesnt want humans to act like ants or bees.
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Proverbs 6:6-8, "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest."

You have little wisdom. Have you ever seen how ants and bees work in concert for the betterment of the colony or hive? They're some of the most industrious and successful creatures on earth.
 
SaxonJackson said:
Proverbs 6:6-8, "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest."

You have little wisdom. Have you ever seen how ants and bees work in concert for the betterment of the colony or hive? They're some of the most industrious and successful creatures on earth.
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Thats the NT who cares. Ants have no free will or moral values.
 
SaxonJackson said:
Proverbs 6:6-8, "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest."

You have little wisdom. Have you ever seen how ants and bees work in concert for the betterment of the colony or hive? They're some of the most industrious and successful creatures on earth.
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So you lack any sense of individuality. When has an ant written a book, a poem, created free society, had an independent thought. You have no wisdom. The whole point of life is life with meaning that you define.
In the pursuit of meaning, Frankl recommends three different kinds of experience: through deeds, the experience of values through some kind of medium (beauty through art, love through a relationship, etc.) or suffering. While the third is not necessarily in the absence of the first two, within Frankl’s frame of thought, suffering became an option through which to find meaning and experience values in life in the absence of the other two opportunities (Frankl 1992, p. 118).

Frankl famously stated that: “Happiness must happen, and the same holds for success: you have to let it happen by not caring about it.” Though for Frankl, joy could never be an end to itself, it was an important byproduct of finding meaning in life. He points to studies where there is marked difference in life spans between “trained, tasked animals,” i.e., animals with a purpose, than “taskless, jobless animals.” And yet it is not enough simply to have something to do, rather what counts is the “manner in which one does the work” (Frankl 1986, p. 125)

Meaning​

Only when the emotions work in terms of values can the individual feel pure joy (Frankl 1986, p. 40).
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In the pursuit of meaning, Frankl recommends three different kinds of experience: through deeds, the experience of values through some kind of medium (beauty through art, love through a relationship, etc.) or suffering. While the third is not necessarily in the absence of the first two, within Frankl’s frame of thought, suffering became an option through which to find meaning and experience values in life in the absence of the other two opportunities (Frankl 1992, p. 118).

Though for Frankl, joy could never be an end to itself, it was an important byproduct of finding meaning in life. He points to studies where there is marked difference in life spans between “trained, tasked animals,” i.e., animals with a purpose, than “taskless, jobless animals.” And yet it is not enough simply to have something to do, rather what counts is the “manner in which one does the work” (Frankl 1986, p. 125)
Viktor Frankl
 
Hafar1014 said:
By bowing and scraping like a slave. Thats not the message of Genesis which is free will self determination and moral values. God doesnt want humans to act like ants or bees.
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Apparently either you don't know your own religion or it's not really your religion.

"...It might seem overly materialistic, to the point of being distasteful, to speak of God as owner and the Israelites as slaves. This is probably why most English-language versions of the Bible translate the word in the verses cited above as servants and not slaves. Yet the word used, avadim, is the very same word used to describe what the Israelites were to Pharaoh. Furthermore, the idea that Jews belong to God, as slaves belongs to masters, has been for many generations not only respectable but also desirable. The Hebrew name Ovadiah means slave of God, as does the Arabic name Abdallah. Not only that, but Jews refer in prayer to God as their master: Adonai...."

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What is a Slave? - Jewish Theological Seminary

We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt. This is the story at the heart of the Passover Haggadah. Some editions of the Haggadah suggest a song that begins with We were slaves and goes on to say: Now we are free people. However, this song is somewhat misleading. We are not completely free people. The...
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ding said:
Apparently either you don't know your own religion or it's not really your religion.

"...It might seem overly materialistic, to the point of being distasteful, to speak of God as owner and the Israelites as slaves. This is probably why most English-language versions of the Bible translate the word in the verses cited above as servants and not slaves. Yet the word used, avadim, is the very same word used to describe what the Israelites were to Pharaoh. Furthermore, the idea that Jews belong to God, as slaves belongs to masters, has been for many generations not only respectable but also desirable. The Hebrew name Ovadiah means slave of God, as does the Arabic name Abdallah. Not only that, but Jews refer in prayer to God as their master: Adonai...."

www.jtsa.edu

What is a Slave? - Jewish Theological Seminary

We were slaves of Pharaoh in Egypt. This is the story at the heart of the Passover Haggadah. Some editions of the Haggadah suggest a song that begins with We were slaves and goes on to say: Now we are free people. However, this song is somewhat misleading. We are not completely free people. The...
www.jtsa.edu www.jtsa.edu
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The god of the Jews is far more advanced and civilized then the idol of Jesus. These are concepts of God none of jus know what God really is. Those concepts reflect the moral values of the believers. A god who uses threats to compel obedience as the Christian god does is quite primitive. It also shows a lack of understanding of human nature. Humans respond to positive reinforcement encouragement and support. Threats lead to violence and conflict
 
Hafar1014 said:
The god of the Jews is far more advanced and civilized then the idol of Jesus. These are concepts of God none of jus know what God really is. Those concepts reflect the moral values of the believers. A god who uses threats to compel obedience as the Christian god does is quite primitive. It also shows a lack of understanding of human nature. Humans respond to positive reinforcement encouragement and support. Threats lead to violence and conflict
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In Jewish theology, the concept that Jews are "slaves of God" (or, more commonly, servants of God) is a central idea derived from the Torah, which is fundamentally linked to their liberation from human bondage in ancient Egypt.

The Meaning of "Servant of God"
  • Liberation from Human Slavery: The Hebrew Bible explicitly states that because God freed the Israelites from slavery in Egypt, they belong to God and may not be permanent slaves to other human beings. The experience of the Exodus from Egypt is a foundational element of Jewish consciousness, used to emphasize the importance of freedom and just treatment for all people.
  • Exclusive Allegiance: The idea that "they are My servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt," means that Jews are entitled to be free from human masters and owe their primary allegiance and service exclusively to God. This relationship is one of covenant and commitment, not cruel oppression.
  • Responsibility and Obedience: The term in Hebrew, eved, can mean "slave," "servant," "worker," or "worshipper," depending on the context. In the context of the relationship with God, it implies absolute obedience to God's commandments (mitzvot) and recognition of divine will and dominion.
  • A Positive Analogy: Many Jewish thinkers view the "master-servant" relationship with God as a positive analogy, which exists alongside others like the "parent-child" or "king-subject" relationships. It emphasizes humility, gratitude for creation, and following God's reliable and benevolent commands with thought and discernment, rather than the dehumanizing chattel slavery of the American South or the ancient world.
  • Human Dignity: The concept reinforces human dignity and equality, as all Israelites are equally servants of God and therefore equal to one another. Jewish law requires fair treatment and justice, reminding people of their own history as an oppressed people to prevent them from oppressing others.
In essence, being a "servant of God" in Judaism is an expression of freedom from all other human or earthly powers and a commitment to a higher moral and ethical calling.
 
ding said:
In Jewish theology, the concept that Jews are "slaves of God" (or, more commonly, servants of God) is a central idea derived from the Torah, which is fundamentally linked to their liberation from human bondage in ancient Egypt.

The Meaning of "Servant of God"
  • Liberation from Human Slavery: The Hebrew Bible explicitly states that because God freed the Israelites from slavery in Egypt, they belong to God and may not be permanent slaves to other human beings. The experience of the Exodus from Egypt is a foundational element of Jewish consciousness, used to emphasize the importance of freedom and just treatment for all people.
  • Exclusive Allegiance: The idea that "they are My servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt," means that Jews are entitled to be free from human masters and owe their primary allegiance and service exclusively to God. This relationship is one of covenant and commitment, not cruel oppression.
  • Responsibility and Obedience: The term in Hebrew, eved, can mean "slave," "servant," "worker," or "worshipper," depending on the context. In the context of the relationship with God, it implies absolute obedience to God's commandments (mitzvot) and recognition of divine will and dominion.
  • A Positive Analogy: Many Jewish thinkers view the "master-servant" relationship with God as a positive analogy, which exists alongside others like the "parent-child" or "king-subject" relationships. It emphasizes humility, gratitude for creation, and following God's reliable and benevolent commands with thought and discernment, rather than the dehumanizing chattel slavery of the American South or the ancient world.
  • Human Dignity: The concept reinforces human dignity and equality, as all Israelites are equally servants of God and therefore equal to one another. Jewish law requires fair treatment and justice, reminding people of their own history as an oppressed people to prevent them from oppressing others.
In essence, being a "servant of God" in Judaism is an expression of freedom from all other human or earthly powers and a commitment to a higher moral and ethical calling.
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Servant means slave
 
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Hafar1014 said:
The god of the Jews is far more advanced and civilized then the idol of Jesus. These are concepts of God none of jus know what God really is. Those concepts reflect the moral values of the believers. A god who uses threats to compel obedience as the Christian god does is quite primitive. It also shows a lack of understanding of human nature. Humans respond to positive reinforcement encouragement and support. Threats lead to violence and conflict
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In a theological sense, Christians are often described in the Bible as "slaves of God" or "slaves of Christ". This terminology uses the Greek word doulos, which literally means "slave" or "bondservant," and is used by biblical authors like the Apostle Paul to define the Christian's relationship with God.
Key aspects of this concept include:
  • A contrast of masters: The New Testament teaches that every person is a "slave" to something. Before conversion, people are considered "slaves of sin," which leads to death. Through faith in Christ, they are freed from sin's control and become "slaves of righteousness" or God, leading to eternal life. The choice is between serving a destructive master (sin/evil) or a benevolent one (God).
  • Total devotion and obedience: The term implies total loyalty and obedience to God's will. It signifies that a Christian is "bought with a price" (the blood of Jesus) and is therefore no longer their own, but belongs entirely to God.
  • Paradoxical freedom: This "slavery" to God is presented as a positive, liberating state, not the oppressive human form of slavery. Being completely obedient to God is described as the surest way to experience true spiritual freedom and the best possible life.
  • A term of honor: The apostles Paul, James, Peter, and Jude all referred to themselves as slaves/bondservants of God or Christ. In some historical Christian traditions, names like "Abdullah" (servant/slave of God) have been used as honorable monastic titles.
In summary, the term "slave of God" is a significant biblical metaphor to express a Christian's new identity of joyful, complete service and devotion to a loving master, as opposed to a prior bondage to sin.
 
ding said:
In a theological sense, Christians are often described in the Bible as "slaves of God" or "slaves of Christ". This terminology uses the Greek word doulos, which literally means "slave" or "bondservant," and is used by biblical authors like the Apostle Paul to define the Christian's relationship with God.
Key aspects of this concept include:
  • A contrast of masters: The New Testament teaches that every person is a "slave" to something. Before conversion, people are considered "slaves of sin," which leads to death. Through faith in Christ, they are freed from sin's control and become "slaves of righteousness" or God, leading to eternal life. The choice is between serving a destructive master (sin/evil) or a benevolent one (God).
  • Total devotion and obedience: The term implies total loyalty and obedience to God's will. It signifies that a Christian is "bought with a price" (the blood of Jesus) and is therefore no longer their own, but belongs entirely to God.
  • Paradoxical freedom: This "slavery" to God is presented as a positive, liberating state, not the oppressive human form of slavery. Being completely obedient to God is described as the surest way to experience true spiritual freedom and the best possible life.
  • A term of honor: The apostles Paul, James, Peter, and Jude all referred to themselves as slaves/bondservants of God or Christ. In some historical Christian traditions, names like "Abdullah" (servant/slave of God) have been used as honorable monastic titles.
In summary, the term "slave of God" is a significant biblical metaphor to express a Christian's new identity of joyful, complete service and devotion to a loving master, as opposed to a prior bondage to sin.
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Slavery has real meaning mindless obedience. Thats against human nature
 
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