Kill the Dept of Ed because it is unconstitutional, or because it is an abject failure?

[DGS49]

Close Department of Education? Former schools chief Betsy DeVos makes the case. | Opinion

Former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos says Donald Trump should follow through on his plan to close the Department of Education.

www.usatoday.com

The linked article takes the former approach, while I personally like the viewpoint that the Department - its very existence - is unconstitutional, as Education is not among the powers enumerated in Article I for Congress.

What do yinz think?

 

[pknopp]

I think that it will still be there in 4 years.

 

[JGalt]

Close Department of Education? Former schools chief Betsy DeVos makes the case. | Opinion

Former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos says Donald Trump should follow through on his plan to close the Department of Education.

www.usatoday.com

The linked article takes the former approach, while I personally like the viewpoint that the Department - its very existence - is unconstitutional, as Education is not among the powers enumerated in Article I for Congress.

What do yinz think?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Close Department of Education? Former schools chief Betsy DeVos makes the case. | Opinion

Former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos says Donald Trump should follow through on his plan to close the Department of Education.

www.usatoday.com

The linked article takes the former approach, while I personally like the viewpoint that the Department - its very existence - is unconstitutional, as Education is not among the powers enumerated in Article I for Congress.

What do yinz think?

Why not both?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Close Department of Education? Former schools chief Betsy DeVos makes the case. | Opinion

Former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos says Donald Trump should follow through on his plan to close the Department of Education.

www.usatoday.com

The linked article takes the former approach, while I personally like the viewpoint that the Department - its very existence - is unconstitutional, as Education is not among the powers enumerated in Article I for Congress.

What do yinz think?

Elastic clause. [/thread]

 

[Oddball]

Kill the Dept of Ed because it is unconstitutional, or because it is an abject failure?​

 

[kyzr]

Elastic clause. [/thread]

OK, kill ED because it failed, block grant money to the states with metric strings.

 

[DGS49]

I don't expect the DoE to be eliminated, but its mission could be scaled back.

The FBI plays a role in local law enforcement by providing scientific services, doing research, and helping locals to do their job better. I think the Dept of Ed could do the same sort of things. Do research on teaching methods, training materials, attention span, and things like that. Then disseminate the information to the schools that want it.

 

[Unkotare]

 

[Winco]

I don't expect the DoE to be eliminated, but its mission could be scaled back.

The Federal Department of Education should indeed be eliminated.

We don't need 4,400 Federal Employees telling the States anything.

The Department of Education is administered by the United States secretary of education. It has 4,400 employees – the smallest staff of the Cabinet agencies[5]
It should only take a few employees to send the appropriate funds to EACH State. Saving this >>>>>. and a 2024 budget of $238 billion.[6]

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

I don't expect the DoE to be eliminated, but its mission could be scaled back.

The FBI plays a role in local law enforcement by providing scientific services, doing research, and helping locals to do their job better. I think the Dept of Ed could do the same sort of things. Do research on teaching methods, training materials, attention span, and things like that. Then disseminate the information to the schools that want it.

You dont need a central organization to make Americans stupid like the Dept of Uneducation, because of the weaponization of it against its citizens. Let the power of the states dictate how kids will be educated, and if the citizens dont like how the kids are educated, then the parents can go to a state that will provide the education the kids need.

 

[marvin martian]

Close Department of Education? Former schools chief Betsy DeVos makes the case. | Opinion

Former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos says Donald Trump should follow through on his plan to close the Department of Education.

www.usatoday.com

The linked article takes the former approach, while I personally like the viewpoint that the Department - its very existence - is unconstitutional, as Education is not among the powers enumerated in Article I for Congress.

What do yinz think?

Both.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Before the Dept of Education the US was #1 in the world. Now we're like #35. And going down from there.

 

[Foxfyre]

Close Department of Education? Former schools chief Betsy DeVos makes the case. | Opinion

Former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos says Donald Trump should follow through on his plan to close the Department of Education.

www.usatoday.com

The linked article takes the former approach, while I personally like the viewpoint that the Department - its very existence - is unconstitutional, as Education is not among the powers enumerated in Article I for Congress.

What do yinz think?

I can see a small Dept. of Education for the purpose of providing useful services to the people.

It would gather and compile entrance requirements of all colleges and universities in the country and make these available to school counselors or whoever would advise students on what courses they needed to take for this or that college or professional discipline.

It could rate all the colleges and universities and public and private schools so that they could measure their performance against others in this and other countries and know where they needed to improve.

It could distribute uniform proficiency tests like ACT or SAT and catalogue the results.

It should NOT be involved in any way in funding, curriculum, school lunch programs, or any other regulation of colleges, universities, or public or private schools in any way other than coordinating and providing information on data collected from the schools.

I would imagine that this department would need at most 15 to 25 employees as opposed to the some 4,400 that are now in the Dept of Education.

 

[Unkotare]

I can see a small Dept. of Education for the purpose of providing useful services to the people.

It would gather and compile entrance requirements of all colleges and universities in the country and make these available to school counselors or whoever would advise students on what courses they needed to take for this or that college or professional discipline.

It could rate all the colleges and universities and public and private schools so that they could measure their performance against others in this and other countries and know where they needed to improve.

It could distribute uniform proficiency tests like ACT or SAT and catalogue the results.
...

All that happens via the free market.

 

[Foxfyre]

All that happens via the free market.

Little in government happens via the free market

 

[Unkotare]

All that happens via the free market.

^^^

 

[westwall]

Close Department of Education? Former schools chief Betsy DeVos makes the case. | Opinion

Former Education Secretary Betsy DeVos says Donald Trump should follow through on his plan to close the Department of Education.

www.usatoday.com

The linked article takes the former approach, while I personally like the viewpoint that the Department - its very existence - is unconstitutional, as Education is not among the powers enumerated in Article I for Congress.

What do yinz think?

Why can't it be both?

 

[DGS49]

Many lawyers are weighing in to say that elimination of the Dept of Ed would require a law and can't be done by the President. The chances of this happening are microscopic, given the inertia of Federal operations. Furthermore, the President "just not spending the money" - often called "sequestration," is constitutionally problematic.

We shall see.

I love it when Leftist pundits go off whining about Federal employees having anxiety about their jobs, as though this is something that should never happen. I say, Welcome to the Real World. My job was on the line at least a dozen times during my career due to mergers & acquisitions, cutbacks, reorganizations, and irrational bosses wanting to deflect blame for their own failures. Just because you work for the taxpayers doesn't make you immune from the real world.

 

[westwall]

Many lawyers are weighing in to say that elimination of the Dept of Ed would require a law and can't be done by the President. The chances of this happening are microscopic, given the inertia of Federal operations. Furthermore, the President "just not spending the money" - often called "sequestration," is constitutionally problematic.

We shall see.

I love it when Leftist pundits go off whining about Federal employees having anxiety about their jobs, as though this is something that should never happen. I say, Welcome to the Real World. My job was on the line at least a dozen times during my career due to mergers & acquisitions, cutbacks, reorganizations, and irrational bosses wanting to deflect blame for their own failures. Just because you work for the taxpayer doesn't make you immune from the real world.

However, you can defund the department and let them sit in dark buildings with no pay.