Katrina - Hey Bush Bashers - More Facts You Refuse To Read

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Sunday, September 11, 2005

It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow.

"Mr. Bush's performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom.

But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth.

Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that:

"The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne."

For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 2002. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.

Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out.

So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week:

More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters.

The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans.

Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees.

Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought:

"We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering.

"The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network.

"You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region.

"No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."

"You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said.

Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately.

Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks.

And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states.

Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome.

The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me.

A better question -- which few journalists ask -- is why weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck?

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05254/568876.stm
 
GotZoom said:
Sunday, September 11, 2005

It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow.

"Mr. Bush's performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom.

But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth.

Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that:

"The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne."

For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 2002. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.

Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out.

So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week:

More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters.

The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans.

Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees.

Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought:

"We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering.

"The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network.

"You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region.

"No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."

"You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said.

Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately.

Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks.

And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states.

Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome.

The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me.

A better question -- which few journalists ask -- is why weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck?

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05254/568876.stm

A good article but way to full of truth and common sense--lines are drawn and reality makes absolutely no difference to those who hate Bush and republicans.
 
GotZoom said:
Sunday, September 11, 2005

It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow.

"Mr. Bush's performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom.

But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth.

Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that:

"The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne."

For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 2002. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.

Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out.

So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week:

More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters.

The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans.

Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees.

Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought:

"We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering.

"The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network.

"You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region.

"No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."

"You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said.

Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately.

Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks.

And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states.

Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome.

The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me.

A better question -- which few journalists ask -- is why weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck?

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05254/568876.stm


zoom,
You posted this one before I had a chance, great read. I think he did an incredible job of putting the whiners and their crap into perspective. It just goes to show how powerful the media still is at forming the uninformed public's opinions. There are still plenty of blacks crying racism and all the rest of the garbage they usually complain about as many get their 2000 dollar debit cards, free health care, free eye glasses, designer clothes seized by customs, a bunch get houses and apartments and some also get cars.With over 700,000 dollars collected so far from the public I would dare say that the use of the racism card is over, we are all very bored with that weakass excuse for irresponcible behavior. The fact is there is nobody alive that remembers slavery first hand and after trillions spent by mostly white America with very little results I have to ask. . . what does the black community want to shut the f up. How much will it cost to take that race card out of existance?
That idiot Kanye(what kind of name is this) doesn't even understand that it is the white duffusses that actually waste their short time on earth listening to C-rap that has made his ignorant ass rich. In the real world that clown couldn't make a minimum wage at McDonalds.
Why haven't we heard any whining from the people of Mississippi, could it be that they are too busy working to rebuild to bitch?

Sorry about the rant but I was stupid enough to tune into Pacifica radio and listened to an asshole last night. What little of his bull that I could actually understand was mostly about how whitey is once again trying to wipe out the black race. I tried to call but the lines were clogged with other blacks bitching and whining about not getting enough from whitey.
 
Great post, Zoomy. I like to read articles in defense of the feds on Katrina. The feds slow response is entirely understandable when you have to respect the law and bide your time while local incompetents try to decide what the do.
 
sitarro said:
zoom,
You posted this one before I had a chance, great read. I think he did an incredible job of putting the whiners and their crap into perspective. It just goes to show how powerful the media still is at forming the uninformed public's opinions. There are still plenty of blacks crying racism and all the rest of the garbage they usually complain about as many get their 2000 dollar debit cards, free health care, free eye glasses, designer clothes seized by customs, a bunch get houses and apartments and some also get cars.With over 700,000 dollars collected so far from the public I would dare say that the use of the racism card is over, we are all very bored with that weakass excuse for irresponcible behavior. The fact is there is nobody alive that remembers slavery first hand and after trillions spent by mostly white America with very little results I have to ask. . . what does the black community want to shut the f up. How much will it cost to take that race card out of existance?
That idiot Kanye(what kind of name is this) doesn't even understand that it is the white duffusses that actually waste their short time on earth listening to C-rap that has made his ignorant ass rich. In the real world that clown couldn't make a minimum wage at McDonalds.
Why haven't we heard any whining from the people of Mississippi, could it be that they are too busy working to rebuild to bitch?

Sorry about the rant but I was stupid enough to tune into Pacifica radio and listened to an asshole last night. What little of his bull that I could actually understand was mostly about how whitey is once again trying to wipe out the black race. I tried to call but the lines were clogged with other blacks bitching and whining about not getting enough from whitey.


One of the first images/videos I saw was when they stuck a microphone and camera in front of an African-American woman standing in front of the Superdome.

She said, "Who is going to rebuild my home?" "I want them to build me a new home."

Them = taxpayers = you and I.

How about some personal responsibility.
 
GotZoom said:
One of the first images/videos I saw was when they stuck a microphone and camera in front of an African-American woman standing in front of the Superdome.

She said, "Who is going to rebuild my home?" "I want them to build me a new home."

Them = taxpayers = you and I.

How about some personal responsibility.

Agreed---America has raised it citizens poorly when welfare and lawsuits is actually how people expect to "make a living".
 
Personal responsibility? Two words not understood by the majority in New Orleans. Not part of the local lingo.
 
-=d=- said:
Did y'all hear about the lady in NY who used her FEMA $2000 debit card to pay for an $800 Louis-Vatton Purse?

-=d=-,
Why doesn't that surprise me?
 
GotZoom said:
One of the first images/videos I saw was when they stuck a microphone and camera in front of an African-American woman standing in front of the Superdome.

She said, "Who is going to rebuild my home?" "I want them to build me a new home."

Them = taxpayers = you and I.

How about some personal responsibility.

Was that the woman that was sporting the gold teeth?
 
sitarro said:
-=d=-,
Why doesn't that surprise me?

Let's see, how does it go again?

Her ancestors were enslaved and brought here by white people.
Her ancestors were freed by white people only to endure years of discrimination and suppression.
Her ancestors were given equal and even special rights by law but there is still discrimination out there so the are poor an uneducated.
Poor and uneducated people cannot be expected to be responsible for themselves or expected to obey even the basic laws of the land.
They earned that $2,000 credit by simply being in the way of the storm and who the hell are we to tell then how they should spend thier money?
Whites have never had to endure what blacks have therefore whites need to shut up because they haven't walked a mile in a blacks shoes.

something like that if I remember right.
 
September 10, 2005


You know that after Osama and al-Zawahiri viewed the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina and the subsequent mayhem that ensued in New Orleans, they are sitting back in some Pakistani cave toking on a big hookah, laughing their a**es off, praising Allah, and stepping up their game to hit the U.S. again. And hard. And soon.

For me, watching Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco handle the New Orleans/ Louisiana debacle is like watching Moe and Curly trying to work a Rubik’s cube. Those two gave me all the relief that half a Tums did the other night after eating three grease laden chimichangas covered in Scorned Woman Habanera Pepper Sauce®. Suffice it to say, after watching this entire fiasco unfold on the Gulf Coast, that I’m not getting the “our homeland is secured” feeling from Homeland Security.

This leads me to think that if we cannot get our act together to handle a CAT 4 storm we saw lumbering toward us for several days, then what the heck are we going to do if al Qaeda sleeper cells, embedded in the US, clandestinely strike us with massive force?

Y’know, I hate to speak for others, but I think the majority of our nation doesn’t even think al Qaeda is a threat to the US any longer. Here’s the unarticulated sleepy vibe you get from most people regarding the immediate menace terrorists pose to us:

1. There hasn’t been another attack on US soil in four years now.
2. The majority of what they’re doing is on the other side of the pond.
3. Their attacks are unsophisticated.
4. Their weapons are crude.
5. The effects of their assaults are benign, and thus . . .
6. They are incapable of levying a catastrophic hit on a major super power like the U.S.

And this is probably just what OBL and his tribe from hell wants you to think—even though they have made it abundantly clear that they are going to attempt to kill at least four million of us, and that they will do it with nuclear weapons which we know are already in their possession. What Osama wants to do to us will make Katrina look like Chucky Cheese. Al Qaeda dreams of an American Nagasaki.

Author Paul Williams is not singing any sleep-inducing lullabies in his latest work, The Al-Qaeda Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse. Williams’ new book will blister your soul as you read the well-known, truly apocalyptic, yet sinfully unreported data in this heavily footnoted 231-page hot, pithy tome.

Trust me, or better yet, see for yourself that this is not the rambling of some speculative doom saying TBN prophet playing pin the tail on the latest beast. Rather, Williams’ book is riddled with readily available empirical information that he has simply put together to the end that we:

1. appreciate our enemy’s wishes and advances
2. get off our collective butt and
3. take swift and specific action before several major cities become melted glass beds.

Williams makes a hard case that al Qaeda has climbed into bed with the Sicilian Mafia that is helping to float terrorism through the sale of Number Four heroin, the soup de jour with American and European druggies. With this mega-million dollar underwriting, OBL and his sick ilk have purchased, via the Chechen mafia, nuclear weapons they have taken from feebly protected Russian repositories.

To further expedite the eternal night al Qaeda wishes to rain down upon us, they have joined hands with a Salvadoran street gang called Mara Salvatrucha, aka MS-13. And what’s MS-13’s job description from al Qaeda? Well, this violent and rapidly-growing-in-numbers-and-finance gaggle of punks has the job of smuggling nukes and sleeper agents across the Mexican border, which, incidentally, they have been overseeing for quite sometime now.

This column is running a little long. The bottom line is this: Don’t read Williams’ new book if you don’t want to know:

1. How we know OBL has nuclear weapons.
2. How he got such weapons.
3. If they have already been smuggled into the USA.
4. How nuke smuggling occurs post 911.
5. Why the 411 regarding a planned nuclear attack has been under-reported by the national media.
6. What the effects of a nuclear blast would be should one rock one of our major metro areas.
7. What major metro areas are on OBL’s hit list.
8. How many sleeper agents/cells in the US are planning the next 911.
9. What steps we must take to ward off a nuclear nightmare.
10. Why al Qaeda has waited until now to launch its next attack on US soil.
11. What the local, state and the federal government must do, like yesterday, to mitigate this present and real threat.
12. That in the last few months, 9,000 plus or minus “special interest” aliens from terrorist supporting countries have been arrested and released on our Mexican border.
13. That it is not if they are going to attack us but when they are going to attack us.

So, here we sit with borders that are more open than the space between Kanye West’s ears, with airports and ports that receive cargo that gets inspected about as often as Rosie O’Donnell does her abdominal workout, and while Hollywood and D.C. play the Katrina blame game and get wrapped around the prop regarding who sucks the least. The terrorists, on the other hand, are staying their course, biding their time, blowing through our borders, getting briefed and fired up in their mosques, and with religious zeal, are looking to put and end to our world as we know it.

My advice to help stave off their hellish desires would be to buy yourself, your congressmen, your senators and your President a copy of William’s book. And bug the crap out of them until they do more about the current deadly terror threat from within.


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/printdg20050910.shtml

Thought this fit in well in this thread
 
dilloduck said:
Let's see, how does it go again?

Her ancestors were enslaved and brought here by white people.
Her ancestors were freed by white people only to endure years of discrimination and suppression.
Her ancestors were given equal and even special rights by law but there is still discrimination out there so the are poor an uneducated.
Poor and uneducated people cannot be expected to be responsible for themselves or expected to obey even the basic laws of the land.
They earned that $2,000 credit by simply being in the way of the storm and who the hell are we to tell then how they should spend thier money?
Whites have never had to endure what blacks have therefore whites need to shut up because they haven't walked a mile in a blacks shoes.

something like that if I remember right.

You forget the very first one.

Her ancestors were sold to white people by HER ancestors.
 
dilloduck said:
A good article but way to full of truth and common sense--lines are drawn and reality makes absolutely no difference to those who hate Bush and republicans.


Perfectly stated here Dillo!!
 
Bonnie said:
September 10, 2005





http://www.townhall.com/columnists/douggiles/printdg20050910.shtml

Thought this fit in well in this thread

It does---It's ALL blending together in a sinister and frightening reality. Is there anyone that we can elect into office who will grab this bull by the horns because I sure don't see it happening now. I give my kudos to Bush for at least engaging the enemy militarily but we've got a long way to go and action is diminishing.
Truth--we are not nearly as protected as we need to be or think we are. Katrina just proved it.
 
GotZoom said:
One of the first images/videos I saw was when they stuck a microphone and camera in front of an African-American woman standing in front of the Superdome.

She said, "Who is going to rebuild my home?" "I want them to build me a new home."

Them = taxpayers = you and I.

How about some personal responsibility.
Same here...The first I saw, 3 days after the hit was a video of this woman screaming on the local news that she has nothing and "WHO IS" going to help her. "They're not doing anything for me, I need help" she said...all the while she was housed at a shelter here in Atlanta with 3 hots and a cot, counseling, job assistance etc...

I was actually thinking of bringing some of these folks into my home until I saw this display over and over again...Not a chance now..
 

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