karl marx grave needs to be removed.
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the other mike
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To say that American society has been 'dumbed down' is a vast understatement.
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Rustic
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Socialism is for ******* losers that can’t make it in the real worldYes it is true he NEVER held a job or collected a pay check or paid a bill or balanced a check bookMarx never held a job, really?
"Happy birthday to Karl Marx, who was born 200 years ago on May 5. He was the most astute and influential critic of capitalism in history — and also the most misunderstood...."
"And as economist Branko Milanovic argues, Marx is incontestably one of the greatest and most influential intellectuals of all time, right up there with Aristotle and Augustine.
"If nothing else, he is worth examining for that reason alone.
"But not only for that.
"Today, as against the neoclassicals who view the capitalist economy as a perfect self-regulating machine, Marx reminds us that capitalism has an inherent tendency towards crisis — and the purer the capitalist institutions, the worse these crises are.
"His historical grounding is refreshing in an economics profession that is far too often obsessed with arid mathematical theories bearing little or no relationship to reality."
It's time to normalize Karl Marx
You may disagree with what he had to say, but there's little doubt he's among the top ten public intellectuals of all time.
Writings on the American Civil War
"Works of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels 1861
"Writings on the U.S. Civil War"
He lived as a dead beat bum his entire life begging for handouts from others.
This is why he was MASSIVELY ignorant about economics and every treatise or idea he wrote about economics if absolutely wrong.
His ideas on economics are in fact the equivalent of a 600 lb morbidly obese person writing about diet and healthy living
Introduction to the Revolutionary Philosophy of Marxism
"Most people would not dream of expressing an informed opinion about brain surgery or quantum mechanics without specialized knowledge of these fields, but matters seem to be quite different when it comes to Marxism. It seems that anyone can express an opinion about Marxism without having read a single line of what Marx and Engels actually wrote."
Sound like anyone you know?
Polishprince
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Communism killed more people in the 20th Century than did Naziism. Hitler's corpus is in an unmarked grave, the same should be done for the father of this other Atrocity.
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Socialism is for ******* losers that can’t make it in the real worldYes it is true he NEVER held a job or collected a pay check or paid a bill or balanced a check bookMarx never held a job, really?
"Happy birthday to Karl Marx, who was born 200 years ago on May 5. He was the most astute and influential critic of capitalism in history — and also the most misunderstood...."
"And as economist Branko Milanovic argues, Marx is incontestably one of the greatest and most influential intellectuals of all time, right up there with Aristotle and Augustine.
"If nothing else, he is worth examining for that reason alone.
"But not only for that.
"Today, as against the neoclassicals who view the capitalist economy as a perfect self-regulating machine, Marx reminds us that capitalism has an inherent tendency towards crisis — and the purer the capitalist institutions, the worse these crises are.
"His historical grounding is refreshing in an economics profession that is far too often obsessed with arid mathematical theories bearing little or no relationship to reality."
It's time to normalize Karl Marx
You may disagree with what he had to say, but there's little doubt he's among the top ten public intellectuals of all time.
Writings on the American Civil War
"Works of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels 1861
"Writings on the U.S. Civil War"
He lived as a dead beat bum his entire life begging for handouts from others.
This is why he was MASSIVELY ignorant about economics and every treatise or idea he wrote about economics if absolutely wrong.
His ideas on economics are in fact the equivalent of a 600 lb morbidly obese person writing about diet and healthy living
Introduction to the Revolutionary Philosophy of Marxism
"Most people would not dream of expressing an informed opinion about brain surgery or quantum mechanics without specialized knowledge of these fields, but matters seem to be quite different when it comes to Marxism. It seems that anyone can express an opinion about Marxism without having read a single line of what Marx and Engels actually wrote."
Sound like anyone you know?
Is this your idea of a winner?
Loon.
Soupnazi630
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Why would anyone wish to " normalize " an I ideology which consistently results in massive increases in poverty, destitution and starvation ?Socialism is for ******* losers that can’t make it in the real worldYes it is true he NEVER held a job or collected a pay check or paid a bill or balanced a check bookMarx never held a job, really?
Writings on the American Civil War
"Works of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels 1861
"Writings on the U.S. Civil War"
He lived as a dead beat bum his entire life begging for handouts from others.
This is why he was MASSIVELY ignorant about economics and every treatise or idea he wrote about economics if absolutely wrong.
His ideas on economics are in fact the equivalent of a 600 lb morbidly obese person writing about diet and healthy living
Introduction to the Revolutionary Philosophy of Marxism
"Most people would not dream of expressing an informed opinion about brain surgery or quantum mechanics without specialized knowledge of these fields, but matters seem to be quite different when it comes to Marxism. It seems that anyone can express an opinion about Marxism without having read a single line of what Marx and Engels actually wrote."
Sound like anyone you know?Is this your idea of a winner?
Loon.
Capitalism has accomplished exactly the opposite where ever it is allowed to flourish but that is beside the point.
Every attempt to implement Marxs theories have ended on death genocide and disaster
That is absolute fact so explain why the fools who wish to normalize Marx have any valid ideas?
Rustic
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LolSocialism is for ******* losers that can’t make it in the real worldYes it is true he NEVER held a job or collected a pay check or paid a bill or balanced a check bookMarx never held a job, really?
Writings on the American Civil War
"Works of Karl Marx and Frederick Engels 1861
"Writings on the U.S. Civil War"
He lived as a dead beat bum his entire life begging for handouts from others.
This is why he was MASSIVELY ignorant about economics and every treatise or idea he wrote about economics if absolutely wrong.
His ideas on economics are in fact the equivalent of a 600 lb morbidly obese person writing about diet and healthy living
Introduction to the Revolutionary Philosophy of Marxism
"Most people would not dream of expressing an informed opinion about brain surgery or quantum mechanics without specialized knowledge of these fields, but matters seem to be quite different when it comes to Marxism. It seems that anyone can express an opinion about Marxism without having read a single line of what Marx and Engels actually wrote."
Sound like anyone you know?Is this your idea of a winner?
Loon.
Congress does the spending, because if I remember correctly they control the purse strings.
Anyway, only a ******* moron would hold Karl Marx and his supporters in the high regard....
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georgephillip
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Because an economic system that concentrates wealth in fewer and fewer hands with each passing generation will continue to inflict poverty, war, and starvation on millions of innocent human beings in order for a small percentage to the world's population to live the "American Dream."
Monthly Review | Why Socialism?
"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones.
"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society.
"This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature.
"The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population.
"Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education).
"It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."
georgephillip
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LolSocialism is for ******* losers that can’t make it in the real world
Introduction to the Revolutionary Philosophy of Marxism
"Most people would not dream of expressing an informed opinion about brain surgery or quantum mechanics without specialized knowledge of these fields, but matters seem to be quite different when it comes to Marxism. It seems that anyone can express an opinion about Marxism without having read a single line of what Marx and Engels actually wrote."
Sound like anyone you know?Is this your idea of a winner?
Loon.
Congress does the spending, because if I remember correctly they control the purse strings.
Anyway, only a ******* moron would hold Karl Marx and his supporters in the high regard....
Did you vote for this ******* moron?
Sure you did.
Soupnazi630
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All false.Because an economic system that concentrates wealth in fewer and fewer hands with each passing generation will continue to inflict poverty, war, and starvation on millions of innocent human beings in order for a small percentage to the world's population to live the "American Dream."
Monthly Review | Why Socialism?
"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones.
"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society.
"This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature.
"The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population.
"Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education).
"It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."
Wealth is created for all and even though the wealthy get more of it a rising tide lifts ALL ships.
Capitalism has decreased poverty and benefited man more than any other system
Communism has not. Communism has consistently made things worse.
So once again even assuming your claims of wealth are true ( they are not ) why would you instead advocate an idea which is proven to be a failure and evil?
Tehon
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Communism has yet to exist.All false.Because an economic system that concentrates wealth in fewer and fewer hands with each passing generation will continue to inflict poverty, war, and starvation on millions of innocent human beings in order for a small percentage to the world's population to live the "American Dream."
Monthly Review | Why Socialism?
"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones.
"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society.
"This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature.
"The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population.
"Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education).
"It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."
Wealth is created for all and even though the wealthy get more of it a rising tide lifts ALL ships.
Capitalism has decreased poverty and benefited man more than any other system
Communism has not. Communism has consistently made things worse.
So once again even assuming your claims of wealth are true ( they are not ) why would you instead advocate an idea which is proven to be a failure and evil?
Marx was well aware of the benefits to our social evolution provided by the capitalist means of production. He was also well aware of how it would develop and how its full development would come to contradict societies needs.
We are witnessing that play out. Trump's election is a manifestation of that contradiction.
Socialism only develops out of fully developed capitalism. Be patient, it's coming.
Polishprince
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Communism has yet to exist.All false.Because an economic system that concentrates wealth in fewer and fewer hands with each passing generation will continue to inflict poverty, war, and starvation on millions of innocent human beings in order for a small percentage to the world's population to live the "American Dream."
Monthly Review | Why Socialism?
"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones.
"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society.
"This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature.
"The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population.
"Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education).
"It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."
Wealth is created for all and even though the wealthy get more of it a rising tide lifts ALL ships.
Capitalism has decreased poverty and benefited man more than any other system
Communism has not. Communism has consistently made things worse.
So once again even assuming your claims of wealth are true ( they are not ) why would you instead advocate an idea which is proven to be a failure and evil?
Marx was well aware of the benefits to our social evolution provided by the capitalist means of production. He was also well aware of how it would develop and how its full development would come to contradict societies needs.
We are witnessing that play out. Trump's election is a manifestation of that contradiction.
Socialism only develops out of fully developed capitalism. Be patient, it's coming.
Actually, communism has existed and thrived in many places throughout history. In Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela. The results of a single party exercising totalitarian control don't have to be "imagined" as Lennon said, you just have to open your eyes.
By the way, North Korea is looking to abandon communism, I would not be surprised to see NK be fully free before you know it.
Our President tweeted about NK just yesterday.
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump Feb 8
North Korea, under the leadership of Kim Jong Un, will become a great Economic Powerhouse. He may surprise some but he won’t surprise me, because I have gotten to know him & fully understand how capable he is. North Korea will become a different kind of Rocket - an Economic one!
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Soupnazi630
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Communism has yet to exist.All false.Because an economic system that concentrates wealth in fewer and fewer hands with each passing generation will continue to inflict poverty, war, and starvation on millions of innocent human beings in order for a small percentage to the world's population to live the "American Dream."
Monthly Review | Why Socialism?
"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones.
"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society.
"This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature.
"The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population.
"Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education).
"It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."
Wealth is created for all and even though the wealthy get more of it a rising tide lifts ALL ships.
Capitalism has decreased poverty and benefited man more than any other system
Communism has not. Communism has consistently made things worse.
So once again even assuming your claims of wealth are true ( they are not ) why would you instead advocate an idea which is proven to be a failure and evil?
Marx was well aware of the benefits to our social evolution provided by the capitalist means of production. He was also well aware of how it would develop and how its full development would come to contradict societies needs.
We are witnessing that play out. Trump's election is a manifestation of that contradiction.
Socialism only develops out of fully developed capitalism. Be patient, it's coming.
Actually you are quite wrong on every count.
Communism is not a state of being it is not the perfect stateless classless society. It is in fact the ideology and process of getting there and it is abominably evil evil by design.
Marx had no clue how capitalism or capitalist means of production would develop. He predicted many things about this development and EVERY thing HE EVER predicted has been absolutely proven wrong.
Society has no needs people do which is there is no such contradiction which is a fact and yet more proof of the absolute stupidity of marx and his followers.
Socialsm is not coming we have seen it fail too many times and is a worthless world view and ideology,
Tehon
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Trump won the White House because the evil capitalists decided they could produce commodities for greater profit in foreign lands. Americans lost jobs and they voted for the person who promised to bring them back. That is a social contradiction caused by capitalism. It will get worse. You will be clamoring for Marxist philosophy before all is said and done. Be patient.Communism has yet to exist.All false.Because an economic system that concentrates wealth in fewer and fewer hands with each passing generation will continue to inflict poverty, war, and starvation on millions of innocent human beings in order for a small percentage to the world's population to live the "American Dream."
Monthly Review | Why Socialism?
"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones.
"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society.
"This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature.
"The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population.
"Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education).
"It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."
Wealth is created for all and even though the wealthy get more of it a rising tide lifts ALL ships.
Capitalism has decreased poverty and benefited man more than any other system
Communism has not. Communism has consistently made things worse.
So once again even assuming your claims of wealth are true ( they are not ) why would you instead advocate an idea which is proven to be a failure and evil?
Marx was well aware of the benefits to our social evolution provided by the capitalist means of production. He was also well aware of how it would develop and how its full development would come to contradict societies needs.
We are witnessing that play out. Trump's election is a manifestation of that contradiction.
Socialism only develops out of fully developed capitalism. Be patient, it's coming.
Actually you are quite wrong on every count.
Communism is not a state of being it is not the perfect stateless classless society. It is in fact the ideology and process of getting there and it is abominably evil evil by design.
Marx had no clue how capitalism or capitalist means of production would develop. He predicted many things about this development and EVERY thing HE EVER predicted has been absolutely proven wrong.
Society has no needs people do which is there is no such contradiction which is a fact and yet more proof of the absolute stupidity of marx and his followers.
Socialsm is not coming we have seen it fail too many times and is a worthless world view and ideology,
Soupnazi630
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Marxist philosophy is evil at the core and by design. It is no coincidence that every nation which has tried it has ended up with genocide, starvation, tyranny, poverty and destitution.Trump won the White House because the evil capitalists decided they could produce commodities for greater profit in foreign lands. Americans lost jobs and they voted for the person who promised to bring them back. That is a social contradiction caused by capitalism. It will get worse. You will be clamoring for Marxist philosophy before all is said and done. Be patient.Communism has yet to exist.All false.Because an economic system that concentrates wealth in fewer and fewer hands with each passing generation will continue to inflict poverty, war, and starvation on millions of innocent human beings in order for a small percentage to the world's population to live the "American Dream."
Monthly Review | Why Socialism?
"Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones.
"The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society.
"This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature.
"The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population.
"Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education).
"It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights."
Wealth is created for all and even though the wealthy get more of it a rising tide lifts ALL ships.
Capitalism has decreased poverty and benefited man more than any other system
Communism has not. Communism has consistently made things worse.
So once again even assuming your claims of wealth are true ( they are not ) why would you instead advocate an idea which is proven to be a failure and evil?
Marx was well aware of the benefits to our social evolution provided by the capitalist means of production. He was also well aware of how it would develop and how its full development would come to contradict societies needs.
We are witnessing that play out. Trump's election is a manifestation of that contradiction.
Socialism only develops out of fully developed capitalism. Be patient, it's coming.
Actually you are quite wrong on every count.
Communism is not a state of being it is not the perfect stateless classless society. It is in fact the ideology and process of getting there and it is abominably evil evil by design.
Marx had no clue how capitalism or capitalist means of production would develop. He predicted many things about this development and EVERY thing HE EVER predicted has been absolutely proven wrong.
Society has no needs people do which is there is no such contradiction which is a fact and yet more proof of the absolute stupidity of marx and his followers.
Socialsm is not coming we have seen it fail too many times and is a worthless world view and ideology,
Capitalists can be evil but no one is evil because they are a capitalist and your analysis is massively stupid. Promising jobs was only one small part of why he was elected. Marx you have tunnel vision and ignore all the other factors and motives which led to his election. Jobs was not even the biggest one although he has delivered on it.
There is no social contradiction caused by capitalism.
Explain why anyone would want a philosophy which demands dictatorship?
DO not dodge as you have in the past. Marx preached dictatorship of the proletariat by which he MEANT DICTATORSHIP and despotism and tyranny.
We do not have one now so why would I want one?
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