Kalamazoo shooter....a "progressive" Left wing tears are flowing...not a rightwinger..again...

[jc456]

Thanks to another poster...we have this new piece of info.

From Stevemcgarret.....

"Progressive" Jason Brian Dalton Arrested for Random Kalamazoo Shootings After Killing 6 - Was Uber Driver - The Gateway Pundit

It says he worked for Progressive, not that he was a progressive... but never mind, I don't expect you read your own manifesto.

This guy is clearly one of yours. White, overweight, bad haircut.

The guy is a gun hugging Conservative who worked at Progressive Insurance 5 years ago

hahahahaahahahahahahahaha way to profile libturd. you can't prove that, but hey you got it out there right? Aren't you the good troll libturd. hahahaahahahahahahaahhahaha

 

[hadit]

His guns were functional but he was not. Did the human with the gun kill? Or did the gun with a human? If you take the human factor out you remove the death.

If you take the gun out that also works. My choice, both.

All you have to do is repeal the 2nd Amendment to take the guns out. I'm sure all of the criminals would immediately turn their guns in the the federal authorities.

If they didn't, and they're holding one, they're as good as dead.

That is fucking hilarious! You were making a joke weren't you?

How else would you enforce near universal gun control?

By ensuring that everyone who owns a gun is able to control it and hit their target.

 

[jc456]

Tell us, what makes you so afraid of strict gun control? Others have that and still have freedom. What are you do damn worried about?

People like you who are willing to incinerate 90 million of us because you disagree politically. Socialists are all too quick to chose that method for conflict resolution. We had to deal with your kind in WW2.

1. I'm a liberal, so you're safe, but when it's time to turn in the guns no one is going to knock on your door.
2. In a world where they can drone you from the other side of the planet, why would you think your guns will save you? The people we drone usually have more guns than you do, and they are dead as stones.

The guns will not save you, nor protect your liberty. They just kill a lot of people. Liberty now means a good lawyer, not a gun. Even I just want all the guns, not all the liberties. Most of them work just fine. The guns, not so much...

although, your theory is flawed and can't work and it has been proven defective over and over. So you have a failed program. congratulations libturd evil dude. You get that harry carry book yet?

 

[hadit]

All you have to do is repeal the 2nd Amendment to take the guns out. I'm sure all of the criminals would immediately turn their guns in the the federal authorities.

If they didn't, and they're holding one, they're as good as dead.

That is fucking hilarious! You were making a joke weren't you?

How else would you enforce near universal gun control?

You could start by enforcing existing laws by taking the guns away from convicted felons and gang members that have guns. Good luck with that.

As you can see, guns laws don't work very well, people still shoot each other. Let's try a near all-out ban instead.

Let's see if understand your position. You want to:

A. Destroy humanity.
B. Remove a tool humanity uses to destroy itself.

I think you need to work on your consistency. Tell us, do you refuse antibiotics, crusade against modern medical practices that lengthen life and prevent diseases? Disease is an effective destroyer of humanity, you know that, right? Do you encourage children to play in traffic, advocate against seat belt laws, pass out dirty needles to homeless drug addicts? Just how strong IS your commitment to getting rid of humanity?

I say your belief is a fraud, because you will not knowingly remove either yourself or anyone else from the planet.

 

[MSchmit]

There is a fund set up for the families of the victims of this. If anyone is interested in helping they can find it here.
Click here to support Families of Kalamazoo Shootings by Mike Schmit

 

[JQPublic1]

Guns are all that matter. That never changes.

I have several guns and none have ever committed a crime. Perhaps they are broken?

You don't have to have gun to commit a crime. But in you, I see potential.... sooner or later...sooner or later...

I'd set df's criminal history against yours any day of the week.

Don't bet on it. A racist Bahs-turd like df has likely committed some sort of crime. If you read his statement he didn't say he hadn't committed a crime he said his " guns" haven't committed a crime.
You can't even read a simple sentence, let alone "put someone's criminal history up" against mine.

 

[koshergrl]

Guns are all that matter. That never changes.

I have several guns and none have ever committed a crime. Perhaps they are broken?

You don't have to have gun to commit a crime. But in you, I see potential.... sooner or later...sooner or later...

I'd set df's criminal history against yours any day of the week.

Don't bet on it. A racist Bahs-turd like df has likely committed some sort of crime. If you read his statement he didn't say he hadn't committed a crime he said his " guns" haven't committed a crime.
You can't even read a simple sentence, let alone "put someone's criminal history up" against mine.

You sound certifiable. How much time have you done?

 

[JQPublic1]

Guns are all that matter. That never changes.

I have several guns and none have ever committed a crime. Perhaps they are broken?

You don't have to have gun to commit a crime. But in you, I see potential.... sooner or later...sooner or later...

I'd set df's criminal history against yours any day of the week.

Don't bet on it. A racist Bahs-turd like df has likely committed some sort of crime. If you read his statement he didn't say he hadn't committed a crime he said his " guns" haven't committed a crime.
You can't even read a simple sentence, let alone "put someone's criminal history up" against mine.

You sound certifiable. How much time have you done?

NONE, I was on the OTHER side of the bars. Now let's talk about YOU... How much time have YOU done?

 

[JoeB131]

In most cases where there is a firearm death it is rarely political. There are typically "no sides" when it comes to shootouts. Not in every case mind you, but in most. Take a look at Chicago for one, do you really think the gang members are out there caucusing for liberal or conservatives? NO, they simply don't care.

Why shootings happen isn't political, how we react to them is.

Case in point. Because this guy is white, he's already being granted the benefit of the doubt. They are already talking about "mental illness" to explain what he did.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually, I have posted on this.....the Chicago gangs are politically active. They pick many of the aldermen who run their wards and they use their gang members to work for the candidates the gangs pick. The aldermen then protect the gangs interest and help to keep police resources out of those wards....and help to get their gang members out of jail...........

Yes, you have demonstrated your ignorance of Chicago many times on this board.

 

[JoeB131]

Many countries have...and their criminals get guns easily......and in really bad countries the government murders the disarmed people....Europe did this after they disarmed their people after World War 1.

Wow, more stuff you are ignorant on. Fact is, there were plenty of guns available in Europe between the wars.

 

[2aguy]

Many countries have...and their criminals get guns easily......and in really bad countries the government murders the disarmed people....Europe did this after they disarmed their people after World War 1.

Wow, more stuff you are ignorant on. Fact is, there were plenty of guns available in Europe between the wars.

no twit......they all disarmed their people.....they had hunting shotguns and nothing more........

Switzerland...had 435,000 citizens with military rifles and wasn't invaded...the rest of Europe...disarmed their people and had nothing once the Germans pushed over their weakly led and foolish militaries.....

 

[2aguy]

Actually, I have posted on this.....the Chicago gangs are politically active. They pick many of the aldermen who run their wards and they use their gang members to work for the candidates the gangs pick. The aldermen then protect the gangs interest and help to keep police resources out of those wards....and help to get their gang members out of jail...........

Yes, you have demonstrated your ignorance of Chicago many times on this board.

Yeah....you are a moron......

Here is a Chicago Magazine and their in depth investigation into Chicago gangs and their control of the local aldermen....right down to the aldermen interviewing with the local gangs.....you are such a twit....

Gangs and Politicians in Chicago: An Unholy Alliance

Baskin—who was himself a candidate in the 16th Ward aldermanic race, which he would lose—was happy to oblige. In all, he says, he helped broker meetings between roughly 30 politicians (ten sitting aldermen and 20 candidates for City Council) and at least six gang representatives. That claim is backed up by two other community activists, Harold Davis Jr. and Kublai K. M. Toure, who worked with Baskin to arrange the meetings, and a third participant, also a community activist, who requested anonymity.

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At some of the meetings, the politicians arrived with campaign materials and occasionally with aides. The sessions were organized much like corporate-style job fairs. The gang representatives conducted hourlong interviews, one after the other, talking to as many as five candidates in a single evening. Like supplicants, the politicians came into the room alone and sat before the gang representatives, who sat behind a long table. “One candidate said, ‘I feel like I’m in the hot seat,’” recalls Baskin. “And they were.”

The former chieftains, several of them ex-convicts, represented some of the most notorious gangs on the South and West Sides, including the Vice Lords, Gangster Disciples, Black Disciples, Cobras, Black P Stones, and Black Gangsters. Before the election, the gangs agreed to set aside decades-old rivalries and bloody vendettas to operate as a unified political force, which they called Black United Voters of Chicago. “They realized that if they came together, they could get the politicians to come to them,” explains Baskin.

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Our findings:

• While they typically deny it, many public officials—mostly, but not limited to, aldermen, state legislators, and elected judges—routinely seek political support from influential street gangs. Meetings like the ones Baskin organized, for instance, are hardly an anomaly. Gangs can provide a decisive advantage at election time by performing the kinds of chores patronage armies once did.
• In some cases, the partnerships extend beyond the elections in troubling—and possibly criminal—ways, greased by the steady and largely secret flow of money from gang leaders to certain politicians and vice versa. The gangs funnel their largess through opaque businesses, or front companies, and through under-the-table payments. In turn, grateful politicians use their payrolls or campaign funds to hire gang members, pull strings for them to get jobs or contracts, or offer other favors (see“Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle”).
• Most alarming, both law enforcement and gang sources say, is that some politicians ignore the gangs’ criminal activities. Some go so far as to protect gangs from the police, tipping them off to impending raids or to surveillance activities—in effect, creating safe havens in their political districts. And often they chafe at backing tough measures to stem gang activities, advocating instead for superficial solutions that may garner good press but have little impact.

The paradox is that Chicago’s struggle to combat street gangs is being undermined by its own elected officials. And the alliances between lawmakers and lawbreakers raise a troubling question: W

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Her critics, meanwhile, argued that the complexes bred and fostered a criminal population, and they accused her of not doing enough to stop the drug and gang violence that dominated specific buildings. During meetings with the police department’s command staff, says a high-ranking police source, Shiller “never [made] a big push to go after any kind of organized narcotic operation.”

Officers working in the 23rd District say Shiller and her chief of staff, Denice Davis, frequently came into the station after certain Uptown residents were arrested to try to defuse things.

Police say Davis’s interference on behalf of gangbangers and the Alis—whose mother, Aqueela, was part of the alderman’s political organization—had a chilling effect on their policing efforts.

What was the point of making an arrest when it brought trouble from the alderman’s office? “Certain officers would get the message: ‘Maybe I shouldn’t make this stop’ or ‘Maybe I shouldn’t investigate this,’” says Joe Cox, a veteran officer from the district who retired in 2010.








and how they affect sentencing and prison sentences...

Gangs and Politicians: Prisoner Shuffle

 

[JoeB131]

no twit......they all disarmed their people.....they had hunting shotguns and nothing more........

Switzerland...had 435,000 citizens with military rifles and wasn't invaded...the rest of Europe...disarmed their people and had nothing once the Germans pushed over their weakly led and foolish militaries.....

Switzerland was never invaded because there was no tactical advantage to invading Switzerland. Hitler didn't invade countries "for the fun of it". Every country he invaded he had a good reason to invade. No one invaded Switzerland in WWI, either. (And there might have been a tactical advantage to doing so, then)

It certainly wasn't because they were afraid of these guys...

I don't think you'd be very happy if we had gun laws like Switzerland. They actually have a "Well Regulated Militia".

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah....you are a moron......

Here is a Chicago Magazine and their in depth investigation into Chicago gangs and their control of the local aldermen....right down to the aldermen interviewing with the local gangs.....you are such a twit....

Nobody in Chicago actually reads "Chicago Magazine". In fact, all they really do is clutter doctor's offices...

 

[hadit]

Yeah....you are a moron......

Here is a Chicago Magazine and their in depth investigation into Chicago gangs and their control of the local aldermen....right down to the aldermen interviewing with the local gangs.....you are such a twit....

Nobody in Chicago actually reads "Chicago Magazine". In fact, all they really do is clutter doctor's offices...

That sounds a lot like sour grapes. Do you have evidence that the article is in fact incorrect, or are you just complaining around the edges, hoping to discredit it because "Nobody in Chicago actually reads" it?

 

[2aguy]

Yeah....you are a moron......

Here is a Chicago Magazine and their in depth investigation into Chicago gangs and their control of the local aldermen....right down to the aldermen interviewing with the local gangs.....you are such a twit....

Nobody in Chicago actually reads "Chicago Magazine". In fact, all they really do is clutter doctor's offices...

That is why they are ignorant like you......they don't understand why we have violent crime out of control in the city......like you don't understand......but you are mentally a 12 year old...so that is your excuse.....

 

[2aguy]

no twit......they all disarmed their people.....they had hunting shotguns and nothing more........

Switzerland...had 435,000 citizens with military rifles and wasn't invaded...the rest of Europe...disarmed their people and had nothing once the Germans pushed over their weakly led and foolish militaries.....

Switzerland was never invaded because there was no tactical advantage to invading Switzerland. Hitler didn't invade countries "for the fun of it". Every country he invaded he had a good reason to invade. No one invaded Switzerland in WWI, either. (And there might have been a tactical advantage to doing so, then)

It certainly wasn't because they were afraid of these guys...

I don't think you'd be very happy if we had gun laws like Switzerland. They actually have a "Well Regulated Militia".

Wrong.......hitler hated the Swiss, and he invaded everyone else......but the headache because they had 435,000 people armed with rifles and ready to fight kept him from invading and prevented a holocaust in Switzerland...as the rest of disarmed Europe handed over their citizens to be murdered in German gas chambers.....12 million innocent men, women and children, disarmed by their governments and then handed over for murder.....

The rest of Europe....disarmed after World War 1, and rolled over after the Germans invaded........

An armed European citizenship could have stopped World War 2.....

 

[JoeB131]

That is why they are ignorant like you......they don't understand why we have violent crime out of control in the city......like you don't understand......but you are mentally a 12 year old...so that is your excuse.....

Uh, no, we just don't buy into media hype... that's the thing.

I've lived here for 50+ years, haven't seen one shooting, one gang riot, or any of the other stuff you think must be going on every day. And I've lived in some rough neihborhoods.

 

[JoeB131]

That sounds a lot like sour grapes. Do you have evidence that the article is in fact incorrect, or are you just complaining around the edges, hoping to discredit it because "Nobody in Chicago actually reads" it?

No, what discredits it is that no one actually reads it. It's entire circulation is waiting rooms.... They could write a story that the Loch Ness Monster moved to Lake Michigan, and no one would pay it much attention.