Kalamazoo shooter....a "progressive" Left wing tears are flowing...not a rightwinger..again...

[PaintMyHouse]

Guns are for saving and preserving the life of the user....

Save the BS for someone else. Soldiers with guns aren't trying to protect lives, they are talking them. That is why the gun was invented, war.

wrong.....most U.S. soldiers never fire their weapons and they keep enemies from attacking us every single day..without firing a shot. Dittos the police, who keep the peace every single day and almost all of them will never use their guns or fire them......

YOu don't really think deeply about things do you?

I think very deep thoughts, dumbfuck, but what guns are for doesn't require any thinking. You just can't manage even that much.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Guns are for saving and preserving the life of the user....

Save the BS for someone else. Soldiers with guns aren't trying to protect lives, they are talking them. That is why the gun was invented, war.

You've never been in the service, have you?

Its absolutely idiotic to think that soldiers are protecting themselves when they kill the enemy.

You kill them, so they don't kill you. See how that works?

A gun is a weapon of war, the only reason it was invented. and I was never stupid enough to be cannon fodder.

You just told everyone everything we need to know about you. That's explains everything.

You're too cowardly to serve your country and stupid enough to think you can force your beliefs on those of us who aren't.

That's a losing proposition for, dude.

People like have to be able to fathom that you will never, ever force your illegal ideas on people like us.

 

[2aguy]

And you would be wrong...nothing in the 2nd Amendment permits murder. In fact, the 2nd Amendment is enshrined in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution so that normal, law abiding citizens can stop murder of innocent people....


Try doing some actual research.....your posts will be more interesting.

But nothing makes the job easier than being able to select the weapon of your choice thanks to the second amendment

"Second Amendment: Protecting the rights of murderers for over 200 years"

a person can kill a whole group of pedestrians if they want to by driving their car into a crowd. Does that mean we should ban cars?

When someone REALLY wants to kill someone or kill multiple people, even if all guns dissapeared from the Earth, they will find a way with what they have. Pipe bombs with nails, cars, fertilizer, etc. The only thing that would happen if all guns dissapeared is there would be deaths done in a different way and maybe even more deaths overall.

They could...but except on rare occasions, they don't
But they do use a gun to the tune of 30,000 gun deaths a year

There aren't 30 thousand gun murders in this country a year.

30,000 dead thanks to guns

1,500,000 violent crimes stopped thanks to guns.....our freedom protected by guns...guns are the best tool for a woman to use to stop a rape....

Thanks gun makers....

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

They could...but except on rare occasions, they don't
But they do use a gun to the tune of 30,000 gun deaths a year

How do you know, there hasn't been a full ban on guns in the U.S. so how do you know it would be a "rare" occasion if they couldn't get a gun?

The places where guns are banned, have the highest murder rates.

Exactly, but let's say in a hypothetical world all guns dissapeared people would still find a way to kill people and kill multiple people. The point being is that the gun is not the problem, the person is.

There was a period in human history where guns did not exist....and mass slaughter of innocents was common.....see the Siege of Merv by the mongols.....

And more than half the population of the world was slave to the other half......because the weak could not fight the strong.....

Guns freed men and women from slavery....

That is the primary reason the left hates guns...they prefer the slavery of other men and women......

Utter bullshit, utter. What is it that makes you so fearful of the world that you cling to these deadly toys of yours? Man up.

Do you support assisted suicide?

 

[2aguy]

Yet another citizen enjoying his second amendment freedoms

A small price to pay

And you would be wrong...nothing in the 2nd Amendment permits murder. In fact, the 2nd Amendment is enshrined in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution so that normal, law abiding citizens can stop murder of innocent people....


Try doing some actual research.....your posts will be more interesting.

But nothing makes the job easier than being able to select the weapon of your choice thanks to the second amendment

"Second Amendment: Protecting the rights of murderers for over 200 years"

Wow....you really are stupid. And with every post you show how stupid you are........

Each year, according to bill clinton with research supported by Obama's CDC, Americans use guns to stop violent criminal attack 1,500,000 times.....saving lives in the process.

That a criminal uses a gun illegally to commit murder seems to be beyond your understanding. That governments, the very groups that anti gunners think should be the only ones with guns have murdered well over 100 million people in the modern period....and that justifies disarming 356,991,876 million guns in private hands......is really just the simplistic thinking of someone whose brain has not developed past the age of 12.

Still trying to sell that bogus 1.5 million number.......didn't work before, doesn't work now

No...the number comes from bill clinton and his Department of Justice study...which is backed up by research by obama's CDC...and all the other studies conducted by both private and government agencies researching defensive gun use...

just averaged the studies......which were conducted by different researchers, from both private and public researchers, over a period of 40 years looking specifically at guns and self defense....the name of the researcher is first, then the year then the number of times they determined guns were used for self defense......notice how many of them there are and how many of them were done by gun grabbers like the clinton Justice Dept. and the obama CDC

And these aren't all of the studies either...there are more...and they support the ones below.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

There aren't 30 thousand gun murders in this country a year.

About 9k I believe. The rest are accidents and suicides, 20,000 of them.

In 2014...in a country with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands, there were 8,124 gun murders. The majority committed by violent career crimnals, using illegal guns, illegally to commit murder mostly against other criminals.....guns they were not allowed to carry or own.

There were in 2013..... at a time of 320,000,000 guns in private hands... 505 accidental gun deaths...

And the rest were intentional suicide...

21,000 suicide by gun...

19,700 or so suicide by other means......

Too many guns, too many gun deaths. Clear now?

1,500,000 violent crimes stopped.

356,991,876 million guns in private hands not used for crime.

8,124 gun murders.....

Typical that a lefty like you can't understand basic math and the size difference between numbers.....

The number of guns could ten times higher and the number of deaths ten times lower and my position Would Not Change! Save your BS.

I know...you are a moron ruled by emotion and the reasoning ability of a 12 year old child..........you can't help it...your brain did not develop properly....but your dumb posts need to be addressed by the adults in the discussion.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Guns are for saving and preserving the life of the user....

Save the BS for someone else. Soldiers with guns aren't trying to protect lives, they are talking them. That is why the gun was invented, war.

You've never been in the service, have you?

Its absolutely idiotic to think that soldiers are protecting themselves when they kill the enemy.

You kill them, so they don't kill you. See how that works?

A gun is a weapon of war, the only reason it was invented. and I was never stupid enough to be cannon fodder.

You just told everyone everything we need to know about you. That's explains everything.

You're too cowardly to serve your country and stupid enough to think you can force your beliefs on those of us who aren't.

That's a losing proposition for, dude.

People like have to be able to fathom that you will never, ever force your illegal ideas on people like us.

Liberals giveth, and liberals taketh away. Almost no one needs a gun any longer, and they are going away. It's just a matter of time.

 

[2aguy]

Guns are for saving and preserving the life of the user....

Save the BS for someone else. Soldiers with guns aren't trying to protect lives, they are talking them. That is why the gun was invented, war.

You've never been in the service, have you?

Its absolutely idiotic to think that soldiers are protecting themselves when they kill the enemy.

You kill them, so they don't kill you. See how that works?

A gun is a weapon of war, the only reason it was invented. and I was never stupid enough to be cannon fodder.

You just told everyone everything we need to know about you. That's explains everything.

You're too cowardly to serve your country and stupid enough to think you can force your beliefs on those of us who aren't.

That's a losing proposition for, dude.

People like have to be able to fathom that you will never, ever force your illegal ideas on people like us.

Liberals giveth, and liberals taketh away. Almost no one needs a gun any longer, and they are going away. It's just a matter of time.

Once guns are gone, the mass murder will increase.....you see it in all the countries where the people are disarmed....Mexico, Ukraine, Africa, South America, Central America.....democrat cities in the U.S., the Middle East.........

 

[PaintMyHouse]

About 9k I believe. The rest are accidents and suicides, 20,000 of them.

In 2014...in a country with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands, there were 8,124 gun murders. The majority committed by violent career crimnals, using illegal guns, illegally to commit murder mostly against other criminals.....guns they were not allowed to carry or own.

There were in 2013..... at a time of 320,000,000 guns in private hands... 505 accidental gun deaths...

And the rest were intentional suicide...

21,000 suicide by gun...

19,700 or so suicide by other means......

Too many guns, too many gun deaths. Clear now?

1,500,000 violent crimes stopped.

356,991,876 million guns in private hands not used for crime.

8,124 gun murders.....

Typical that a lefty like you can't understand basic math and the size difference between numbers.....

The number of guns could ten times higher and the number of deaths ten times lower and my position Would Not Change! Save your BS.

I know...you are a moron ruled by emotion and the reasoning ability of a 12 year old child..........you can't help it...your brain did not develop properly....but your dumb posts need to be addressed by the adults in the discussion.

You aren't an adult, dumbass. And you are the emotional one, terrified your guns will go away and you won't be able to fight like a man.

You can't even be as honest as the NRA and admit that guns were invented as weapons of war.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

Guns are for saving and preserving the life of the user....

Save the BS for someone else. Soldiers with guns aren't trying to protect lives, they are talking them. That is why the gun was invented, war.

You've never been in the service, have you?

Its absolutely idiotic to think that soldiers are protecting themselves when they kill the enemy.

You kill them, so they don't kill you. See how that works?

A gun is a weapon of war, the only reason it was invented. and I was never stupid enough to be cannon fodder.

You just told everyone everything we need to know about you. That's explains everything.

You're too cowardly to serve your country and stupid enough to think you can force your beliefs on those of us who aren't.

That's a losing proposition for, dude.

People like have to be able to fathom that you will never, ever force your illegal ideas on people like us.

Liberals giveth, and liberals taketh away. Almost no one needs a gun any longer, and they are going away. It's just a matter of time.

Highly unlikely.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Guns are for saving and preserving the life of the user....

Save the BS for someone else. Soldiers with guns aren't trying to protect lives, they are talking them. That is why the gun was invented, war.

You've never been in the service, have you?

Its absolutely idiotic to think that soldiers are protecting themselves when they kill the enemy.

You kill them, so they don't kill you. See how that works?

A gun is a weapon of war, the only reason it was invented. and I was never stupid enough to be cannon fodder.

You just told everyone everything we need to know about you. That's explains everything.

You're too cowardly to serve your country and stupid enough to think you can force your beliefs on those of us who aren't.

That's a losing proposition for, dude.

People like have to be able to fathom that you will never, ever force your illegal ideas on people like us.

Liberals giveth, and liberals taketh away. Almost no one needs a gun any longer, and they are going away. It's just a matter of time.

That's why we have a constitution...so idiots who believe that can't actually get away with it.

Do you support assisted suicide?

 

[2aguy]

Guns are for saving and preserving the life of the user....

Save the BS for someone else. Soldiers with guns aren't trying to protect lives, they are talking them. That is why the gun was invented, war.

You've never been in the service, have you?

Its absolutely idiotic to think that soldiers are protecting themselves when they kill the enemy.

You kill them, so they don't kill you. See how that works?

A gun is a weapon of war, the only reason it was invented. and I was never stupid enough to be cannon fodder.

You just told everyone everything we need to know about you. That's explains everything.

You're too cowardly to serve your country and stupid enough to think you can force your beliefs on those of us who aren't.

That's a losing proposition for, dude.

People like have to be able to fathom that you will never, ever force your illegal ideas on people like us.

Liberals giveth, and liberals taketh away. Almost no one needs a gun any longer, and they are going away. It's just a matter of time.

Liberals do no such thing......progressives/regressives do that.......then they fire up the ovens and gas chambers.....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Once guns are gone, the mass murder will increase.....

BULLSHIT, total. Where do you get the ******* paranoid nonsense from?

 

[Disgruntled_American]

Guns are for saving and preserving the life of the user....

Save the BS for someone else. Soldiers with guns aren't trying to protect lives, they are talking them. That is why the gun was invented, war.

You've never been in the service, have you?

Its absolutely idiotic to think that soldiers are protecting themselves when they kill the enemy.

You kill them, so they don't kill you. See how that works?

A gun is a weapon of war, the only reason it was invented. and I was never stupid enough to be cannon fodder.

You just told everyone everything we need to know about you. That's explains everything.

You're too cowardly to serve your country and stupid enough to think you can force your beliefs on those of us who aren't.

That's a losing proposition for, dude.

People like have to be able to fathom that you will never, ever force your illegal ideas on people like us.

Liberals giveth, and liberals taketh away. Almost no one needs a gun any longer, and they are going away. It's just a matter of time.

Won't happen, but keep believing that fantasy. It is already proven gun free zones have the most gun deaths.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

In 2014...in a country with 357,000,000 million guns in private hands, there were 8,124 gun murders. The majority committed by violent career crimnals, using illegal guns, illegally to commit murder mostly against other criminals.....guns they were not allowed to carry or own.

There were in 2013..... at a time of 320,000,000 guns in private hands... 505 accidental gun deaths...

And the rest were intentional suicide...

21,000 suicide by gun...

19,700 or so suicide by other means......

Too many guns, too many gun deaths. Clear now?

1,500,000 violent crimes stopped.

356,991,876 million guns in private hands not used for crime.

8,124 gun murders.....

Typical that a lefty like you can't understand basic math and the size difference between numbers.....

The number of guns could ten times higher and the number of deaths ten times lower and my position Would Not Change! Save your BS.

I know...you are a moron ruled by emotion and the reasoning ability of a 12 year old child..........you can't help it...your brain did not develop properly....but your dumb posts need to be addressed by the adults in the discussion.

You aren't an adult, dumbass. And you are the emotional one, terrified your guns will go away and you won;t be able to fight like a man.

You can't even be as honest as the NRA and admit that guns were invented as weapons of war.

So were swords. Do you want to outlaw those?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

That's why we have a constitution...so idiots who believe that can't actually get away with it.

Do you support assisted suicide?

I already said yes, and my kind wrote the Constitution. It's on paper, like your right to own guns.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Save the BS for someone else. Soldiers with guns aren't trying to protect lives, they are talking them. That is why the gun was invented, war.

You've never been in the service, have you?

Its absolutely idiotic to think that soldiers are protecting themselves when they kill the enemy.

You kill them, so they don't kill you. See how that works?

A gun is a weapon of war, the only reason it was invented. and I was never stupid enough to be cannon fodder.

You just told everyone everything we need to know about you. That's explains everything.

You're too cowardly to serve your country and stupid enough to think you can force your beliefs on those of us who aren't.

That's a losing proposition for, dude.

People like have to be able to fathom that you will never, ever force your illegal ideas on people like us.

Liberals giveth, and liberals taketh away. Almost no one needs a gun any longer, and they are going away. It's just a matter of time.

Won't happen, but keep believing that fantasy. It is already proven gun free zones have the most gun deaths.

Oh, but it will, that's what makes people like 2A wet his bed.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So were swords. Do you want to outlaw those?

Potentially. Also weapons of war.

How many need a sword these days? Oh right, no one.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Once guns are gone, the mass murder will increase.....

BULLSHIT, total. Where do you get the ******* paranoid nonsense from?

Do you lock your doors?

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

So were swords. Do you want to outlaw those?

Potentially. Also weapons of war.

What planet do you live on?...lol