Justice Department ordered to answer for Jan. 6 killing of Ashli Babbitt

[Chillicothe]

1) Yet, when an unarmed, white conservative is rioting and threatening the police,,the Left wants to be able to cheer on the police for shooting them.

2) Justice for Babbitt.

3) Stupid is reserved for those like you believing in

4) She was the target of a cop's bullet.

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Well, i read the thoughtful four posts above by, it seems, MAGA-hatters.

And then i read the, ummm, thoughtful post by the unquestioned MAGA-hatter, Luiza, which, it seems, put those first four MAGA posts into a problematic context. i mean by that, if earnest poster Luiza is correct, well, then the other four MAGA's are fluttering-their-pearls over a false-flag. They are being fooled, per Luiza. No?

MAGA = Where We Go One We Go All ---WWGOWGA?

Of course there was no killing of AB .
Just another Fake Death within a False Flag .
It is standard CIA format .

 

[Mack Brazile]

RIP to Babbit's neck

 

[ThisIsMe]

So there is no right to self defense in your eyes?

I don't care what your stupid argument is I just want it clarified. You don't think there is ever a rightful act of self defense?

At that point, babbit wasn’t attacking Byrd, she was coming through a window, where both her hands were occupied, bracing herself as she tried to get through.

As a police officer, you are supposed to be trained to deal with situations in an appropriate manner, and shooting is not supposed to be your first option, if other options are available.

I’m sure you don’t care what my argument is, a white girl got killed, you think it was justice, I’m asking….revenge mentality? Seems that if you are ignoring the fact that other options should have been employed, you must be doing so out of some sort of spite.

 

[ThisIsMe]

There were other options

Babbitt could have stepped back when ordered to do so
Instead, she led an angry mob into the Senate Chambers

Stop or I will shoot is all the options she needed

She didn’t lead anyone lol..she was just there.

“Stop or I’ll shoot” isn’t the first action he could have taken. There were other options.

If you are going to say that what Byrd did was right, then you legitimize every white on black cop killing that has been in the news over the last few years.

 

[WorldWatcher]

At that point, babbit wasn’t attacking Byrd, she was coming through a window, where both her hands were occupied, bracing herself as she tried to get through.

As a police officer, you are supposed to be trained to deal with situations in an appropriate manner, and shooting is not supposed to be your first option, if other options are available.

I’m sure you don’t care what my argument is, a white girl got killed, you think it was justice, I’m asking….revenge mentality? Seems that if you are ignoring the fact that other options should have been employed, you must be doing so out of some sort of spite.

Other options were employed.

This was the last barricade prior to the door to enter the House Chamber that the violent riotous mob busted through.

Given the context of the day and the violence that had already occurred and that she broke through the barrier and was wearing a backpack possibly containing an IED similar to that used on the Boston Marathon bombing, she presented a clear and present danger of death or serious bodily injury to law enforcement or members of Congress, their Staff, and civilians sill in the House Chamber.

People want to describe her in the context of being an individual, but the correct evaluation is the examine the action in terms of the context of the day.

WW

 

[Curried Goats]

At that point, babbit wasn’t attacking Byrd, she was coming through a window, where both her hands were occupied, bracing herself as she tried to get through.

As a police officer, you are supposed to be trained to deal with situations in an appropriate manner, and shooting is not supposed to be your first option, if other options are available.

I’m sure you don’t care what my argument is, a white girl got killed, you think it was justice, I’m asking….revenge mentality? Seems that if you are ignoring the fact that other options should have been employed, you must be doing so out of some sort of spite.

Facts are about objective truths and what you feel should of been is about your feelings.

 

[rightwinger]

She didn’t lead anyone lol..she was just there.

“Stop or I’ll shoot” isn’t the first action he could have taken. There were other options.

If you are going to say that what Byrd did was right, then you legitimize every white on black cop killing that has been in the news over the last few years.

Ashli was the first one through the window
That means she was in the lead

How many people should have been allowed into the Speaker chamber before police tried to stop them

 

[ThisIsMe]

Other options were employed.

This was the last barricade prior to the door to enter the House Chamber that the violent riotous mob busted through.

Given the context of the day and the violence that had already occurred and that she broke through the barrier and was wearing a backpack possibly containing an IED similar to that used on the Boston Marathon bombing, she presented a clear and present danger of death or serious bodily injury to law enforcement or members of Congress, their Staff, and civilians sill in the House Chamber.

People want to describe her in the context of being an individual, but the correct evaluation is the examine the action in terms of the context of the day.

WW

No other options were employed when it came to her. Yes, she had a backpack but her hands were not in that backpack, they were bracing her attempt to squeeze through the window.

This means, at the time Byrd shot her, she wasn’t reaching for anything and her body occupied the space of the window. All, taser, pepper spray, or a good solid push to the chest to push her back out of the window could have been tried.

Let’s also talk about the last barricade before the house floor. Do you really think anyone in there was ACTUALLY in any danger? You do know they have a whole underground system that runs between buildings, capitol police would have evacuated that chamber long before any of those rioters could have ever gotten to them.

If, however, the rioters had been able to get to them, then a lot of people would have lost their job because they are tasked with keeping them safe, and the safest option would have been the underground subway. Hell, I think they even have secure rooms underground that could have held them.


Of course…if you are going to tell me that shooting her was the only option because of the context of the day, then you cannot blame people who ran over people with their cars in the 2020 riots, for the exact same reason.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Facts are about objective truths and what you feel should have been is about your feelings.

Indeed. Are you suggesting that Byrd was justified in not trying to take any other preventative measures? Shoot to kill was the appropriate first action?

Think about this because your answer will validate a lot of other shootings…

 

[ThisIsMe]

Ashli was the first one through the window
That means she was in the lead

How many people should have been allowed into the Speaker chamber before police tried to stop them

She wasn’t “leading” anyone. Not in the sense of she was like, in charge or in the lead of the group.

None should have been allowed in the speakers chambers, at all..and a taser, or a few rounds of tear gas fired through that window would have cleared them all out nicely.

I mean, there are also non lethal rounds.

 

[rightwinger]

She wasn’t “leading” anyone. Not in the sense of she was like, in charge or in the lead of the group.

None should have been allowed in the speakers chambers, at all..and a taser, or a few rounds of tear gas fired through that window would have cleared them all out nicely.

I mean, there are also non lethal rounds.

Ashli led her TRUMPmob into the Speakers Chamber
Cost her life

 

[ThisIsMe]

Ashli led her TRUMPmob into the Speakers Chamber
Cost her life

So you’re saying that if an officer gives you an order to stop an action they feel is a threat to them and you don’t stop, they can kill you?

Likewise, if an angry mob of people are beating on someone’s car, and that person feels threatened and yells for them to stop, if they don’t, then that person has the right to kill them?

I’m trying to figure out where your line of right and wrong are here.

 

[pknopp]

Indeed. Are you suggesting that Byrd was justified in not trying to take any other preventative measures? Shoot to kill was the appropriate first action?

Think about this because your answer will validate a lot of other shootings…

Other shootings have long been validated by those who support Jan 6.

If not you, great but it has been done by many. I think many of the responses are the results of that.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Other shootings have long been validated by those who support Jan 6.

If not you, great but it has been done by many. I think many of the responses are the results of that.

I’m just saying…a couple cans of tear gas through that window and the corridor would have been cleared.


A taser would have stopped Babbitt.

I’m just saying there were other options. Had she gotten through the window and started looking like she was reaching for something in her backpack, then you shoot to kill.

 

[pknopp]

I’m just saying…a couple cans of tear gas through that window and the corridor would have been cleared.


A taser would have stopped Babbitt.

I’m just saying there were other options. Had she gotten through the window and started looking like she was reaching for something in her backpack, then you shoot to kill.

And many, many other instances can be pointed out where there was no need to kill but in the past those instances were largely supported by the Jan 6 crowd.

 

[rightwinger]

So you’re saying that if an officer gives you an order to stop an action they feel is a threat to them and you don’t stop, they can kill you?

Likewise, if an angry mob of people are beating on someone’s car, and that person feels threatened and yells for them to stop, if they don’t, then that person has the right to kill them?

I’m trying to figure out where your line of right and wrong are here.

Congress members were threatened by an angry mob
Lethal action was warranted

 

[rightwinger]

I’m just saying…a couple cans of tear gas through that window and the corridor would have been cleared.


A taser would have stopped Babbitt.

I’m just saying there were other options. Had she gotten through the window and started looking like she was reaching for something in her backpack, then you shoot to kill.

Do Capitol Police carry tear gas ?
Do they have gas masks?

A taser is useless against a mob

 

[WorldWatcher]

I’m just saying…a couple cans of tear gas through that window and the corridor would have been cleared.


A taser would have stopped Babbitt.

I’m just saying there were other options. Had she gotten through the window and started looking like she was reaching for something in her backpack, then you shoot to kill.

No there weren't "other options". What you think a plain clothed Police Lieutenant carries around a full kit of non-lethal alternatives with them? He had his service firearm and maybe a couple of spare magazines. That was it.

You post giving the impression that you choose to ignore the context of the situation as it existed and substitute a fantasy world not connected to the contextual reality of the moment in time.

I doubt of Lt. Byrd could have raise a finger and said to the violent riotous mob: "Hey could you all hold on for a little bit. I need to run down to the Armory and pick up a taser and some spare charge packs, tear gas grenades, and maybe a riot shotgun so I can load bean bag rounds. While I'm gone ya'll stay right here and not kill members of Congress. Can I pick up Starbucks for anyone on my way back?"

WW

 

[ThisIsMe]

And many, many other instances can be pointed out where there was no need to kill but in the past those instances were largely supported by the Jan 6 crowd.

I think some were and some weren’t justified and I defended those when they weren’t justified.

I defended Floyd and I defended Massey, and when I see instances when the police are clearly in the wrong, I’ll point that out. I seem to be the only one here who will cross lines like that

Still, those many many instance are not a justification for any other instance. There is right, and there is wrong, in this case, I think Byrd had other options. Remember, he wasn’t the only officer there.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Congress members were threatened by an angry mob
Lethal action was warranted

So you’re saying the life of a congressman is more valuable than anyone else’s? If an angry crowd is beating on your car in a riot, trying to break the windows, are you saying you are not justified in using lethal force, simply because you are not a member of Congress?

And no, the members of Congress were not under any threat…if they had been, then the police failed at their job long before the crowd showed up in that corridor.