Jury convicts DeLay in money-laundering case

[daveman]

This is why our system is screwed up. I think the new GOP Speaker, John Boehner passing out bribes on the House Floor and being video taped doing it is much, much worse.

And don't go asking me for links right wingers. You can go to Youtube and watch yourself.

We know better than to ask you for links, Skippy.

Why, it's the right wing that almost never posts links. And when they do, they are either stupid have nothing to do with what they are alleging or they support the other side.

But anyway, here's the link because you don't know how to use the "Internets".

To me, what Boehner did was much worse because it affects millions.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAC2xeT2yOg&feature[/ame]

What was illegal? I don't agree with the practice, and I hope Boehner meant it when he said he wouldn't do it again and that the practice must stop, but what was illegal?

Or do you want him to go to jail for being conservative?

Yes, I think that's more likely.

 

[Ava]

Austin news, sports, weather, Longhorns, business | Statesman.com

By Mike Ward and Laylan Copelin | Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 01:27 PM

Update: 5 p.m.:
Tom DeLay, the former U.S. House majority leader whose name became synonymous with the Republicans’ controversial rise to power in the Texas House, was found guilty today of laundering money in connection with the 2002 elections.

Jurors sent a note on yellow legal paper that a verdict had been reached to the judge at 4:46 p.m. They had deliberated since Monday afternoon.

DeLay was charged with money laundering and conspiracy to commit money. He faces a possible sentence of 5-99 years in prison and a maximum $10,000 fine on the money laundering charge, and 2-20 years in prison and a possible $10,000 fine on the conspiracy charge.

Prosecutors earlier said they believe the DeLay case is the first such criminal charge ever filed over Texas’ century-old prohibition on corporate contributions in state political races.
Delay, a Republican who was nicknamed “The Hammer” because of his heavy-handed style, was accused of conspiring to funnel $190,000 of corporate money through the Republican National Committee, which sent $190,000 in campaign donations to seven GOP candidates for the Texas House.

State law prohibits corporations from giving donations to candidates directly or indirectly.

Let us hope he is considered a Democrat, when his punishment is assessed...

 

[daveman]

A few minutes later, Mr. DeLay said outside the courtroom that he would appeal the decision. He called the prosecution a political vendetta by Democrats in the local district attorney’s office, and revenge for his role in orchestrating the 2003 redrawing of Congressional districts to elect more Republicans.

“This is an abuse of power,” he said. “It’s a miscarriage of justice. I still maintain my innocence. The criminalization of politics undermines our very system.”​

Oh, the irony!

Remember, folks...Republican gerrymandering is evil and wrong and bad. Democrats gerrymandering is good and just and serves the people.

 

[daveman]

He broke the law, and knew he was breaking the law, so I don't have any sympathy for Tom DeLay. Get all the crooks out of Congress.

 

[Synthaholic]

A few minutes later, Mr. DeLay said outside the courtroom that he would appeal the decision. He called the prosecution a political vendetta by Democrats in the local district attorney’s office, and revenge for his role in orchestrating the 2003 redrawing of Congressional districts to elect more Republicans.

“This is an abuse of power,” he said. “It’s a miscarriage of justice. I still maintain my innocence. The criminalization of politics undermines our very system.”​

Oh, the irony!

Remember, folks...Republican gerrymandering is evil and wrong and bad. Democrats gerrymandering is good and just and serves the people.

Who has said that, stalker dave?

 

[sangha]

A few minutes later, Mr. DeLay said outside the courtroom that he would appeal the decision. He called the prosecution a political vendetta by Democrats in the local district attorney’s office, and revenge for his role in orchestrating the 2003 redrawing of Congressional districts to elect more Republicans.

“This is an abuse of power,” he said. “It’s a miscarriage of justice. I still maintain my innocence. The criminalization of politics undermines our very system.”​

Oh, the irony!

Remember, folks...Republican gerrymandering is evil and wrong and bad. Democrats gerrymandering is good and just and serves the people.

Umm, Delay was convicted of money laundering, not gerrymadering.

 

[Synthaholic]

A few minutes later, Mr. DeLay said outside the courtroom that he would appeal the decision. He called the prosecution a political vendetta by Democrats in the local district attorney’s office, and revenge for his role in orchestrating the 2003 redrawing of Congressional districts to elect more Republicans.

“This is an abuse of power,” he said. “It’s a miscarriage of justice. I still maintain my innocence. The criminalization of politics undermines our very system.”​

Oh, the irony!

Remember, folks...Republican gerrymandering is evil and wrong and bad. Democrats gerrymandering is good and just and serves the people.

Umm, Delay was convicted of money laundering, not gerrymadering.

He's a clueless hyper-partisan, always ready to move goalposts when he's not flat-out lying.

 

[Dante]

Yeah, he was convicted by a leftwinger than totally tailored the evidence to suit himself.

Cool. You lefties are looking brighter than two shades of darkness.

Are you trolling or really as ignorant and full of hate as you seem?

I think Gunny might be just pointing out how much this Thread has in common with a Klan Rally or Lynching. I feel the Blood Lust.... don't you???

I smelled blood and just had to stop by.

 

[goldcatt]

Yeah, he was convicted by a leftwinger than totally tailored the evidence to suit himself.

Cool. You lefties are looking brighter than two shades of darkness.

Are you trolling or really as ignorant and full of hate as you seem?

I think Gunny might be just pointing out how much this Thread has in common with a Klan Rally or Lynching. I feel the Blood Lust.... don't you???

From a few, perhaps. I haven't read the whole thread from the beginning but most folks whose posts I've read seem pretty reasonable about it. Do the crime, do the time. Partisan crybaby excuses are a cop out.

I'm happy when anybody on either side goes down for proven corruption. Wish it happened a lot more often.

 

[Intense]

Are you trolling or really as ignorant and full of hate as you seem?

I think Gunny might be just pointing out how much this Thread has in common with a Klan Rally or Lynching. I feel the Blood Lust.... don't you???

From a few, perhaps. I haven't read the whole thread from the beginning but most folks whose posts I've read seem pretty reasonable about it. Do the crime, do the time. Partisan crybaby excuses are a cop out.

I'm happy when anybody on either side goes down for proven corruption. Wish it happened a lot more often.

On disputed evidence and claim.

 

[goldcatt]

I think Gunny might be just pointing out how much this Thread has in common with a Klan Rally or Lynching. I feel the Blood Lust.... don't you???

From a few, perhaps. I haven't read the whole thread from the beginning but most folks whose posts I've read seem pretty reasonable about it. Do the crime, do the time. Partisan crybaby excuses are a cop out.

I'm happy when anybody on either side goes down for proven corruption. Wish it happened a lot more often.

On disputed evidence and claim.

I have no idea what that means, sorry. Through the due process of the appropriate court system is all I ask.

 

[Intense]

From a few, perhaps. I haven't read the whole thread from the beginning but most folks whose posts I've read seem pretty reasonable about it. Do the crime, do the time. Partisan crybaby excuses are a cop out.

I'm happy when anybody on either side goes down for proven corruption. Wish it happened a lot more often.

On disputed evidence and claim.

I have no idea what that means, sorry. Through the due process of the appropriate court system is all I ask.

I have no problem with consistent due process either. We will just have to wait and see.

 

[Trajan]

A few minutes later, Mr. DeLay said outside the courtroom that he would appeal the decision. He called the prosecution a political vendetta by Democrats in the local district attorney’s office, and revenge for his role in orchestrating the 2003 redrawing of Congressional districts to elect more Republicans.

“This is an abuse of power,” he said. “It’s a miscarriage of justice. I still maintain my innocence. The criminalization of politics undermines our very system.”​

Oh, the irony!

Remember, folks...Republican gerrymandering is evil and wrong and bad. Democrats gerrymandering is good and just and serves the people.

just wait. next year based on the census etc. which I am sure those numbers alone will be debated and mangled, 'enumeration' being the newly frocked uber parsed word of the year , redistricting begins in 42 (?) states.

The gnashing of teeth will be great as the rep. gains have give them a huge leg up they have not had for many decades.

I wish the system would go away, but hey it their turn in the barrel now.

 

[Gadawg73]

A few minutes later, Mr. DeLay said outside the courtroom that he would appeal the decision. He called the prosecution a political vendetta by Democrats in the local district attorney’s office, and revenge for his role in orchestrating the 2003 redrawing of Congressional districts to elect more Republicans.

“This is an abuse of power,” he said. “It’s a miscarriage of justice. I still maintain my innocence. The criminalization of politics undermines our very system.”​

Oh, the irony!

Remember, folks...Republican gerrymandering is evil and wrong and bad. Democrats gerrymandering is good and just and serves the people.

Where wasany of that in the indictment or charges he was convicted of?
You do know there was a jury that convicted him, don't you?

 

[Gadawg73]

I think Gunny might be just pointing out how much this Thread has in common with a Klan Rally or Lynching. I feel the Blood Lust.... don't you???

From a few, perhaps. I haven't read the whole thread from the beginning but most folks whose posts I've read seem pretty reasonable about it. Do the crime, do the time. Partisan crybaby excuses are a cop out.

I'm happy when anybody on either side goes down for proven corruption. Wish it happened a lot more often.

On disputed evidence and claim.

Well no shit. His attorneys disputed all of the evidence and claim. Well, I will be damned. What a surprise. Never knew defense lawyers would ever use such a tactic to defend their client.
Did you hear all of the evidence presented, every single word as the jury did?
Monday morning QB that threw 5 INTs the day before.
Would you have disputed the jury verdict IF he would have been found not guilty of all charges?
Do you know that what he did is a violation of the law by statute?
What should a jury do when someone is indicted, the evidence proves they violated the law and there was no defense to the charges?
Let them go because Johnny, Suzy and Mary have done the same thing?
Pitiful.

 

[goldcatt]

A few minutes later, Mr. DeLay said outside the courtroom that he would appeal the decision. He called the prosecution a political vendetta by Democrats in the local district attorney’s office, and revenge for his role in orchestrating the 2003 redrawing of Congressional districts to elect more Republicans.

“This is an abuse of power,” he said. “It’s a miscarriage of justice. I still maintain my innocence. The criminalization of politics undermines our very system.”​

Oh, the irony!

Remember, folks...Republican gerrymandering is evil and wrong and bad. Democrats gerrymandering is good and just and serves the people.

Where wasany of that in the indictment or charges he was convicted of?
You do know there was a jury that convicted him, don't you?

I'd have to look it up and I'm on the fly in between trips to the kitchen. But there was at least one case brought in Federal Court challenging the TX redistricting scheme. Delay wasn't a sitting Legislator, he was only a power behind the throne. So I want to say he wasn't involved in the challenge.

Dang, now I'll have to go look it up.....it's been a long time since I saw that case.

But the bottom line is it's pretty rare for a gerrymandering challenge to win. It has to be discriminatory along other Equal Protection lines, race being a big one. And even then there's no guarantee. There are no really significant rules against it on the Federal level. Some States are dealing with redistricting individually, by doing things like appointing separate bipartisan redistricting commissions rather than leaving it up to the elected partisans. I hope that sort of thing catches on.

 

[goldcatt]

On disputed evidence and claim.

I have no idea what that means, sorry. Through the due process of the appropriate court system is all I ask.

I have no problem with consistent due process either. We will just have to wait and see.

Consistent due process appropriate for the venue is what must be used, and it's what is required. Anything else is extraneous.

This will go on to appeal, it will work its way through the process, and the end result will be what it will be. I don't know enough about the details to know what they might base their appeal on, but I'm sure they'll file one. It's probably already at least mostly in the bag.

 

[Avatar4321]

Id expect an appeal. Its been a while since i actually cared about this case. But i remember looking over what the statutes actually said when it was big news. I dont think the statutes can support the conviction if I remember right.

Like I said, it's been a while. I just want justice served. If Delay broke the law, he should be convicted. If he didn't, and he is being railroaded because of politics, that should be overturned.

Either way, Im glad he is out of politics right now. Now if we can just get rid of our current crop of corrupt politicians.

 

[rdean]

We know better than to ask you for links, Skippy.

Why, it's the right wing that almost never posts links. And when they do, they are either stupid have nothing to do with what they are alleging or they support the other side.

But anyway, here's the link because you don't know how to use the "Internets".

To me, what Boehner did was much worse because it affects millions.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAC2xeT2yOg&feature[/ame]

What was illegal? I don't agree with the practice, and I hope Boehner meant it when he said he wouldn't do it again and that the practice must stop, but what was illegal?

Or do you want him to go to jail for being conservative?

Yes, I think that's more likely.

Of course it's not illegal. It's unethical. I have to admit, I never met a Republican bothered by ethics. Seriously, the first thing they ask is, "Is it illegal", then they say, "Well, OK then". As if anything not illegal is OK.

This is why Republicans are the party of "Deregulation". So that anything becomes "legal".

I was watching an old movie the other night staring Bette Davis called, "Little Foxes". One Character said there were people that eats up the whole earth and not give anything back. Their entire lives are just to take. That's how I see the Republicans leadership. To transfer wealth from the middle class. Their goal is to take every penny they can. Nothing but greed. And most of the base agrees. Why? Because they dream of taking that last penny just like the leadership.

This is where the "every man for himself" mentality kicks in. The call it "socialism". But communist Russia was socialism. China is socialism. Republicans have turned helping other Americans into dirty words. Some Republicans try to soothe their conscience by saying, "See how much we give?". But look at what they give, charity. Cans of old creamed corn in the back of the pantry no one wants.

I could never belong to such an awful political party. The party of "greed". The base knows it. They applaud it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I think Gunny might be just pointing out how much this Thread has in common with a Klan Rally or Lynching. I feel the Blood Lust.... don't you???

From a few, perhaps. I haven't read the whole thread from the beginning but most folks whose posts I've read seem pretty reasonable about it. Do the crime, do the time. Partisan crybaby excuses are a cop out.

I'm happy when anybody on either side goes down for proven corruption. Wish it happened a lot more often.

On disputed evidence and claim.

The evidence met the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt, otherwise the jury would not have convicted Delay.
That's a fact, to argue otherwise, especially when you were not in the jury box and heard all of the testimony, is at the very best disingenuous.