Judge Cannon weighs dismissal of Trump classified documents case

[LeroyDumonde]

You quoted no law that proves this is the fault of the Archivist, nor will you. Not ever. Sorry.

I quoted the law which says that it's the Archivist's responsibility. You can pretend all you want that the law doesn't exist, but it does.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I quoted the law which says that it's the Archivist's responsibility. You can pretend all you want that the law doesn't exist, but it does.

False. Sorry.

The archive met all of its responsibilities when it identified the materials and requested they be returned. And also when they referred the orange pile of shit to the FBI for refusing for 15 months.

 

[Care4all]

As soon as the President leaves office the Archivist, not the President, is responsible. The Archivist was derelict in his duty. He needs to be investigated for any crimes he may have committed.

Trump took his presidential records with him instead of turning them over to the Archives, as required.

How could the archives be responsible for records they never received Leroy? I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump took his presidential records with him instead of turning them over to the Archives, as required.

How could the archives be responsible for records they never received Leroy? I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say?

The cultists just don't have any concept of or grasp on the fact that Trump broke all the rules.

What he is doing amounts to blaming the librarian for not re-shelving a book that the borrower stole and didn't return. It's very stupid.

 

[Coyote]

And once he leaves office the Archivist is responsible. So the Archivist dropped the ball, not just with Trump, but with Pence and Biden (as far back as when Biden was a Senator). Who else has classified material that the Archivist lost track of? At best this is gross negligence.

The archivist did not. The president is responsible for insuring all material gets turned over to the archivist.. When the archivist found stuff was missing, he did the appeopriate thing and requested it to be turned over. It is unlikely the archivist is aware of every single document. Where the ball was dropped was at multiple levels when it came to the handling of classified documents. Responsibility however, lies with the person who took the documents.

 

[MagicMike]

Merrick Garland is a dangerous radical left extremist AG.

Oh bullshit!
That is not Garlands reputation. That is just shit you Trumptard MAGAts make up for anyone who doesn't kiss up to your felonious cult god.

 

[Care4all]

False. Sorry.

The archive met all of its responsibilities when it identified the materials and requested they be returned. And also when they referred the orange pile of shit to the FBI for refusing for 15 months.

They actually did not turn him over for that! I recently read a detailed article on it....

The FBI were not pulled in to the trump PRA fight with the archives to retrieve them.

When Trump in late January of 2022 came to an agreement with the archives to return 15 cases of presidential records, the Archives began sorting through them to organize and Catalogue by date and topic etc the records for storage and future FOIA Requests down the road,

the Archivists found Marked Classified Documents spread throughout the 15 cases of presidential records, around 80 documents if memory serves and many were designated Top Secret.

It is protocol for the Archives to notify the Doj/FBI when top secret documents are found so that they can assess if there was any intelligence damage... Which is what the Archives did... They simply followed protocol....

When Hillary turned her emails over to the state initially, the Inspector General reviewing them, found 4 email chains of her staffers discussing top secret info, and under the same rules as the Archives, the IG was required to notify the DOJ/FBI so they could assess the situation and if there was any intel damage from it....

Trumpers are trying to blame the archives, and blame Biden for getting the FBI involved blah blah blah blah blah to get the presidential records back, and that simply was not the case.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They actually did not turn him over for that! I recently read a detailed article on it....

The FBI were not pulled in to the trump PRA fight with the archives to retrieve them.

When Trump in late January of 2022 came to an agreement with the archives to return 15 cases of presidential records, the Archives began sorting through them to organize and Catalogue by date and topic etc the records for storage and future FOIA Requests down the road,

the Archivists found Marked Classified Documents spread throughout the 15 cases of presidential records, around 80 documents if memory serves and many were designated Top Secret.

It is protocol for the Archives to notify the Doj/FBI when top secret documents are found so that they can assess if there was any intelligence damage... Which is what the Archives did... They simply followed protocol....

When Hillary turned her emails over to the state initially, the Inspector General reviewing them, found 4 email chains of her staffers discussing top secret info, and under the same rules as the Archives, the IG was required to notify the DOJ/FBI so they could assess the situation and if there was any intel damage from it....

Trumpers are trying to blame the archives, and blame Biden for getting the FBI involved blah blah blah blah blah to get the presidential records back, and that simply was not the case.

Yes, all true. But still, from 2022:

National Archives seeks Justice Department investigation of Trump's handling of White House documents

The National Archives has asked the Department of Justice to investigate former President Donald Trump's handling of White House records, according to a source familiar with the matter.

www.cnn.com

National Archives seeks Justice Department investigation of Trump’s handling of White House documents​

The National Archives has asked the Department of Justice to investigate former President Donald Trump’s handling of White House records, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The source said the Archives is seeking a review of whether Trump violated the Presidential Records Act, which requires that all records created by presidents be turned over to the National Archives at the end of their administrations, and other possible violations, including the handling of classified information.

It is not clear if the Justice Department will launch a formal investigation


(It's pretty clear now)

 

[Care4all]

Yes, all true. But still, from 2022:

National Archives seeks Justice Department investigation of Trump's handling of White House documents

The National Archives has asked the Department of Justice to investigate former President Donald Trump's handling of White House records, according to a source familiar with the matter.

www.cnn.com

National Archives seeks Justice Department investigation of Trump’s handling of White House documents​

The National Archives has asked the Department of Justice to investigate former President Donald Trump’s handling of White House records, according to a source familiar with the matter.

The source said the Archives is seeking a review of whether Trump violated the Presidential Records Act, which requires that all records created by presidents be turned over to the National Archives at the end of their administrations, and other possible violations, including the handling of classified information.

It is not clear if the Justice Department will launch a formal investigation


(It's pretty clear now)

Quite clear now!

That article was too early on to really know what was going on....!

This article goes over the timeline.... It's a pretty good article! And certainly refreshed my memory on several things, including forgotten ones!

Timeline: The government's efforts to get sensitive documents back from Trump's Mar-a-Lago

Here's a look at the events that have transpired over the course of the government's attempts to get back the documents, culminating in Trump's indictment.

www.cbsnews.com

POLITICS

Timeline: The government's efforts to get sensitive documents back from Trump's Mar-​

Feb. 7: The Archives confirms that in mid-January, it arranged for the 15 boxes containing presidential records to be transported from Mar-a-Lago to the agency. It says Trump's representatives are "continuing to search" for more records that belong to the Archives and notes that under federal law, they should've been transferred from the White House at the end of the Trump administration.
Feb. 9: The Archives' Office of the Inspector General sends a referral to the Justice Department requesting it investigate Trump's handling of records. The referral notes a preliminary review of the 15 boxes taken from Mar-a-Lago indicated they contained newspapers, printed news articles, photos, notes, presidential correspondence and "a lot of classified records."
"Of most significant concern was that highly classified records were unfoldered, intermixed with other records, and otherwise unproperly [sic] identified," the referral stated.
Feb. 18: David Ferriero, then-archivist of the United States, sends a letter to House Oversight and Reform Committee Chairwoman Carolyn Maloney informing her some of the boxes retrieved by the Archives in mid-January contained items marked as classified national security information, and asked Trump's representatives to continue searching for any additional presidential records that had not been transferred to the Archives.
Ferriero tells Maloney that because the Archives identified classified information in the boxes, its staff had been in communication with the Justice Department.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Presidential Records (44 U.S.C. Chapter 22)

(44 U.S.C. Chapter 22) § 2201. Definitions § 2202. Ownership of Presidential records § 2203. Management and custody of Presidential records § 2204. Restrictions on access to Presidential records § 2205. Exceptions to restricted access § 2206. Regulations § 2207. Vice-Presidential records § Note...

www.archives.gov

Just to correct a misstatement of fact made earlier.

It is the Presidents responsibility to maintain control of Presidential Records during the President's term of office not the Archivists. The President may ask for help, but it is his/her office that is responsibile.

At the end of the term the Archivist assumes responsibility for records surrendered by the President. If the President fails to surrender the documents and the Archivist finds out, then the President is at fault and the Archivist works to retrieve those documents.

Which is exactly what happened with FPOTUS#45. And because of, after months and months of requests, FPOTUS#45 returned (IIRC) 15 boxes of documents, and those documents contained classified materials the FBI was called into investigate the situation.

WW

 

[Coyote]

Merrick Garland is a dangerous radical left extremist AG.

More delusional MAGA ”reality”.

 

[Coyote]

Yeah, but they treated Trump DIFFERENTLY than every other President.
That's wrong no matter what you say, Bob.

No. Trump dug his own grave on this one. They bent over backwards to quietly get the records returned. He wouldn’t.

That was not the case with Biden or Pence.

 

[Coyote]

Where Obama is in complete control of them, just as Biden is in complete control of the records he sent to the University of Delaware to be hidden away from his victim of alleged sexual assault.

That is a diversion and more than a bit untrue.

 

[Coyote]

The law says that once the President's term ends the Archivist is responsible.

It's the Archivist's job to know what documents exist.

You are twisting yourself into a pretzel to avoid laying responsibility where it belongs: the president.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

More delusional MAGA ”reality”.

Garland's needless banana republic style raid on Trump's Mara Lago estate is what a dangerous radical left extremist does.
Garland branding parents who criticize school policies as domestic terrorists is what a dangerous radical left extremist does.
Garland censoring whistle blowers is what a dangerous radical left extremist does.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

You are twisting yourself into a pretzel to avoid laying responsibility where it belongs: the president.

There's no twisting. I'm simply pointing out that the law explicitly states that at the end of the President's term responsibility for possession is with the Archivist, not the President.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There's no twisting. I'm simply pointing out that the law explicitly states that at the end of the President's term responsibility for possession is with the Archivist, not the President.

Which is obviously wrong and stupid, as it was the orange criminal's responsibility to return classified materials that didn't belong to him, when asked to do so.

 

[Coyote]

Garland's needless banana republic style raid on Trump's Mara Lago estate is what a dangerous radical left extremist does.

Let’s check that claim shall we? How many opportunities were given to Trump to quietly and confidentially return the records which included highly classified material? How many?

Is taking our country’s national security seriously “dangerous radical left extremism”…?

Is politely and discreetly asking for their return “dangerous radical left extremism”…?

Garland branding parents who criticize school policies as domestic terrorists is what a dangerous radical left extremist does.

It would be but that wasn’t who he was referring to unless you consider people who make death threats, threaten families, stalk or assault people to be “criticizing school policy”.

Garland censoring whistle blowers is what a dangerous radical left extremist does.

What “whistle blower”?

As I recall, based on how Vindman was treated…this is something the right likes to do isn’t it?

 

[Coyote]

There's no twisting. I'm simply pointing out that the law explicitly states that at the end of the President's term responsibility for possession is with the Archivist, not the President.

The lengths you folks go to avoid holding Trump accountable is awe inspiring.

 

[Chillicothe]

Garland's needless banana republic style raid on Trump's Mara Lago estate is what a dangerous radical left extremist does.

Link?
Link from a credible informed source.

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Garland branding parents who criticize school policies as domestic terrorists is what a dangerous radical left extremist does.

Link?
A link from a credible informed source.
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Garland censoring whistle blowers is what a dangerous radical left extremist does.

I do not know what the poster is referencing.
So, would he share with the forum a link from a credible informed source?
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Please help us believe you are credible and honorable.
Lest the forum concludes we got an 'all hat, no cows' cowboy.
So, whatcha got there, earnest poster Troggle?