TemplarKormac
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Apparently you did to make the assertion that what you quoted me was a legal basis for his ruling.
Judge blocks Trump administration’s mass firings of federal workers
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Seymour Flops
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You know Democrats have no case or logical argument when they use supposedly dramatic language like that.
I don't know that there is a statute that says that Human Resources of an organization can fire people.
Why would HR need a statute like that?
TheInfiniteSadness
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1st and 3rd base
TemplarKormac
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Who's on 1st?
excalibur
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This was more judge shopping, they either get a Clinton, Obama, or Biden judge in nearly every one of these matters.
pknopp
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If they don't have the legal right to fire them, it is.
TemplarKormac
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If they are employees of the executive, then it is well within their authority. Congress cannot dictate to the executive whom to fire and when. It's not like you need congressional funds to fire someone in the government.
excalibur
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According to the left/Democrats, no one can fire these Federal bureaucrat hacks. Think about it.
1srelluc
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The SF judge with soon be overruled or maybe it will just brush up on Article II and then back off.
Roberts sent a shot across the lower judges bow yesterday.
They keep it up and....
Roberts sent a shot across the lower judges bow yesterday.
They keep it up and....
Which is of course complete bullshit.
No one requires a statute to fire an employee. Duh.
Stryder50
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POTUS signs the checks that Congress writes.
NewsVine_Mariyam
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For those questioning the rulings of these judges, I'm neither a judge or a lawyer but I posted weeks ago, when Trump/Musk et al first began their hatchet job that what they were doing is, in all likelihood, not lawful. And I wasn't even aware then that federal workers are not "at-will" employees...and here we go with the judicial challenges..this will be the theme of Trump's presidency--endlessly~
Judge finds mass firings of federal probationary workers were likely unlawful
A federal judge in San Francisco finds the mass firings of probationary employees were likely unlawful.apnews.com
A federal judge in San Francisco on Thursday found that the mass firings of probationary employees were likely unlawful, granting some temporary relief to a coalition of labor unions and organizations that has sued to stop the Trump administration’s massive trimming of the federal workforce.
U.S. District Judge William Alsup ordered the Office of Personnel Management to inform certain federal agencies that it had no authority to order the firings of probationary employees, including the Department of Defense.
“OPM does not have any authority whatsoever, under any statute in the history of the universe,” to hire or fire any employees but its own, he said.
Alsup handed down the order on a temporary restraining order sought by labor unions and nonprofits in a lawsuit filed by the coalition filed last week.
The complaint filed by five labor unions and five nonprofit organizations is among multiple lawsuits pushing back on the administration’s efforts to vastly shrink the federal workforce, which Trump has called bloated and sloppy. Thousands of probationary employees have already been fired and his administration is now aiming at career officials with civil service protection.
The plaintiffs say the Office of Personnel Management had no authority to terminate the jobs of probationary workers who generally have less than a year on the job. They also say the firings were predicated on a lie of poor performance by the workers.
The workers have not done anything to warrant being treated his way, having their rights trampled on by a bunch of strangers, and the judges are just ruling according to the laws governing federal employment.
It's patently obvious that you all know absolutely nothing about how our legal system works and why Trump et al are still required to operate within the law.
Most of these judges would not be qualified to give good retorts in a neighborhood kitchen tale coffee clack among friends. Republicans are doing the dirty work that on both sides politicians spewed they would do for decades.
No they're not.
Employment is not a right.
Federal workers aren't "entitled" to anything, except a good swift kick in the ass on the way out the door.
Why don't you explain it to us.
(This oughta be good).
NewsVine_Mariyam
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The article goes into detail about why he ruled the way he did but if you want to see what the order says and the law he's referenced, here's the result of a Google search I did:
American Federation of Government Employees et al. v. Trump et al., filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California. The case number is 3:25-cv-01780.
3:25-cv-01780
They are not OPM's employees. They work for different agencies, and the agency or Department of gov't they work for, can fire them.....not another department or agency that they don't work for..... Pretty simple to understand.
The department or agency that hired them, is the dept or agency that has to fire them.
Suddenly leftards are sticklers for procedure?
Leftards are the kings of astroturf. Hollywood. Show trials. FBI raids with the media in tow. Show biz. Fake reality.
A federal judge in San Francisco on Thursday found that the mass firings of probationary employees were likely unlawful?
I kinda disagree.
If they want to fire "probationary" government employees, they should lead by example.
A short list.
Fire:
Elon Musk
RFK Jr.
Pete Hegseth
Kash Patel
Steven Miller
Kristi Noem
Pam Bondi
Linda McMahon
Tulsi Gabbard
Dr. (LOL) Oz
Little Marco
I kinda disagree.
If they want to fire "probationary" government employees, they should lead by example.
A short list.
Fire:
Elon Musk
RFK Jr.
Pete Hegseth
Kash Patel
Steven Miller
Kristi Noem
Pam Bondi
Linda McMahon
Tulsi Gabbard
Dr. (LOL) Oz
Little Marco
Mac-7
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The judge pulled it out of his partisan liberal ass
Seymour Flops
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I didn't know about that, thanks for pointing it out!The SF judge with soon be overruled or maybe it will just brush up on Article II and then back off.
Roberts sent a shot across the lower judges bow yesterday.
They keep it up and....
Chief justice halts lower court decision ordering Trump administration to pay State Department, USAID contractors
A federal district judge ordered the Trump administration to pay invoices and funding requests to State Department and USAID contractors by 11:59 p.m. Wednesday.
www.cbsnews.com
That's it for you, Democrats. Your dream of the courts somehow running the executive died yesterday.
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