JP Morgan's $19m-a-year boss under fire for 'opulent' Christmas card

[BillyZane]

19m a year JP Morgan boss Jamie Dimon under fire over tasteless Christmas card that shows off his wealth | Mail Online

1) Should JP Morgan have done this?

2) Was the CEO an idiot?

3) Does the image sympathize with conservative ideas about showing off wealth?

4) Does the image sympathize with liberal ideas about destroying social values which allow free markets to become successful?

To be clear, I've discussed this with some socialists, and their answer was talking about how capitalism contains the seeds of its own demise, and what could you expect from a CEO who doesn't appreciate how working class people have to struggle in order to make ends meet.

Shouldn't a Christmas card have something about Christmas in it?

That looked more like a "dumb shit with too much money" card to me

Other than that, meh...

 

[Daktoria]

Oops.


To idiots like Swallow anyone who has made something of himself is a conservative.

You're assuming ideology and party politics are the same thing.

Another example of this is how neoconservatism stands for the self-determination of Jews through Zionist foreign policy.

However, Jews vote 70-80% Democrat.

If the Republican party got rid of of neoconservatives, the right would look very different than it does today. Heck, many leftists would probably vote Republican instead because they weren't worried about associating with "Judeo-Christian tradition" as much.

I'm assuming that someone who donates to the Democratic Party and calls himself a Democrat is not a conservative, esp someone from the northeast.
What Jews or Zionism has to do with anything is beyond me. Dimon's grandfather was Greek.
I think you're either stoned whenever you post here or are inordinately stupid.

I think you don't understand the value of an example.

In any case, just because someone's a Democrat doesn't mean someone's not a conservative.

In fact, there used to be a counter-coalition to what I described before as well:

Blue Dog Coalition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some conservatives understand that the Republican party is so infected that it's better to work with the opposing party to get things done.

 

[boedicca]

There are two kinds of people in the world:

Those who spend an inordinate amount of timing fussing about how others live and those who focus on living their own lives.

Exactly. Some people are so self-absorbed by just living their own lives that they don't bother fussing about their public displays of decadence.

Free markets depend on respect, and that includes self-respect. Jamie Dimon isn't respecting himself. He's just conceding to those who want to destroy the principles which ground the free market. Those principles require eternal vigilance by everyone. Self-absorbed people like Jamie Dimon need not apply.

Are you 13?

 

[Daktoria]

Are you saying I'm immature because I appreciate the ideals behind the free market?

 

[The Rabbi]

Are you saying I'm immature because I appreciate the ideals behind the free market?

No. You're immature because you post lies and irrelevant crap. Either that or you're stoned whenever you post. Or maybe terminally stupid. My money is on all 3.

 

[Daktoria]

Do you want to construct consensus or deny the obvious and assert the inane?

Anyone can say another is lying and being irrelevant, including liars who say irrelevant things themselves.

 

[MikeK]

America is desperately in need of a substantial infusion of socialist policies because people like Jamie Dimon belong in prison rather than flaunting the wealth he's managed to accumulate via systematically criminal and immoral means. But the real tragedy is how many ordinary individuals will vigorously defend the kind of insatiable greed that motivates this kind of gluttonous, exploitative hoarding.

Emails Prove JPMorgan Committed Massive Mortgage*Fraud - Home - The Daily Bail

These defenders of modern-day robber barons represent a putrid sickness in contemporary American society. They are the equivalent of pus oozing from a festering sore.

 

[Daktoria]

America is desperately in need of a substantial infusion of socialist policies because people like Jamie Dimon belong in prison rather than flaunting the wealth he's managed to accumulate via systematically criminal and immoral means. But the real tragedy is how many ordinary individuals will vigorously defend the kind of insatiable greed that motivates this kind of gluttonous, exploitative hoarding.

Emails Prove JPMorgan Committed Massive Mortgage*Fraud - Home - The Daily Bail

These defenders of modern-day robber barons represent a putrid sickness in contemporary American society. They are the equivalent of pus oozing from a festering sore.

I'll agree that behaviors like Dimon's socially alienate people from relating with the means of production through commodity fetishism, but socialism is not the answer.

Socialism defines the means of production according to concrete labor's interpretation of use value, not abstract labor's interpretation of exchange value. In essence, socialists are just like ruggedly individualist conservatives who deny the individuality of creative thinking and problem solving. They ignore how what's useful is subjective, so they're intolerant of who people are on the inside that counts.

Likewise, many socialists acknowledge society as natural which is just like those practically traditional conservatives who appeal to folk community common sense as an excuse to expect people to be normal.

That's what Dimon's problem here is. His decadence denies the creative thinking of the things he's destroying as if it should be anti-intellectually run down to normalcy. He denies his own individuality as well, insisting on socially alienating himself from relating with the means of production.

As the article says, his critics call him "tone deaf".

 

[MikeK]

America is desperately in need of a substantial infusion of socialist policies because people like Jamie Dimon belong in prison rather than flaunting the wealth he's managed to accumulate via systematically criminal and immoral means. But the real tragedy is how many ordinary individuals will vigorously defend the kind of insatiable greed that motivates this kind of gluttonous, exploitative hoarding.

Emails Prove JPMorgan Committed Massive Mortgage*Fraud - Home - The Daily Bail

These defenders of modern-day robber barons represent a putrid sickness in contemporary American society. They are the equivalent of pus oozing from a festering sore.

I'll agree that behaviors like Dimon's socially alienate people from relating with the means of production through commodity fetishism, but socialism is not the answer.

Socialism defines the means of production according to concrete labor's interpretation of use value, not abstract labor's interpretation of exchange value. In essence, socialists are just like ruggedly individualist conservatives who deny the individuality of creative thinking and problem solving. They ignore how what's useful is subjective, so they're intolerant of who people are on the inside that counts.

Likewise, many socialists acknowledge society as natural which is just like those practically traditional conservatives who appeal to folk community common sense as an excuse to expect people to be normal.

That's what Dimon's problem here is. His decadence denies the creative thinking of the things he's destroying as if it should be anti-intellectually run down to normalcy. He denies his own individuality as well, insisting on socially alienating himself from relating with the means of production.

As the article says, his critics call him "tone deaf".

Socialism is a broadly debatable topic which I am neither willing nor able to discuss in depth or to hyper-intellectualize about. So please note that I did not recommend adopting a socialist system, per se, but rather imposing certain socialist policies in the interest of protecting the stability of our economy from predators like Dimon and ensuring the equitable (not equal) distribution of our Nation's wealth resources.

Briefly stated, I strongly support a capitalist system -- but only when regulated by certain essential socialist policies.

 

[Vox]

the usual whinies whine again.

the photo is idiotic, but not because they "play tennis" inside the house, which they obviously do not, it's a photoshop with the balls, but the photo to pose as a Christmas card?

as to being "tone deaf" - the usual idiots are idiots as usual ( pun intended) - as if Dimon sends Christmas cards with wishes to the beggars at the street corners

The recipients are in the same range of wealth.

 

[whitehall]

Jamie Dimon, conservative hero, presided over one of the biggest losses in History..

9 Billion dollars.

In conservatives terms? That's a win!

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/jpmorgan-trading-loss-may-reach-9-billion/?_r=0

When are radical lefties going to get it through their pretty little empty heads that Barry Hussein is president, not the GOP? Morgan & Chase contributed about a million to the Hussein campaign. The left never tires of searching for examples of excessive standards of living by corporate CEO's but ignores the golf outings by the president each of which costs more (taxpayer) money in transportation and security than the lavish salary of corporate CEO's. Corporations ain't your enemy lefties. Big thoughtless thankless government bureaucracy is.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Jamie Dimon, conservative hero, presided over one of the biggest losses in History..

9 Billion dollars.

In conservatives terms? That's a win!

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/jpmorgan-trading-loss-may-reach-9-billion/?_r=0

Jamie Dimon the Democrat?

 

[depotoo]

Dimon, JPMorgan Chase Have History with Senate's Banking Panel - OpenSecrets Blog Dimon, JPMorgan Chase Have History with Senate's Banking Panel

Dimon has a long record of contributing to congressional candidates, primarily Democrats. In the*2012 election cycle*he has given $6,800 to Democratic candidates and $4,500 to Republicans. Among the recipients are committee members*Bob Corker(R-TN) and*Mark Warner*(D-VA). Dimon has also contributed to the top Republican and the top Democrat on the committee, though not for several years: both*Richard Shelby(R-AL) and Chairman*Tim Johnson*(D-SD) received $2,000 from Dimon in 2008.That campaign cycle*was Dimon's most significant as a donor. He gave the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee more than $55,000 dollars and sent thousands to multiple current members of the Banking Committee:*Jack Reed*(D-RI),*Mike Crapo*(R-ID) and*Mark Warner*(D-VA) each received $2,000.*

I wouldn't say all conservatives would call him a winner, but there are lots of conservatives who dismiss the value of heritage behind rugged individualism. They're OK with other people suffering and calling them useless members of society while behaving provocatively.

 

[GWV5903]

I had to look at the original article because I couldnt believe Dimon, who has done a superb job at Morgan, got fired.
Yup. He wasn't. The thread titel is a lie. There was nothing wrong with what he did. The Left needs to mind its own damn business.

...so you believe free markets can be preserved while the principles which justify them are gradually corroded away?

The left is minding its own business. The right is self-destructing.

Really? This thread must have been started by your evil twin?!?!

So you can sit in judgment of what he does, the card is more a point to his love for tennis, I do understand that is beyond your grasp though, many things are beyond your grasp...

You need to put the pipe down...

 

[The Rabbi]

I had to look at the original article because I couldnt believe Dimon, who has done a superb job at Morgan, got fired.
Yup. He wasn't. The thread titel is a lie. There was nothing wrong with what he did. The Left needs to mind its own damn business.

...so you believe free markets can be preserved while the principles which justify them are gradually corroded away?

The left is minding its own business. The right is self-destructing.

Really? This thread must have been started by your evil twin?!?!

So you can sit in judgment of what he does, the card is more a point to his love for tennis, I do understand that is beyond your grasp though, many things are beyond your grasp...

You need to put the pipe down...

Daktoria is the troll du jour on this site.

 

[Avatar4321]

It looks as though I should be more patient with the page loading since I only read the beginning of the article and foolishly assumed that him being fired was an honest statement.

The word "fired" has multiple definitions. Someone who defends Dimon should understand this since he's trying to take advantage of how appearances can mean multiple things in order to provoke multiple groups.

Not only is he provoking working class people who are frustrated by his reckless display, but he's also provoking idealists who defend the free market behind the understanding that people care about what they earn.

What other definition of fired are you using here? Cause I doubt he was fired out of a cannon.

 

[The Rabbi]

It looks as though I should be more patient with the page loading since I only read the beginning of the article and foolishly assumed that him being fired was an honest statement.

The word "fired" has multiple definitions. Someone who defends Dimon should understand this since he's trying to take advantage of how appearances can mean multiple things in order to provoke multiple groups.

Not only is he provoking working class people who are frustrated by his reckless display, but he's also provoking idealists who defend the free market behind the understanding that people care about what they earn.

What other definition of fired are you using here? Cause I doubt he was fired out of a cannon.

Daktoria uses words to mean whatever he wants. Or nothing. He is a troll.

 

[MikeK]

Dimon, JPMorgan Chase Have History with Senate's Banking Panel - OpenSecrets Blog Dimon, JPMorgan Chase Have History with Senate's Banking Panel

Dimon has a long record of contributing to congressional candidates, primarily Democrats. In the*2012 election cycle*he has given $6,800 to Democratic candidates and $4,500 to Republicans. Among the recipients are committee members*Bob Corker(R-TN) and*Mark Warner*(D-VA). Dimon has also contributed to the top Republican and the top Democrat on the committee, though not for several years: both*Richard Shelby(R-AL) and Chairman*Tim Johnson*(D-SD) received $2,000 from Dimon in 2008.That campaign cycle*was Dimon's most significant as a donor. He gave the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee more than $55,000 dollars and sent thousands to multiple current members of the Banking Committee:*Jack Reed*(D-RI),*Mike Crapo*(R-ID) and*Mark Warner*(D-VA) each received $2,000.*

I wouldn't say all conservatives would call him a winner, but there are lots of conservatives who dismiss the value of heritage behind rugged individualism. They're OK with other people suffering and calling them useless members of society while behaving provocatively.

Thank you for posting the names of those cheap whores who have taken what in relative terms is pocket change in return for betraying the People.

Unfortunately things must get worse before they can get better. And I'm afraid it will be a long time before we can hope to see guillotines on Pennsylvania Avenue.