Journalists Revealing Racism?

[PoliticalChic]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.




1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

a. These are the folks who engage in and navigate discussions of race.




2. An aspect often missed, discussions of race tend to be limited to observations about groups in a particular country. But this leads to misunderstanding. For example, when lower class whites in Britain exhibit strikingly similar behavior patterns to those of blacks in America, attributing those behavior patterns among American blacks to "a legacy of slavery," or to past or contemporary racial discrimination, is offering an explanation which obviously cannot apply to lower class Britons who have experienced neither.

a. Thus the necessity of discussing the problem in an international context.




3. No subject is in more need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research, and fearless, honest discussion, then race. The problem is in looking to intellectuals for cues and conclusions. Too often the use of mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals is used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs and agenda the intellectual, and/or their peers accept. The issue becomes what to emphasize, what to downplay, or what to ignore altogether.

4. We may or may not be speaking of a conspiracy:
"According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage."
Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright | The Daily Caller

a. As above, group choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship, or propaganda.




5. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks, and whites, in jobs, incomes, mortgage approval rates, etc., are taken from data that usually includes similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom do we find the data of Asian Americans included in news stories, or academic studies, which are then able to conclude that it is racial discrimination that explains disparities between blacks and whites. Had the data for Asian Americans been included, it would be difficult to conclude the discrimination argument.

a. During the recession of the early 90's, whites lost jobs to Asian Americans. Should this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? This is the result of accepting data that reinforces preconceptions, while rejecting the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions?

b. The same story applies to mortgage loans. When only black and white data is used, it appears that black applicants are turned down more often than white: proof of racial discrimination? But if the data for Asian Americans is included, blacks are found to be turned down twice a often as whites...but whites are turned down almost twice as often as Asian Americans. "
Civil Rights and the Mortgage Crisis," US Commission on Civil Rights, 2009; p. 53

c. Average credit scores are higher among whites than blacks,- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites.

d. And, black-owned banks turn down black applicants at a higher rate than white-owned banks.
"Do Black-Owned Banks Discriminate against Black Borrowers?" Harold A. Black, et al., Journal of Financial Services Research, February, 1997, p. 185-200.

e. Same pattern when we research students disciplined in public schools.



So...the disparities are there....but the explanations may not be what we are told they are.

The real question to be considered is why the intellectuals peddle Leftist political messages.

 

[jwoodie]

"Affirmative Action" and other misnomers are a subtle acknowledgment of inferiority, concocted to assuage the guilt that "intellectuals" feel about their own racist attitudes.

 

[blastoff]

I can't keep them all straight. Is Dr. Sowell an Uncle Tom or an Oreo cookie or a house nigra or a what?

 

[katsteve2012]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.




1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

a. These are the folks who engage in and navigate discussions of race.




2. An aspect often missed, discussions of race tend to be limited to observations about groups in a particular country. But this leads to misunderstanding. For example, when lower class whites in Britain exhibit strikingly similar behavior patterns to those of blacks in America, attributing those behavior patterns among American blacks to "a legacy of slavery," or to past or contemporary racial discrimination, is offering an explanation which obviously cannot apply to lower class Britons who have experienced neither.

a. Thus the necessity of discussing the problem in an international context.




3. No subject is in more need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research, and fearless, honest discussion, then race. The problem is in looking to intellectuals for cues and conclusions. Too often the use of mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals is used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs and agenda the intellectual, and/or their peers accept. The issue becomes what to emphasize, what to downplay, or what to ignore altogether.

4. We may or may not be speaking of a conspiracy:
"According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage."
Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright | The Daily Caller

a. As above, group choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship, or propaganda.




5. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks, and whites, in jobs, incomes, mortgage approval rates, etc., are taken from data that usually includes similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom do we find the data of Asian Americans included in news stories, or academic studies, which are then able to conclude that it is racial discrimination that explains disparities between blacks and whites. Had the data for Asian Americans been included, it would be difficult to conclude the discrimination argument.

a. During the recession of the early 90's, whites lost jobs to Asian Americans. Should this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? This is the result of accepting data that reinforces preconceptions, while rejecting the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions?

b. The same story applies to mortgage loans. When only black and white data is used, it appears that black applicants are turned down more often than white: proof of racial discrimination? But if the data for Asian Americans is included, blacks are found to be turned down twice a often as whites...but whites are turned down almost twice as often as Asian Americans. "
Civil Rights and the Mortgage Crisis," US Commission on Civil Rights, 2009; p. 53

c. Average credit scores are higher among whites than blacks,- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites.

d. And, black-owned banks turn down black applicants at a higher rate than white-owned banks.
"Do Black-Owned Banks Discriminate against Black Borrowers?" Harold A. Black, et al., Journal of Financial Services Research, February, 1997, p. 185-200.

e. Same pattern when we research students disciplined in public schools.



So...the disparities are there....but the explanations may not be what we are told they are.

The real question to be considered is why the intellectuals peddle Leftist political messages.

And is Sowell not considered to be an "intellectual" by his followers? All of this being said, what differentiates Dr. Sowell from any of the subjects that he cites in his book?

Without those whom he levels his critical points towards, his book would be non existent.

Just like any other journalist, he has a following which accounts for his livelihood.

 

[Pheonixops]

I can't keep them all straight. Is Dr. Sowell an Uncle Tom or an Oreo cookie or a house nigra or a what?

He is a person who has an opinion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.




1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

a. These are the folks who engage in and navigate discussions of race.




2. An aspect often missed, discussions of race tend to be limited to observations about groups in a particular country. But this leads to misunderstanding. For example, when lower class whites in Britain exhibit strikingly similar behavior patterns to those of blacks in America, attributing those behavior patterns among American blacks to "a legacy of slavery," or to past or contemporary racial discrimination, is offering an explanation which obviously cannot apply to lower class Britons who have experienced neither.

a. Thus the necessity of discussing the problem in an international context.




3. No subject is in more need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research, and fearless, honest discussion, then race. The problem is in looking to intellectuals for cues and conclusions. Too often the use of mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals is used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs and agenda the intellectual, and/or their peers accept. The issue becomes what to emphasize, what to downplay, or what to ignore altogether.

4. We may or may not be speaking of a conspiracy:
"According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage."
Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright | The Daily Caller

a. As above, group choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship, or propaganda.




5. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks, and whites, in jobs, incomes, mortgage approval rates, etc., are taken from data that usually includes similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom do we find the data of Asian Americans included in news stories, or academic studies, which are then able to conclude that it is racial discrimination that explains disparities between blacks and whites. Had the data for Asian Americans been included, it would be difficult to conclude the discrimination argument.

a. During the recession of the early 90's, whites lost jobs to Asian Americans. Should this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? This is the result of accepting data that reinforces preconceptions, while rejecting the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions?

b. The same story applies to mortgage loans. When only black and white data is used, it appears that black applicants are turned down more often than white: proof of racial discrimination? But if the data for Asian Americans is included, blacks are found to be turned down twice a often as whites...but whites are turned down almost twice as often as Asian Americans. "
Civil Rights and the Mortgage Crisis," US Commission on Civil Rights, 2009; p. 53

c. Average credit scores are higher among whites than blacks,- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites.

d. And, black-owned banks turn down black applicants at a higher rate than white-owned banks.
"Do Black-Owned Banks Discriminate against Black Borrowers?" Harold A. Black, et al., Journal of Financial Services Research, February, 1997, p. 185-200.

e. Same pattern when we research students disciplined in public schools.



So...the disparities are there....but the explanations may not be what we are told they are.

The real question to be considered is why the intellectuals peddle Leftist political messages.

And is Sowell not considered to be an "intellectual" by his followers? All of this being said, what differentiates Dr. Sowell from any of the subjects that he cites in his book?

Without those whom he levels his critical points towards, his book would be non existent.

Just like any other journalist, he has a following which accounts for his livelihood.

Are you serious?

Really?

You see no difference?


Don't you realize that by what passes for 'logic' in your post, a bank teller who hits the silent alarm is as guilty of band robbery as the thief?

 

[katsteve2012]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.




1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

a. These are the folks who engage in and navigate discussions of race.




2. An aspect often missed, discussions of race tend to be limited to observations about groups in a particular country. But this leads to misunderstanding. For example, when lower class whites in Britain exhibit strikingly similar behavior patterns to those of blacks in America, attributing those behavior patterns among American blacks to "a legacy of slavery," or to past or contemporary racial discrimination, is offering an explanation which obviously cannot apply to lower class Britons who have experienced neither.

a. Thus the necessity of discussing the problem in an international context.




3. No subject is in more need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research, and fearless, honest discussion, then race. The problem is in looking to intellectuals for cues and conclusions. Too often the use of mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals is used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs and agenda the intellectual, and/or their peers accept. The issue becomes what to emphasize, what to downplay, or what to ignore altogether.

4. We may or may not be speaking of a conspiracy:
"According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage."
Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright | The Daily Caller

a. As above, group choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship, or propaganda.




5. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks, and whites, in jobs, incomes, mortgage approval rates, etc., are taken from data that usually includes similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom do we find the data of Asian Americans included in news stories, or academic studies, which are then able to conclude that it is racial discrimination that explains disparities between blacks and whites. Had the data for Asian Americans been included, it would be difficult to conclude the discrimination argument.

a. During the recession of the early 90's, whites lost jobs to Asian Americans. Should this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? This is the result of accepting data that reinforces preconceptions, while rejecting the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions?

b. The same story applies to mortgage loans. When only black and white data is used, it appears that black applicants are turned down more often than white: proof of racial discrimination? But if the data for Asian Americans is included, blacks are found to be turned down twice a often as whites...but whites are turned down almost twice as often as Asian Americans. "
Civil Rights and the Mortgage Crisis," US Commission on Civil Rights, 2009; p. 53

c. Average credit scores are higher among whites than blacks,- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites.

d. And, black-owned banks turn down black applicants at a higher rate than white-owned banks.
"Do Black-Owned Banks Discriminate against Black Borrowers?" Harold A. Black, et al., Journal of Financial Services Research, February, 1997, p. 185-200.

e. Same pattern when we research students disciplined in public schools.



So...the disparities are there....but the explanations may not be what we are told they are.

The real question to be considered is why the intellectuals peddle Leftist political messages.

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.




1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

a. These are the folks who engage in and navigate discussions of race.




2. An aspect often missed, discussions of race tend to be limited to observations about groups in a particular country. But this leads to misunderstanding. For example, when lower class whites in Britain exhibit strikingly similar behavior patterns to those of blacks in America, attributing those behavior patterns among American blacks to "a legacy of slavery," or to past or contemporary racial discrimination, is offering an explanation which obviously cannot apply to lower class Britons who have experienced neither.

a. Thus the necessity of discussing the problem in an international context.




3. No subject is in more need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research, and fearless, honest discussion, then race. The problem is in looking to intellectuals for cues and conclusions. Too often the use of mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals is used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs and agenda the intellectual, and/or their peers accept. The issue becomes what to emphasize, what to downplay, or what to ignore altogether.

4. We may or may not be speaking of a conspiracy:
"According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage."
Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright | The Daily Caller

a. As above, group choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship, or propaganda.




5. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks, and whites, in jobs, incomes, mortgage approval rates, etc., are taken from data that usually includes similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom do we find the data of Asian Americans included in news stories, or academic studies, which are then able to conclude that it is racial discrimination that explains disparities between blacks and whites. Had the data for Asian Americans been included, it would be difficult to conclude the discrimination argument.

a. During the recession of the early 90's, whites lost jobs to Asian Americans. Should this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? This is the result of accepting data that reinforces preconceptions, while rejecting the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions?

b. The same story applies to mortgage loans. When only black and white data is used, it appears that black applicants are turned down more often than white: proof of racial discrimination? But if the data for Asian Americans is included, blacks are found to be turned down twice a often as whites...but whites are turned down almost twice as often as Asian Americans. "
Civil Rights and the Mortgage Crisis," US Commission on Civil Rights, 2009; p. 53

c. Average credit scores are higher among whites than blacks,- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites.

d. And, black-owned banks turn down black applicants at a higher rate than white-owned banks.
"Do Black-Owned Banks Discriminate against Black Borrowers?" Harold A. Black, et al., Journal of Financial Services Research, February, 1997, p. 185-200.

e. Same pattern when we research students disciplined in public schools.



So...the disparities are there....but the explanations may not be what we are told they are.

The real question to be considered is why the intellectuals peddle Leftist political messages.

And is Sowell not considered to be an "intellectual" by his followers? All of this being said, what differentiates Dr. Sowell from any of the subjects that he cites in his book?

Without those whom he levels his critical points towards, his book would be non existent.

Just like any other journalist, he has a following which accounts for his livelihood.

Are you serious?

Yes.

Really?

Again, yes.
You see no difference?

Yes. The the "difference" being that he has an opinion which is his own.
Just as I do, and just as you
do.


Don't you realize that by what passes for 'logic' in your post, a bank teller who hits the silent alarm is as guilty of band robbery as the thief?

What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me. What I also realize is that there is no substitute for life experience, and once again, speaking for myself, I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory.

Of course like anyone else who attended an institute of higher learning, I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically and objectively and how to blend what I have digested academically with what I have witnessed and been a part of.

That being said, what has been YOUR personal experience in witnessing the phenomena that Dr. Sowell speaks on?

And how have you PERSONALLY seen it manifest itself among those who you have been associated with?

I would be much more interested in reading your thoughts as opposed to what you cut and paste, and report on.

JMHO.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.




1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

a. These are the folks who engage in and navigate discussions of race.




2. An aspect often missed, discussions of race tend to be limited to observations about groups in a particular country. But this leads to misunderstanding. For example, when lower class whites in Britain exhibit strikingly similar behavior patterns to those of blacks in America, attributing those behavior patterns among American blacks to "a legacy of slavery," or to past or contemporary racial discrimination, is offering an explanation which obviously cannot apply to lower class Britons who have experienced neither.

a. Thus the necessity of discussing the problem in an international context.




3. No subject is in more need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research, and fearless, honest discussion, then race. The problem is in looking to intellectuals for cues and conclusions. Too often the use of mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals is used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs and agenda the intellectual, and/or their peers accept. The issue becomes what to emphasize, what to downplay, or what to ignore altogether.

4. We may or may not be speaking of a conspiracy:
"According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage."
Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright | The Daily Caller

a. As above, group choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship, or propaganda.




5. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks, and whites, in jobs, incomes, mortgage approval rates, etc., are taken from data that usually includes similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom do we find the data of Asian Americans included in news stories, or academic studies, which are then able to conclude that it is racial discrimination that explains disparities between blacks and whites. Had the data for Asian Americans been included, it would be difficult to conclude the discrimination argument.

a. During the recession of the early 90's, whites lost jobs to Asian Americans. Should this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? This is the result of accepting data that reinforces preconceptions, while rejecting the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions?

b. The same story applies to mortgage loans. When only black and white data is used, it appears that black applicants are turned down more often than white: proof of racial discrimination? But if the data for Asian Americans is included, blacks are found to be turned down twice a often as whites...but whites are turned down almost twice as often as Asian Americans. "
Civil Rights and the Mortgage Crisis," US Commission on Civil Rights, 2009; p. 53

c. Average credit scores are higher among whites than blacks,- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites.

d. And, black-owned banks turn down black applicants at a higher rate than white-owned banks.
"Do Black-Owned Banks Discriminate against Black Borrowers?" Harold A. Black, et al., Journal of Financial Services Research, February, 1997, p. 185-200.

e. Same pattern when we research students disciplined in public schools.



So...the disparities are there....but the explanations may not be what we are told they are.

The real question to be considered is why the intellectuals peddle Leftist political messages.

And is Sowell not considered to be an "intellectual" by his followers? All of this being said, what differentiates Dr. Sowell from any of the subjects that he cites in his book?

Without those whom he levels his critical points towards, his book would be non existent.

Just like any other journalist, he has a following which accounts for his livelihood.

Are you serious?

Yes.

Really?

Again, yes.
You see no difference?

Yes. The the "difference" being that he has an opinion which is his own.
Just as I do, and just as you
do.


Don't you realize that by what passes for 'logic' in your post, a bank teller who hits the silent alarm is as guilty of band robbery as the thief?

What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me. What I also realize is that there is no substitute for life experience, and once again, speaking for myself, I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory.

Of course like anyone else who attended an institute of higher learning, I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically and objectively and how to blend what I have digested academically with what I have witnessed and been a part of.

That being said, what has been YOUR personal experience in witnessing the phenomena that Dr. Sowell speaks on?

And how have you PERSONALLY seen it manifest itself among those who you have been associated with?

I would be much more interested in reading your thoughts as opposed to what you cut and paste, and report on.

JMHO.

1. " I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory."
So....fancy book-larnin' ain't fer you.....
I get it.


2. "What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me."
What you have established is that logic is not for you.


3. "... there is no substitute for life experience,..."
I've never been to the Milky Way, but I accept that it is there.


4. " I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically..."
Not in evidence.

5. "...what has been YOUR personal experience ..."
I'd like to tell you, really I would, but this is need-to-know stuff, and why sugarcoat it? You do not need to know.

6. " ...would be much more interested in reading your thoughts..."
Did you guess that I selected that source at random?
Those are my thoughts. His words. Mostly.

7. Perhaps you'd like to take the time to actually discuss what the OP says.

 

[katsteve2012]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.




1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

a. These are the folks who engage in and navigate discussions of race.




2. An aspect often missed, discussions of race tend to be limited to observations about groups in a particular country. But this leads to misunderstanding. For example, when lower class whites in Britain exhibit strikingly similar behavior patterns to those of blacks in America, attributing those behavior patterns among American blacks to "a legacy of slavery," or to past or contemporary racial discrimination, is offering an explanation which obviously cannot apply to lower class Britons who have experienced neither.

a. Thus the necessity of discussing the problem in an international context.




3. No subject is in more need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research, and fearless, honest discussion, then race. The problem is in looking to intellectuals for cues and conclusions. Too often the use of mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals is used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs and agenda the intellectual, and/or their peers accept. The issue becomes what to emphasize, what to downplay, or what to ignore altogether.

4. We may or may not be speaking of a conspiracy:
"According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage."
Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright | The Daily Caller

a. As above, group choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship, or propaganda.




5. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks, and whites, in jobs, incomes, mortgage approval rates, etc., are taken from data that usually includes similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom do we find the data of Asian Americans included in news stories, or academic studies, which are then able to conclude that it is racial discrimination that explains disparities between blacks and whites. Had the data for Asian Americans been included, it would be difficult to conclude the discrimination argument.

a. During the recession of the early 90's, whites lost jobs to Asian Americans. Should this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? This is the result of accepting data that reinforces preconceptions, while rejecting the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions?

b. The same story applies to mortgage loans. When only black and white data is used, it appears that black applicants are turned down more often than white: proof of racial discrimination? But if the data for Asian Americans is included, blacks are found to be turned down twice a often as whites...but whites are turned down almost twice as often as Asian Americans. "
Civil Rights and the Mortgage Crisis," US Commission on Civil Rights, 2009; p. 53

c. Average credit scores are higher among whites than blacks,- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites.

d. And, black-owned banks turn down black applicants at a higher rate than white-owned banks.
"Do Black-Owned Banks Discriminate against Black Borrowers?" Harold A. Black, et al., Journal of Financial Services Research, February, 1997, p. 185-200.

e. Same pattern when we research students disciplined in public schools.



So...the disparities are there....but the explanations may not be what we are told they are.

The real question to be considered is why the intellectuals peddle Leftist political messages.

Are you serious?

Yes.

Really?

Again, yes.
You see no difference?

Yes. The the "difference" being that he has an opinion which is his own.
Just as I do, and just as you
do.


Don't you realize that by what passes for 'logic' in your post, a bank teller who hits the silent alarm is as guilty of band robbery as the thief?

What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me. What I also realize is that there is no substitute for life experience, and once again, speaking for myself, I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory.

Of course like anyone else who attended an institute of higher learning, I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically and objectively and how to blend what I have digested academically with what I have witnessed and been a part of.

That being said, what has been YOUR personal experience in witnessing the phenomena that Dr. Sowell speaks on?

And how have you PERSONALLY seen it manifest itself among those who you have been associated with?

I would be much more interested in reading your thoughts as opposed to what you cut and paste, and report on.

JMHO.

1. " I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory."
So....fancy book-larnin' ain't fer you.....
I get it.


2. "What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me."
What you have established is that logic is not for you.


3. "... there is no substitute for life experience,..."
I've never been to the Milky Way, but I accept that it is there.


4. " I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically..."
Not in evidence.

5. "...what has been YOUR personal experience ..."
I'd like to tell you, really I would, but this is need-to-know stuff, and why sugarcoat it? You do not need to know.

6. " ...would be much more interested in reading your thoughts..."
Did you guess that I selected that source at random?
Those are my thoughts. His words. Mostly.

7. Perhaps you'd like to take the time to actually discuss what the OP says.

Point #5 says it all. I am not convinced that you truly even understand anything about what you posted, except how to read the words. But, as you stated since this is "need to know stuff", and this is in fact a discussion board, and if you "really would like to speak your opinion" as you say, what is stopping you?

Point #6 "Your thoughts, his words?". Why not "His words, your thoughts?"

I always thought that advanced education prepared one to be able to read, interpret, and form an opinion based on a combination of thinking skills and logic.

It's your thread. Carry on.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me. What I also realize is that there is no substitute for life experience, and once again, speaking for myself, I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory.

Of course like anyone else who attended an institute of higher learning, I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically and objectively and how to blend what I have digested academically with what I have witnessed and been a part of.

That being said, what has been YOUR personal experience in witnessing the phenomena that Dr. Sowell speaks on?

And how have you PERSONALLY seen it manifest itself among those who you have been associated with?

I would be much more interested in reading your thoughts as opposed to what you cut and paste, and report on.

JMHO.

1. " I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory."
So....fancy book-larnin' ain't fer you.....
I get it.


2. "What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me."
What you have established is that logic is not for you.


3. "... there is no substitute for life experience,..."
I've never been to the Milky Way, but I accept that it is there.


4. " I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically..."
Not in evidence.

5. "...what has been YOUR personal experience ..."
I'd like to tell you, really I would, but this is need-to-know stuff, and why sugarcoat it? You do not need to know.

6. " ...would be much more interested in reading your thoughts..."
Did you guess that I selected that source at random?
Those are my thoughts. His words. Mostly.

7. Perhaps you'd like to take the time to actually discuss what the OP says.

Point #5 says it all. I am not convinced that you truly even understand anything about what you posted, except how to read the words. But, as you stated since this is "need to know stuff", and this is in fact a discussion board, and if you "really would like to speak your opinion" as you say, what is stopping you?

Point #6 "Your thoughts, his words?". Why not "His words, your thoughts?"

I always thought that advanced education prepared one to be able to read, interpret, and form an opinion based on a combination of thinking skills and logic.

It's your thread. Carry on.

Stop whining....


" I am not convinced that you truly even understand anything about what you posted, except how to read the words."
You sound like a fool.



"7. Perhaps you'd like to take the time to actually discuss what the OP says."

 

[editec]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.

1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

Nonsense

There may be a valid point to this thread (in fact I suspect there is) but when you start our with a presupposition that is false, everything that follows is basically worthless.

 

[dilloduck]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.

1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

Nonsense

There may be a valid point to this thread (in fact I suspect there is) but when you start our with a presupposition that is false, everything that follows is basically worthless.

How about " problems that don't exist on the level we have been led to believe or for the reasons we have been led to believe."
Are you happy now that more acceptable. semantics have been applied ?

Classic--A post on intellectualism being challenged by intellects.

 

[dilloduck]

Allow me too help

Thomas Sowell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalChic]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.

1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

Nonsense

There may be a valid point to this thread (in fact I suspect there is) but when you start our with a presupposition that is false, everything that follows is basically worthless.

You shoulda' read the rest of the OP.

Sowell give specific analysis that supports that contention.


Double dog dare ya' to deny that data that runs counter to the current social colloquy is left out of the intellectual's arguments.

C'mon...put up yer dukes.

 

[katsteve2012]

1. " I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory."
So....fancy book-larnin' ain't fer you.....
I get it.


2. "What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me."
What you have established is that logic is not for you.


3. "... there is no substitute for life experience,..."
I've never been to the Milky Way, but I accept that it is there.


4. " I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically..."
Not in evidence.

5. "...what has been YOUR personal experience ..."
I'd like to tell you, really I would, but this is need-to-know stuff, and why sugarcoat it? You do not need to know.

6. " ...would be much more interested in reading your thoughts..."
Did you guess that I selected that source at random?
Those are my thoughts. His words. Mostly.

7. Perhaps you'd like to take the time to actually discuss what the OP says.

Point #5 says it all. I am not convinced that you truly even understand anything about what you posted, except how to read the words. But, as you stated since this is "need to know stuff", and this is in fact a discussion board, and if you "really would like to speak your opinion" as you say, what is stopping you?

Point #6 "Your thoughts, his words?". Why not "His words, your thoughts?"

I always thought that advanced education prepared one to be able to read, interpret, and form an opinion based on a combination of thinking skills and logic.

It's your thread. Carry on.

Since when is calling out a shallow copy and paste parrot called whining? I think you are whining because I am not interested in your silly game.

" I am not convinced that you truly even understand anything about what you posted, except how to read the words."
You sound like a fool.

Lol! Every word that you copied and pasted, and then proceeded to present as "your thoughts and someone elses words", validates that you are the fool here




"7. Perhaps you'd like to take the time to actually discuss what the OP says."

This is your thread, and so far you have actually "discussed" nothing. All you have stated is that "Sowells thoughts are yours".

 

[dilloduck]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.




1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

a. These are the folks who engage in and navigate discussions of race.




2. An aspect often missed, discussions of race tend to be limited to observations about groups in a particular country. But this leads to misunderstanding. For example, when lower class whites in Britain exhibit strikingly similar behavior patterns to those of blacks in America, attributing those behavior patterns among American blacks to "a legacy of slavery," or to past or contemporary racial discrimination, is offering an explanation which obviously cannot apply to lower class Britons who have experienced neither.

a. Thus the necessity of discussing the problem in an international context.




3. No subject is in more need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research, and fearless, honest discussion, then race. The problem is in looking to intellectuals for cues and conclusions. Too often the use of mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals is used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs and agenda the intellectual, and/or their peers accept. The issue becomes what to emphasize, what to downplay, or what to ignore altogether.

4. We may or may not be speaking of a conspiracy:
"According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage."
Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright | The Daily Caller

a. As above, group choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship, or propaganda.




5. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks, and whites, in jobs, incomes, mortgage approval rates, etc., are taken from data that usually includes similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom do we find the data of Asian Americans included in news stories, or academic studies, which are then able to conclude that it is racial discrimination that explains disparities between blacks and whites. Had the data for Asian Americans been included, it would be difficult to conclude the discrimination argument.

a. During the recession of the early 90's, whites lost jobs to Asian Americans. Should this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? This is the result of accepting data that reinforces preconceptions, while rejecting the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions?

b. The same story applies to mortgage loans. When only black and white data is used, it appears that black applicants are turned down more often than white: proof of racial discrimination? But if the data for Asian Americans is included, blacks are found to be turned down twice a often as whites...but whites are turned down almost twice as often as Asian Americans. "
Civil Rights and the Mortgage Crisis," US Commission on Civil Rights, 2009; p. 53

c. Average credit scores are higher among whites than blacks,- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites.

d. And, black-owned banks turn down black applicants at a higher rate than white-owned banks.
"Do Black-Owned Banks Discriminate against Black Borrowers?" Harold A. Black, et al., Journal of Financial Services Research, February, 1997, p. 185-200.

e. Same pattern when we research students disciplined in public schools.



So...the disparities are there....but the explanations may not be what we are told they are.

The real question to be considered is why the intellectuals peddle Leftist political messages.

And is Sowell not considered to be an "intellectual" by his followers? All of this being said, what differentiates Dr. Sowell from any of the subjects that he cites in his book?

Without those whom he levels his critical points towards, his book would be non existent.

Just like any other journalist, he has a following which accounts for his livelihood.

Which doesn't automatically negate what he postulates. Do you agree with him or not ?

 

[katsteve2012]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.




1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

a. These are the folks who engage in and navigate discussions of race.




2. An aspect often missed, discussions of race tend to be limited to observations about groups in a particular country. But this leads to misunderstanding. For example, when lower class whites in Britain exhibit strikingly similar behavior patterns to those of blacks in America, attributing those behavior patterns among American blacks to "a legacy of slavery," or to past or contemporary racial discrimination, is offering an explanation which obviously cannot apply to lower class Britons who have experienced neither.

a. Thus the necessity of discussing the problem in an international context.




3. No subject is in more need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research, and fearless, honest discussion, then race. The problem is in looking to intellectuals for cues and conclusions. Too often the use of mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals is used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs and agenda the intellectual, and/or their peers accept. The issue becomes what to emphasize, what to downplay, or what to ignore altogether.

4. We may or may not be speaking of a conspiracy:
"According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage."
Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright | The Daily Caller

a. As above, group choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship, or propaganda.




5. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks, and whites, in jobs, incomes, mortgage approval rates, etc., are taken from data that usually includes similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom do we find the data of Asian Americans included in news stories, or academic studies, which are then able to conclude that it is racial discrimination that explains disparities between blacks and whites. Had the data for Asian Americans been included, it would be difficult to conclude the discrimination argument.

a. During the recession of the early 90's, whites lost jobs to Asian Americans. Should this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? This is the result of accepting data that reinforces preconceptions, while rejecting the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions?

b. The same story applies to mortgage loans. When only black and white data is used, it appears that black applicants are turned down more often than white: proof of racial discrimination? But if the data for Asian Americans is included, blacks are found to be turned down twice a often as whites...but whites are turned down almost twice as often as Asian Americans. "
Civil Rights and the Mortgage Crisis," US Commission on Civil Rights, 2009; p. 53

c. Average credit scores are higher among whites than blacks,- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites.

d. And, black-owned banks turn down black applicants at a higher rate than white-owned banks.
"Do Black-Owned Banks Discriminate against Black Borrowers?" Harold A. Black, et al., Journal of Financial Services Research, February, 1997, p. 185-200.

e. Same pattern when we research students disciplined in public schools.



So...the disparities are there....but the explanations may not be what we are told they are.

The real question to be considered is why the intellectuals peddle Leftist political messages.

Are you serious?

Yes.

Really?

Again, yes.
You see no difference?

Yes. The the "difference" being that he has an opinion which is his own.
Just as I do, and just as you
do.


Don't you realize that by what passes for 'logic' in your post, a bank teller who hits the silent alarm is as guilty of band robbery as the thief?

What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me. What I also realize is that there is no substitute for life experience, and once again, speaking for myself, I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory.

Of course like anyone else who attended an institute of higher learning, I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically and objectively and how to blend what I have digested academically with what I have witnessed and been a part of.

That being said, what has been YOUR personal experience in witnessing the phenomena that Dr. Sowell speaks on?

And how have you PERSONALLY seen it manifest itself among those who you have been associated with?

I would be much more interested in reading your thoughts as opposed to what you cut and paste, and report on.

JMHO.

1. " I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory."
So....fancy book-larnin' ain't fer you.....
I get it.

Childish. Book learning is a necessity, but we are not in a classroom here. The last time I checked, the adults here express opinions on social issues.

2. "What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me."
What you have established is that logic is not for you.

What you have proven is that you posted a subject "in someone else's words" that you want to sit back and watch others discuss for you.


3. "... there is no substitute for life experience,..."
I've never been to the Milky Way, but I accept that it is there.
Kind of evasive, aren't we? The Milky Way is a galaxy, Einstein.
Your copy and paste involves people who are on the same planet as you...hello?


4. " I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically..."
Not in evidence.


Then apply your critical thinking skill set and discuss your topic. Children write book reports in elementary school. And even there they are required to recap what they learned from the book that they report on.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me. What I also realize is that there is no substitute for life experience, and once again, speaking for myself, I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory.

Of course like anyone else who attended an institute of higher learning, I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically and objectively and how to blend what I have digested academically with what I have witnessed and been a part of.

That being said, what has been YOUR personal experience in witnessing the phenomena that Dr. Sowell speaks on?

And how have you PERSONALLY seen it manifest itself among those who you have been associated with?

I would be much more interested in reading your thoughts as opposed to what you cut and paste, and report on.

JMHO.

1. " I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory."
So....fancy book-larnin' ain't fer you.....
I get it.

Childish. Book learning is a necessity, but we are not in a classroom here. The last time I checked, the adults here express opinions on social issues.

2. "What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me."
What you have established is that logic is not for you.

What you have proven is that you posted a subject "in someone else's words" that you want to sit back and watch others discuss for you.


3. "... there is no substitute for life experience,..."
I've never been to the Milky Way, but I accept that it is there.
Kind of evasive, aren't we? The Milky Way is a galaxy, Einstein.
Your copy and paste involves people who are on the same planet as you...hello?


4. " I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically..."
Not in evidence.


Then apply your critical thinking skill set and discuss your topic. Children write book reports in elementary school. And even there they are required to recap what they learned from the book that they report on.

Geezzz.....

If you disagree with the OP, say so....or don't.

But don't tell me what to do.
No one has succeeded in that vein.

If you try...you may not like the result.

 

[katsteve2012]

Dr. Thomas Sowell's latest book,"Intellectuals and Race," examines the why and how journalists and academics often identify problems that don't exist, e.g., massive discrimination by whites against blacks.




1. "Intellectuals' are people whose work begins and ends with ideas. We are speaking of an occupational designation, not an honorific title, and implies nothing about the mental level of those in that occupation. Chemists and chess masters may have greater accomplishments, but they are not intellectuals because their work ends with an outcome subject to empirical verification by known standards. The work of intellectuals is judged by peer consensus.

a. These are the folks who engage in and navigate discussions of race.




2. An aspect often missed, discussions of race tend to be limited to observations about groups in a particular country. But this leads to misunderstanding. For example, when lower class whites in Britain exhibit strikingly similar behavior patterns to those of blacks in America, attributing those behavior patterns among American blacks to "a legacy of slavery," or to past or contemporary racial discrimination, is offering an explanation which obviously cannot apply to lower class Britons who have experienced neither.

a. Thus the necessity of discussing the problem in an international context.




3. No subject is in more need of dispassionate analysis, careful factual research, and fearless, honest discussion, then race. The problem is in looking to intellectuals for cues and conclusions. Too often the use of mental skills and verbal dexterity of intellectuals is used to evade evidence and promote whatever beliefs and agenda the intellectual, and/or their peers accept. The issue becomes what to emphasize, what to downplay, or what to ignore altogether.

4. We may or may not be speaking of a conspiracy:
"According to records obtained by The Daily Caller, at several points during the 2008 presidential campaign a group of liberal journalists took radical steps to protect their favored candidate. Employees of news organizations including Time, Politico, the Huffington Post, the Baltimore Sun, the Guardian, Salon and the New Republic participated in outpourings of anger over how Obama had been treated in the media, and in some cases plotted to fix the damage."
Documents show media plotting to kill stories about Rev. Jeremiah Wright | The Daily Caller

a. As above, group choices growing out of a common vision of the world can produce results all too similar to what is produced by centralized censorship, or propaganda.




5. As a concrete example, statistics comparing American blacks, and whites, in jobs, incomes, mortgage approval rates, etc., are taken from data that usually includes similar information about Asian Americans. Yet seldom do we find the data of Asian Americans included in news stories, or academic studies, which are then able to conclude that it is racial discrimination that explains disparities between blacks and whites. Had the data for Asian Americans been included, it would be difficult to conclude the discrimination argument.

a. During the recession of the early 90's, whites lost jobs to Asian Americans. Should this be attributed to racial discrimination against whites by employers who are usually white themselves? This is the result of accepting data that reinforces preconceptions, while rejecting the same kind of data when it goes counter to those preconceptions?

b. The same story applies to mortgage loans. When only black and white data is used, it appears that black applicants are turned down more often than white: proof of racial discrimination? But if the data for Asian Americans is included, blacks are found to be turned down twice a often as whites...but whites are turned down almost twice as often as Asian Americans. "
Civil Rights and the Mortgage Crisis," US Commission on Civil Rights, 2009; p. 53

c. Average credit scores are higher among whites than blacks,- and higher among Asian Americans than among whites.

d. And, black-owned banks turn down black applicants at a higher rate than white-owned banks.
"Do Black-Owned Banks Discriminate against Black Borrowers?" Harold A. Black, et al., Journal of Financial Services Research, February, 1997, p. 185-200.

e. Same pattern when we research students disciplined in public schools.



So...the disparities are there....but the explanations may not be what we are told they are.

The real question to be considered is why the intellectuals peddle Leftist political messages.

And is Sowell not considered to be an "intellectual" by his followers? All of this being said, what differentiates Dr. Sowell from any of the subjects that he cites in his book?

Without those whom he levels his critical points towards, his book would be non existent.

Just like any other journalist, he has a following which accounts for his livelihood.

Which doesn't automatically negate what he postulates. Do you agree with him or not ?

I agree with one thing that he stated. In a thinly veiled way. In point #5b, my interpretation of what he stated is that if certain data is excluded from an analysis, it may produce different results.

Therefore, like any other author who is marketing a product that speaks to social issues, if statistics are used, there could be a plethora of conclusions drawn to support ones position. He is an economist, so speculation is his game.

My opinion bottom line? He is not unique, nor has he arrived at any revelations that will change society in any way.

 

[katsteve2012]

1. " I did not glean my life experience from a book or an authors theory."
So....fancy book-larnin' ain't fer you.....
I get it.

Childish. Book learning is a necessity, but we are not in a classroom here. The last time I checked, the adults here express opinions on social issues.

2. "What I "realize" is that what is logical to you may not be logical to me."
What you have established is that logic is not for you.

What you have proven is that you posted a subject "in someone else's words" that you want to sit back and watch others discuss for you.


3. "... there is no substitute for life experience,..."
I've never been to the Milky Way, but I accept that it is there.
Kind of evasive, aren't we? The Milky Way is a galaxy, Einstein.
Your copy and paste involves people who are on the same planet as you...hello?


4. " I have read, studied and been tested, however what I LEARNED was how to think critically..."
Not in evidence.


Then apply your critical thinking skill set and discuss your topic. Children write book reports in elementary school. And even there they are required to recap what they learned from the book that they report on.

Geezzz.....

If you disagree with the OP, say so....or don't.

But don't tell me what to do.
No one has succeeded in that vein.

If you try...you may not like the result.

Loll! I have no vested interest in trying to "tell you what to do". I dont know you.

I was merely pointing out the obvious.


As an editorial comment, even the most insane bigots who post here get no emotional reaction from me, so state what you wish. It's bad form to get emotional on an anonymous public message board.

Carry on.