Jordan is palestine and palestine is Jordan

[Boston1]

Jordan is the Arab state in palestine

See
League of Nations: The Mandate for Palestine, July 24, 1922

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Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917

End quote

So actually you'd have to prove that what is now the area of Jordan wasn't in the mandated area of palestine previous to Nov 2nd 1917, and since Jordan or Trans-Jordan as it was called on its inception didn't even exist at that time you're going to have a pretty hard time.

Transjordan was created after June 3 1922 and didn't achieve full independence from the Uk until April 18 1946

See
The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

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With reference to the Constitution which it is now intended to establish in Palestine, the draft of which has already been published, it is desirable to make certain points clear. In the first place, it is not the case, as has been represented by the Arab Delegation, that during the war His Majesty's Government gave an undertaking that an independent national government should be at once established in Palestine. This representation mainly rests upon a letter dated the 24th October, 1915, from Sir Henry McMahon, then His Majesty's High Commissioner in Egypt, to the Sharif of Mecca, now King Hussein of the Kingdom of the Hejaz. That letter is quoted as conveying the promise to the Sherif of Mecca to recognise and support the independence of the Arabs within the territories proposed by him. But this promise was given subject to a reservation made in the same letter, which excluded from its scope, among other territories, the portions of Syria lying to the west of the District of Damascus. This reservation has always been regarded by His Majesty's Government as covering the vilayet of Beirut and the independent Sanjak of Jerusalem. The whole of Palestine west of the Jordan was thus excluded from Sir. Henry McMahon's pledge.

End Quote

See also
The Near East Since the First World War: A History to 1995

There really can be no doubt that Jordan was carved out of palestine and that its inhabitants were palestinian. the multiple references also confirms that at the time of the white letter there was no state of Transjordan

The British mandate was intended to put into effect the declaration originally made on Nov 2 1917

See
The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

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Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country;

End Quote

The Mandate itself was accepted on July 24 1922 and defined the area of the British mandate as including the area now known as Jordan.

But the Trans-Jordan memorandum wasn't accepted by the league of nations until Sep 16 1922 such that this particular area of the British mandate was specifically excluded for use as part of a national Jewish homeland

See article 25 British mandate for palestine

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Article 25.

In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.

End Quote

See also
League of Nations Official Journal, Nov. 1922, pp. 1390–1391

Kinda puts an end to that nonsense now doesn't it Monty.

The British mandate was ratified two months BEFORE the Trans-Jordan memorandum and the British mandate legally refers back to 1915 concerning the preference for a Jewish national homeland in palestine

Ergo Trans-Jordan was carved out of the British mandate exactly as I've been saying all along ;--) and is in fact palestine.

 

[Daniyel]

If only the documents could prove any use.

 

[Boston1]

Lying ? The dates/course of events are crystal clear, rooted in history for all to see, there's no lying about this one, so now the revisionists only denial is to attack the messenger.

But as anyone can see, a simple review of the course of events reveals Jordan did not exist previous to the establishment of the British mandate. It was part of the British mandate for palestine. It was carved out of the British mandate for palestine. Its inhabitants fell under the citizenship order and were palestinian. Jordan was created during the mandate period and is palestine. So where's the lie ?

Baring some form of adult response, I'll repeat my previous

Which is about the response I expected. The revisionists, being unable to factually refute the simple truths of time are most likely to respond by lashing out in a manor consistent with a condition known as cognitive dissonance.

I really don't expect much of an intelligent rebuttal on this one given the strength of the argument presented.

 

[montelatici]

Jordan is the Arab state in palestine

See
League of Nations: The Mandate for Palestine, July 24, 1922

Quote

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917

End quote

So actually you'd have to prove that what is now the area of Jordan wasn't in the mandated area of palestine previous to Nov 2nd 1917, and since Jordan or Trans-Jordan as it was called on its inception didn't even exist at that time you're going to have a pretty hard time.

Transjordan was created after June 3 1922 and didn't achieve full independence from the Uk until April 18 1946

See
The Avalon Project : British White Paper of June 1922

Quote

With reference to the Constitution which it is now intended to establish in Palestine, the draft of which has already been published, it is desirable to make certain points clear. In the first place, it is not the case, as has been represented by the Arab Delegation, that during the war His Majesty's Government gave an undertaking that an independent national government should be at once established in Palestine. This representation mainly rests upon a letter dated the 24th October, 1915, from Sir Henry McMahon, then His Majesty's High Commissioner in Egypt, to the Sharif of Mecca, now King Hussein of the Kingdom of the Hejaz. That letter is quoted as conveying the promise to the Sherif of Mecca to recognise and support the independence of the Arabs within the territories proposed by him. But this promise was given subject to a reservation made in the same letter, which excluded from its scope, among other territories, the portions of Syria lying to the west of the District of Damascus. This reservation has always been regarded by His Majesty's Government as covering the vilayet of Beirut and the independent Sanjak of Jerusalem. The whole of Palestine west of the Jordan was thus excluded from Sir. Henry McMahon's pledge.

End Quote

See also
The Near East Since the First World War: A History to 1995

There really can be no doubt that Jordan was carved out of palestine and that its inhabitants were palestinian. the multiple references also confirms that at the time of the white letter there was no state of Transjordan

The British mandate was intended to put into effect the declaration originally made on Nov 2 1917

See
The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

Quote

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country;

End Quote

The Mandate itself was accepted on July 24 1922 and defined the area of the British mandate as including the area now known as Jordan.

But the Trans-Jordan memorandum wasn't accepted by the league of nations until Sep 16 1922 such that this particular area of the British mandate was specifically excluded for use as part of a national Jewish homeland

See article 25 British mandate for palestine

Quote

Article 25.

In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.

End Quote

See also
League of Nations Official Journal, Nov. 1922, pp. 1390–1391

Kinda puts an end to that nonsense now doesn't it Monty.

The British mandate was ratified two months BEFORE the Trans-Jordan memorandum and the British mandate legally refers back to 1915 concerning the preference for a Jewish national homeland in palestine

Ergo Trans-Jordan was carved out of the British mandate exactly as I've been saying all along ;--) and is in fact palestine.

Wrong, as clearly stated by the Mandatory in its first Report to the Council. A basic understanding of English is all that is necessary.



"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people. It contains a few small towns and large areas of fertile land, producing excellent wheat and barley. The people are partly settled townsmen and agriculturists, partly wandering Bedouin; the latter, however, cultivate areas, more or less fixed, during certain seasons of the year.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration, over Trans-Jordania and a large part of Syria there was established an Arab administration, with its capital at Damascus. The ruler was His Highness the Emir Feisal, the third son of H.M. King Hussein, the King of the Hejaz. When Damascus was occupied by French troops in July, 1920, and the Emir Feisal withdrew, it was necessary to adopt fresh measures in Trans-Jordania. I proceeded to the central town of Salt on August 20th, and, at an assembly of notables and sheikhs of the district, announced that His Majesty's Government favoured the establishment of a system of local self- government, assisted by a small number of British officers as advisers."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

Plus, it should be noted that the territory of "Trans-Jordania", prior to 1917, was within the Vilayet of Syria with the administrative capital of Damascus while most of what is now Israel/Palestine was within the Independent Sanjuk of Jerusalem, "independent" because it reported directly to Istanbul rather than Damascus as the other Sanjuks in the .area.

http://tinyurl.com/juc2y5x

 

[MJB12741]

Why hasn't Israel tried to free the Palestinians back to Jordan? Golly gee, is it actually possible Jordan refuses to take them back?

 

[montelatici]

Why hasn't Israel tried to free the Palestinians back to Jordan? Golly gee, is it actually possible Jordan refuses to take them back?

Since Palestinians are from Palestine, they could not "go back" to Jordan. The Jews could go back to Europe and the other places they or their parents and grand parents immigrated from, though I doubt they would take the troublemakers back.

 

[Humanity]

The dates/course of events are crystal clear, rooted in history for all to see

So how come you and the other zionuts don't see it?

Denial is one thing but geeze you Palestine deniers are as fucked up as those holocaust deniers!

 

[Boston1]

Oh Monty, you are priceless

I certainly hope you don't own any weapons, you're sure to shoot yourself in the foot with that as well.

your own quoted text once again prove you wrong.

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Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration

End Quote

Something else thats pretty funny is that you only use this one INTERIM REPORT which doesn't even remotely represent the final product, which is represented in the actual mandates, The Interim report was something the league of nations was using to keep an eye on the area until a full administrative directive could be agreed upon by all parties. At this time there was a Judaic council overseeing the area west of the Jordan, the entire area west of the Jordan. So yeah, even at this early state, can be seen the beginnings of what was intended to be a two state solution.

How many states do you want now ?

How many states will it take to destabilize Israel politically when it can't be accomplished militarily ?

"there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews."
Golda Meir

Once again your hatred is blinding you to the truth as stated clearly in your own references ;--)

 

[montelatici]

Oh Monty, you are priceless

I certainly hope you don't own any weapons, you're sure to shoot yourself in the foot with that as well.

your own quoted text once again prove you wrong.

Quote

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania.

When Palestine west of the Jordan was occupied by the British Army and placed under a British military administration

End Quote

Something else thats pretty funny is that you only use this one INTERIM REPORT which doesn't even remotely represent the final product, which is represented in the actual mandates, The Interim report was something the league of nations was using to keep an eye on the area until a full administrative directive could be agreed upon by all parties. At this time there was a Judaic council overseeing the area west of the Jordan, the entire area west of the Jordan. So yeah, even at this early state, can be seen the beginnings of what was intended to be a two state solution.

How many states do you want now ?

How many states will it take to destabilize Israel politically when it can't be accomplished militarily ?

"there will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews."
Golda Meir

Once again your hatred is blinding you to the truth as stated clearly in your own references ;--)

As usual, the facts have trumped propaganda. It's hilarious to watch you attempt to rehash Zionist propaganda that was debunked here on this board ages ago. The "Jordan is Palestine" gambit is old. But, your comedy is entertaining, gets a lot of laughs from even the most serious of us.

 

[Boston1]

I keep hearing you claim this has all been debunked before

So why is it so hard for you to debunk it now ?

Your own quote states clearly that Trans-Jordan is part of palestine.

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Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania.

End Quote

And by your own admission it was placed under a interim Arab Muslim administration, as was the area west of the Jordan placed under Judaic interim administration.

Two proto states, being created in the one land of palestine, which eventually became two states within palestine. One Jewish and one Muslim. The two state solution.

So how many states do you want now ? Gaza will eventually be its own state, so are you suggesting four states ?

Why is it so hard for you to admit that Jordan is palestine and palestine is Jordan.

Even the Jordanian kings and officials have stated this on multiple occasions.

see
Jordan is Palestine. Palestine is Jordan.

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Jordan is Palestine. Palestine is Jordan.This is the royal decree and sentiments of two of the kings of Jordan.

“Palestine and Jordan are one…” said King Abdullah in 1948.

“The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan,”said King Hussein of Jordan, in 1981.

Let’s closely examine the facts of history from the Arab perspective, rather than the Jewish one, regarding Jordan and Palestine.

“Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is only one land, with one history and one and the same fate,” Prince Hassan of the Jordanian National Assembly was quoted as saying on February 2, 1970.

Accordingly, Abdul Hamid Sharif, Prime Minister of Jordan declared, in 1980, “The Palestinians and Jordanians do not belong to different nationalities. They hold the same Jordanian passports, are Arabs and have the same Jordanian culture.”

In other words, Jordan is Palestine. Arab Palestine. There is absolutely no difference between Jordan and Palestine, nor between Jordanians and Palestinians (all actually Arabs).

This fact is also confirmed by other Arabs, Jordanians and ‘Palestinans’ who were either rulers or scholars.

“There should be a kind of linkage because Jordanians and Palestinians are considered by the PLO as one people,”according to Farouk Kaddoumi, then head of the PLO Political Department, who gave the statement to Newsweek on March 14, 1977. Distinguished Arab-American Princeton University historian Philip Hitti testified before the Anglo-American Committee,

“There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in history.”

End Quote

So not only by your own references is Jordan palestine and palestine Jordan, but by the admission of the Jordanian rulers themselves

 

[montelatici]

No, you start posting fake quotes from the IsraelAmerica propaganda site. Too funny. Try using some source documentation to support your contentions.

 

[Roudy]

You wish they're fake quotes. They're as real as it gets.

 

[montelatici]

You wish they're fake quotes. They're as real as it gets.

Zionist propaganda sites. LOL

 

[MJB12741]

You wish they're fake quotes. They're as real as it gets.

Zionist propaganda sites. LOL

Yeah, what's with those Zionists? They don't even subscribe to honest, unbiased reporting from Al Jazeera.

 

[teddyearp]

My name is teddyearp and I support Boston1's message. It is something that I have concluded as well.

 

[montelatici]

My name is teddyearp and I support Boston1's message. It is something that I have concluded as well.

Of course you did.

 

[Roudy]

You wish they're fake quotes. They're as real as it gets.

Zionist propaganda sites. LOL

The flag of Jordan and Palestine itself tells the story, keep digging.


Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind, as it is witnessed by a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against:

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?” “We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

 

[Roudy]

My name is teddyearp and I support Boston1's message. It is something that I have concluded as well.

My name is Roudy and I approve and agree with Boston1's message.

 

[montelatici]

My name is teddyearp and I support Boston1's message. It is something that I have concluded as well.

My name is Roudy and I approve and agree with Boston1's message.

You wish they're fake quotes. They're as real as it gets.

Zionist propaganda sites. LOL

The flag of Jordan and Palestine itself tells the story, keep digging.


Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind, as it is witnessed by a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against:

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?” “We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

 

[Indeependent]

My name is teddyearp and I support Boston1's message. It is something that I have concluded as well.

My name is Roudy and I approve and agree with Boston1's message.

You wish they're fake quotes. They're as real as it gets.

Zionist propaganda sites. LOL

The flag of Jordan and Palestine itself tells the story, keep digging.


Palestinians are the newest of all the peoples on the face of the Earth, and began to exist in a single day by a kind of supernatural phenomenon that is unique in the whole history of mankind, as it is witnessed by a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against:

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?” “We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

PALESTINE.

CORRESPONDENCE
WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.
LONDON:

If the British Government would revise their present policy in Palestine, end the Zionist con-dominium, put a stop to all alien immigration and grant the People of Palestine — who by Right and Experience are the best judges of what is good and bad to their country — Executive and Legislative powers, the terms of a constitution could be discussed in a different atmosphere. If to-day the People of Palestine assented to any constitution which fell short of giving them full control of their own affairs they would be in the position of agreeing to an instrument of Government which might, and probably would, be used to smother their national life under a flood of alien immigration.

UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization/British policy in Palestine: "Churchill White Paper" - UK documentation Cmd. 1700/Non-UN document (excerpts) (1 July 1922)

Stuck in 1922.
If, in fact, you felt any of your prior documents made your point, you would NOT feel the need to constantly fish for other documents.
What that saying about throwing fecal matter at the wall?