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Joe, shower us with money and win our love

JGalt

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Actually it is giving them money. The infrastructure these corporations, or for that matter you use costs money. Fire department, military, police, education, the internet, etc., etc., none of it is free. This means it has to be funded by taxation. Less taxation means either the government borrows the money or levies the populace and corporations for it.

Nope. The money has to be collected as tax revenue, before the government can "give" it away. Corporate tax breaks are just granted by the government, because those corporations generate tax revenue through their employees, services, and products.

The biggest beneficiaries of free government money are people like yourself, who get far more then they pay in.
 

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I'm going to the US on Sunday. For a month, while getting paid. I have access to cheap, unlimited health care, regardless of what ails me or how long it takes to get healthy. I will be capable of sending my kid to ANY college in my country without having to save for it or my kid having to be in debt for 20 years. If I get unemployed my country pays for retraining even if it takes year, while giving me a living wage. I have payed time of if I become a father, my wife gets pregnant or somebody in my family dies.If I get sick I can get a nurse or physio to my house for a few bucks a month.

There are many more things but I hope you get the picture?


Free free free. Step right up folks and get all the goddamn free shit your little vile greedy heart desires. Other people having to work to pay your bills so what could be better?

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch". I hope you get the picture.
 

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Yes I do. Just not for an American one. My corporation pays considerably more taxes than American ones, I pay considerably more taxes than Americans. On the other hand me and my family can afford things that frankly aren't affordable to most Americans.
My point is you work for a corporation.

It pays you and then you pay taxes.
How's your math skill set?

So the taxes your corporation pays to whomever deprives others of jobs such as you have....who in turn would also draw a paycheck and pay taxes. Furthermore money in the hands of a consumer usually factors itself several times over by being spent locally at grocery stores, department stores, commercial goods stores and a variety of other businesses both big and small it benefit from that spending and who in turn pay their employees who once again pay taxes. Stealing the money from the corporation and preventing them from hiring more people who cycle the money beneficially through the local economy is counterproductive and stupid. It shows a complete lack of understanding on the part of the government doing the taxing of how an economy actually works successfully. Class warfare never benefits anyone except maybe the few politicians who steal from both sides.

It's fairly easy to demonstrate that the money loses its intrinsic value once it's in the hands of the government who then proceeds to make every form of irresponsible decision, money wasting crony-cash handouts, and totally ridiculous expenditures that often foster little or no legitimate form of financial efficiency for that self same economy.

Is any of this getting through yet?

So I understand that many governments are concerned that wealthy people will use shell corporations to horde their profits which thus robs the little guy of his tax money benefits....however that is easily remedied at tax time by determining the amount of payroll any given corporation is floating for that previous quarter....should it be found that money is going in but not out....they simply lose their corporate status. Taxing the money into the government coffers is a certain recipe for waste, graft, misallocation, inefficiency and out and out theft. I would venture to guess that tax revenues are up to 80% inefficient.

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As opposed to giving trillions in tax breaks to millionaires you mean? Or is that not showering corporations with money?
Letting people or establishments keep more of their money, isnt showering them with anything. Its letting them keep more of their money.
I will honestly never understand the mind of a federal supremacist and their lack of logic and reasoning.
 

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At what point do we start paying off the debt?
 

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It tramp and his family with ties to nationals of other countries, you got it all wrong.
We have lowered standards in Colleges for years. The Chinese push Mathematics. We say its racist. We have replaced the great writers in history with modern minority writers who are not that good. In every category we are creating "equity" over "equality" and that is not even talking about the "best". Opportunity is different then guaranteeing someone a position because the whole nation is marked on a giant curve.
 

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The UK is such a happy and well-managed place.

Education in the UK has changed and not for the better. When the UK moved from the fact that higher education had to be earned by being a good student to a system that invites even the less-qualified students to participate, this has created a mountain of problems with no end in sight. Student debt is already mounting in the UK and government doesn't have the resources to finance this mess. British universities are in panic mode.


Your healthcare is crap and most of what you get for the taxes you pay isn't worth what you pay but keep putting a happy face on your situation.

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Who said I was British? I'm not, I'm Belgian. As for education. Students in Belgium score quite alot better in math and sciences than Americans. I did an equivalency test in the US for high-school to avoid having to translate my own high-school diploma in the US and the material in there was stuff I saw in my last year of middle-school more or less.

Anyway you asked me for specific things that are available to me and not Americans and I gave them to you. Trying to deflect from your own question does not change that.
 

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Free free free. Step right up folks and get all the goddamn free shit your little vile greedy heart desires. Other people having to work to pay your bills so what could be better?

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch". I hope you get the picture.
Who said anything about free? Why are you putting up that strawman? Do you understand that taxation is paying for stuff?
 

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Actually it is giving them money. The infrastructure these corporations, or for that matter you use costs money. Fire department, military, police, education, the internet, etc., etc., none of it is free. This means it has to be funded by taxation. Less taxation means either the government borrows the money or levies the populace and corporations for it.

This position requires you believe that Gov owns ALL of the money and therefore lowering the tax rate IS giving them money.
 

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Who said anything about free? Why are you putting up that strawman? Do you understand that taxation is paying for stuff?
The thing that you don't seem to understand is that if you get something for nutin then somebody else has to pay for it.

These filthy ass socialist countries that provides all this free shit all have extremely progressive tax rates. Most of the people getting the free shit didn't pay in enough taxes to cover the benefits received and that is despicable.
 

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Who said anything about free? Why are you putting up that strawman? Do you understand that taxation is paying for stuff?
Indeed.

Democrats' 'COVID Bill' Spends Billions on Foreign Aid ...


The 5,593-page budget-busting "coronavirus relief" bill was posted online Monday afternoon.

  • $169,739,000 to Vietnam, including $19 million to remediate dioxins (page 1476).
  • Unspecified funds to “continue support for not-for-profit institutions of higher education in Kabul, Afghanistan that are accessible to both women and men in a coeducational environment” (page 1477).
  • $198,323,000 to Bangladesh, including $23.5 million to support Burmese refugees and $23.3 million for “democracy programs” (page 1485).
  • $130,265,000 to Nepal for “development and democracy programs” (page 1485).
  • Pakistan: $15 million for “democracy programs” and $10 million for “gender programs” (page 1486).
  • Sri Lanka: Up to $15 million “for the refurbishing of a high endurance cutter,” which is a type of patrol boat (page 1489).
  • $505,925,000 to Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama to “address key factors that contribute to the migration of unaccompanied, undocumented minors to the United States” (pages 1490-1491).
  • $461,375,000 to Colombia for programs related to counternarcotics and human rights (pages 1494-1496).
  • $74.8 million to the “Caribbean Basin Security Initiative” (page 1498).
  • $33 million “for democracy programs for Venezuela” (page 1498).
  • Unspecified amount to Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Curacao, and Trinidad and Tobago “for assistance for communities in countries supporting or otherwise impacted by refugees from Venezuela” (page 1499).
  • $132,025,000 “for assistance for Georgia” (page 1499).
  • $453 million “for assistance for Ukraine” (page 1500)
 

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Indeed.

Democrats' 'COVID Bill' Spends Billions on Foreign Aid ...


The 5,593-page budget-busting "coronavirus relief" bill was posted online Monday afternoon.

  • $169,739,000 to Vietnam, including $19 million to remediate dioxins (page 1476).
  • Unspecified funds to “continue support for not-for-profit institutions of higher education in Kabul, Afghanistan that are accessible to both women and men in a coeducational environment” (page 1477).
  • $198,323,000 to Bangladesh, including $23.5 million to support Burmese refugees and $23.3 million for “democracy programs” (page 1485).
  • $130,265,000 to Nepal for “development and democracy programs” (page 1485).
  • Pakistan: $15 million for “democracy programs” and $10 million for “gender programs” (page 1486).
  • Sri Lanka: Up to $15 million “for the refurbishing of a high endurance cutter,” which is a type of patrol boat (page 1489).
  • $505,925,000 to Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama to “address key factors that contribute to the migration of unaccompanied, undocumented minors to the United States” (pages 1490-1491).
  • $461,375,000 to Colombia for programs related to counternarcotics and human rights (pages 1494-1496).
  • $74.8 million to the “Caribbean Basin Security Initiative” (page 1498).
  • $33 million “for democracy programs for Venezuela” (page 1498).
  • Unspecified amount to Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Curacao, and Trinidad and Tobago “for assistance for communities in countries supporting or otherwise impacted by refugees from Venezuela” (page 1499).
  • $132,025,000 “for assistance for Georgia” (page 1499).
  • $453 million “for assistance for Ukraine” (page 1500)
All of those clandestine money traps once they allocate to an offshore sovereign filter back into this country through boomerang bank accounts that pay our DC swamprats in illegitimate payola scams....so the more they pay out to foreign nations the more they are paying themselves. This appears as a variety of legit looking business deals like the Kemp <>Raffensperger<>China medical equipment scandal in Georgia for instance. I'm talking all of them....they all do it .... Rand Paul maybe not.

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The biggest beneficiaries of free government money are people like yourself, who get far more then they pay in.
I know for a fact that corporations in the US pay a FRACTION of the tax rates of normal people.
 

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This position requires you believe that Gov owns ALL of the money and therefore lowering the tax rate IS giving them money.
No, it doesn't. It requires me to believe that the government in order to do its job requires money to operate. And since I want the government to do its job the society as a whole needs to fund it by giving a PART of what it earns to do so. It is no different than anyone paying a PART of what they earn in order to pay for a tv, or for instance a cleaning service.
 

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Letting people or establishments keep more of their money, isnt showering them with anything. Its letting them keep more of their money.
I will honestly never understand the mind of a federal supremacist and their lack of logic and reasoning.
What I never understand is this idea that you can have a functioning society with all the things that go with it without having to provide money to fund it.
 

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No, it doesn't. It requires me to believe that the government in order to do its job requires money to operate. And since I want the government to do its job the society as a whole needs to fund it by giving a PART of what it earns to do so. It is no different than anyone paying a PART of what they earn in order to pay for a tv, or for instance a cleaning service.

You haven't thought it through, sorry.
If they are "giving" something back they have to "own" it in the first place.
 

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I know for a fact that corporations in the US pay a FRACTION of the tax rates of normal people.
Please explain why you think this matters
 

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Allowing corporations to have a zero tax liability or in some cases $$$ back on a tax return IS giving them $$$, you moron.

So, one person goes to college has to pay for the entire tuition. the other person gets a full scholarship.
So, which one is getting something for free.

Has nobody ever explained that to you?
Government gave someone money? What did government hold a bake sale or something? Where do you think the money came from? :itsok:
 

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I know for a fact that corporations in the US pay a FRACTION of the tax rates of normal people.
Corporations in the US are owned by normal people. Normal people have trillions of dollars in pension, retirement, and personal savings invested in the very corporations you are demonizing. I guess you are demonizing normal people. :itsok:
 

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What I never understand is this idea that you can have a functioning society with all the things that go with it without having to provide money to fund it.
No, you wont understand freedom and individuality. Thats why we kicked yalls statist asses.
 

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