Jobless claims at a 49 year low...

[danielpalos]

The tax cut was not in place for the first 3 months of the FY, I have told you that twice now and you still keep lying about it. How embarrassing for you.

AND it makes NO difference whether tax cuts were in place dummy!
We are comparing 12 months including Obama's Oct 2016,Nov 2016 and Dec 2016... and then Trump became President and was then responsible.
You are NOT showing with this dumb ass chart apples to apples as people like you are wont to do!

Compare 12 months to 12 months OK? GEEZ once again "statistician"????
View attachment 217665

The tax cuts have not been in place for 12 months, thus we cannot compare a full 12 months yet. That is why I am comparing 8 months to 8 months.

.

And you are totally discounting the FACT that payroll taxes comprise almost 34% of gross tax revenue and Personal income tax comprise 47% or a total 81%
This means if you have as of Aug 2018 161,776,000 compared to Aug 2017 of 153,471,000 or 8,305,000 more people working and paying income and payroll taxes.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

In Oct 2017 Average hourly wage was $22.18 United States Average Hourly Wages | 1964-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar
So in August 2018 at average of 40 hours times $22.18 equals $887.20. A total of $7.4 billion a week more in payroll than in 2017.
Employer and employee PAYROLL TAXES paid per week in Aug 2018 =12.4% or on $887.20 $110.01 per employee means nearly $1 billion MORE per week in payroll taxes.

And this is not counting income taxes on this additional $7.4 billion.


View attachment 217706

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


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Spending is the only thing that creates debt.

Only thing.

Why is it soo difficult, to get rid of the drug war? it is just a Waste of Tax money.

 

[sealybobo]

Trump gave the economy a huge stimulus should give us a short term bump. It has. Bfd.

Well I would hope you can understand the 180º difference between the following statements AND actions taken by Obama and President Trump.
It certainly doesn't bode well when a President suggests 1,400 companies close up, let go 450,000 people, stop paying $100 billion a year in taxes AND during that same period
encourage foreign oil while DISCOURAGING American oil production. All the while encourage more government rules and regulations along with destroying the environment by putting 1 million barrels of oil a day on the open ocean. And then suggest we should get use to higher gas prices and skyrocketing utility rates.

NONE. I guarantee NONE of the following statements would be made by Trump!
View attachment 217590

I will go with the flow. Vote democratic to restore some checks and balances to the 3 branches.

This reminds me of Reagan and bush. Corporations loved them but the middle class took a step back. Let’s see if people are better off in 2019. Or are they no better off than they were when obama was doing a great job.

Remember you didn’t believe Obama’s unemployment numbers but you do now. Hypocrites

Vote democrat to turn this country into a socialist hell hole. Putting people like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on the court fixes a lot of checks and balances issues. Problem is you traitors want law interpreted like you see fit, not by the constitution.

And you know what Mike? I know your side has won. I think a blend of both sides is vital to having a strong middle class but fuck all those low educated manual laborers who under our rule had worker rights, good healthcare, social security, Medicare, pensions and savings.

Today 65% of Americans have zero savings. Good luck trying to retire with cuts to your social security and Medicare. Good luck trying to retire at 65. Oops. I’m sorry, it’s 67 now. Maybe in a few years they’ll raise it to 70 if they don’t end it completely.

All those guys who worked for ford gm Chrysler and raised guys like me, their grandkids won’t have it so good. And my generation isn’t going to leave anything to our kids like our parents did us.

So you will never make America great like we did. But, fuck all those blue collar guys who will die broke. They should have voted.

And us winning the midterms isn’t going to fix anything. Not even 2020. Because the idiots who were smart enough to vote you out in 2020 aren’t smart enough to show up every 2 years. Midterms are the cons secret weapon. That and gerrymandering. And we didn’t show in 2016 and trump got 2 maybe 3 Supreme Court picks. Boy we got conned

 

[Weatherman2020]

AND it makes NO difference whether tax cuts were in place dummy!
We are comparing 12 months including Obama's Oct 2016,Nov 2016 and Dec 2016... and then Trump became President and was then responsible.
You are NOT showing with this dumb ass chart apples to apples as people like you are wont to do!

Compare 12 months to 12 months OK? GEEZ once again "statistician"????
View attachment 217665

The tax cuts have not been in place for 12 months, thus we cannot compare a full 12 months yet. That is why I am comparing 8 months to 8 months.

.

And you are totally discounting the FACT that payroll taxes comprise almost 34% of gross tax revenue and Personal income tax comprise 47% or a total 81%
This means if you have as of Aug 2018 161,776,000 compared to Aug 2017 of 153,471,000 or 8,305,000 more people working and paying income and payroll taxes.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

In Oct 2017 Average hourly wage was $22.18 United States Average Hourly Wages | 1964-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar
So in August 2018 at average of 40 hours times $22.18 equals $887.20. A total of $7.4 billion a week more in payroll than in 2017.
Employer and employee PAYROLL TAXES paid per week in Aug 2018 =12.4% or on $887.20 $110.01 per employee means nearly $1 billion MORE per week in payroll taxes.

And this is not counting income taxes on this additional $7.4 billion.


View attachment 217706

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


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Spending is the only thing that creates debt.

Only thing.

Why is it soo difficult, to get rid of the drug war? it is just a Waste of Tax money.

Because a war that is to be won must be caught like it is to be won.

Off topic.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The tax cut was not in place for the first 3 months of the FY, I have told you that twice now and you still keep lying about it. How embarrassing for you.

AND it makes NO difference whether tax cuts were in place dummy!
We are comparing 12 months including Obama's Oct 2016,Nov 2016 and Dec 2016... and then Trump became President and was then responsible.
You are NOT showing with this dumb ass chart apples to apples as people like you are wont to do!

Compare 12 months to 12 months OK? GEEZ once again "statistician"????
View attachment 217665

The tax cuts have not been in place for 12 months, thus we cannot compare a full 12 months yet. That is why I am comparing 8 months to 8 months.

.

And you are totally discounting the FACT that payroll taxes comprise almost 34% of gross tax revenue and Personal income tax comprise 47% or a total 81%
This means if you have as of Aug 2018 161,776,000 compared to Aug 2017 of 153,471,000 or 8,305,000 more people working and paying income and payroll taxes.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

In Oct 2017 Average hourly wage was $22.18 United States Average Hourly Wages | 1964-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar
So in August 2018 at average of 40 hours times $22.18 equals $887.20. A total of $7.4 billion a week more in payroll than in 2017.
Employer and employee PAYROLL TAXES paid per week in Aug 2018 =12.4% or on $887.20 $110.01 per employee means nearly $1 billion MORE per week in payroll taxes.

And this is not counting income taxes on this additional $7.4 billion.


View attachment 217706

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/mts0218.pdf

To make a TRUE comparison you have to compare months to months and doing that based on the above data here are the results.
View attachment 217721

Look dumb fuck, it is Sept and your chart ends in Feb.

I have compared months to months 9 times now. You are just too stupid to understand basic math


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

 

[danielpalos]

The tax cuts have not been in place for 12 months, thus we cannot compare a full 12 months yet. That is why I am comparing 8 months to 8 months.

.

And you are totally discounting the FACT that payroll taxes comprise almost 34% of gross tax revenue and Personal income tax comprise 47% or a total 81%
This means if you have as of Aug 2018 161,776,000 compared to Aug 2017 of 153,471,000 or 8,305,000 more people working and paying income and payroll taxes.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

In Oct 2017 Average hourly wage was $22.18 United States Average Hourly Wages | 1964-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar
So in August 2018 at average of 40 hours times $22.18 equals $887.20. A total of $7.4 billion a week more in payroll than in 2017.
Employer and employee PAYROLL TAXES paid per week in Aug 2018 =12.4% or on $887.20 $110.01 per employee means nearly $1 billion MORE per week in payroll taxes.

And this is not counting income taxes on this additional $7.4 billion.


View attachment 217706

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

Spending is the only thing that creates debt.

Only thing.

Why is it soo difficult, to get rid of the drug war? it is just a Waste of Tax money.

Because a war that is to be won must be caught like it is to be won.

Off topic.

i agree to disagree.

so what if jobless claims, follow a decade long trend.

 

[healthmyths]

AND it makes NO difference whether tax cuts were in place dummy!
We are comparing 12 months including Obama's Oct 2016,Nov 2016 and Dec 2016... and then Trump became President and was then responsible.
You are NOT showing with this dumb ass chart apples to apples as people like you are wont to do!

Compare 12 months to 12 months OK? GEEZ once again "statistician"????
View attachment 217665

The tax cuts have not been in place for 12 months, thus we cannot compare a full 12 months yet. That is why I am comparing 8 months to 8 months.

.

And you are totally discounting the FACT that payroll taxes comprise almost 34% of gross tax revenue and Personal income tax comprise 47% or a total 81%
This means if you have as of Aug 2018 161,776,000 compared to Aug 2017 of 153,471,000 or 8,305,000 more people working and paying income and payroll taxes.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

In Oct 2017 Average hourly wage was $22.18 United States Average Hourly Wages | 1964-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar
So in August 2018 at average of 40 hours times $22.18 equals $887.20. A total of $7.4 billion a week more in payroll than in 2017.
Employer and employee PAYROLL TAXES paid per week in Aug 2018 =12.4% or on $887.20 $110.01 per employee means nearly $1 billion MORE per week in payroll taxes.

And this is not counting income taxes on this additional $7.4 billion.


View attachment 217706

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


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Spending is the only thing that creates debt.

Only thing.

Guess what moron...when you spend more and bring in less, debt goes up faster.


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Remember YOU are the one who praised Obama's contribution to the economy... right? Only problem is your deity Obama didn't contribute ONE iota to the positive growth
as these statements AND actions illustrate. So yes you are right... if you SPEND more as Obama did (debt increased more than 5 previous presidents in SPITE of $800 billion TARP
paid back) but you discourage capitalism as the following attests... what would you expect?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The tax cuts have not been in place for 12 months, thus we cannot compare a full 12 months yet. That is why I am comparing 8 months to 8 months.

.

And you are totally discounting the FACT that payroll taxes comprise almost 34% of gross tax revenue and Personal income tax comprise 47% or a total 81%
This means if you have as of Aug 2018 161,776,000 compared to Aug 2017 of 153,471,000 or 8,305,000 more people working and paying income and payroll taxes.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

In Oct 2017 Average hourly wage was $22.18 United States Average Hourly Wages | 1964-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar
So in August 2018 at average of 40 hours times $22.18 equals $887.20. A total of $7.4 billion a week more in payroll than in 2017.
Employer and employee PAYROLL TAXES paid per week in Aug 2018 =12.4% or on $887.20 $110.01 per employee means nearly $1 billion MORE per week in payroll taxes.

And this is not counting income taxes on this additional $7.4 billion.


View attachment 217706

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

Spending is the only thing that creates debt.

Only thing.

Guess what moron...when you spend more and bring in less, debt goes up faster.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

Remember YOU are the one who praised Obama's contribution to the economy... right? Only problem is your deity Obama didn't contribute ONE iota to the positive growth
as these statements AND actions illustrate. So yes you are right... if you SPEND more as Obama did (debt increased more than 5 previous presidents in SPITE of $800 billion TARP
paid back) but you discourage capitalism as the following attests... what would you expect?
View attachment 217725

Lying bastard. I have never praised Obama for anything.

You got your ass handed to you on taxes so now you resort to lying about me like you lie about running your own business.


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[healthmyths]

AND it makes NO difference whether tax cuts were in place dummy!
We are comparing 12 months including Obama's Oct 2016,Nov 2016 and Dec 2016... and then Trump became President and was then responsible.
You are NOT showing with this dumb ass chart apples to apples as people like you are wont to do!

Compare 12 months to 12 months OK? GEEZ once again "statistician"????
View attachment 217665

The tax cuts have not been in place for 12 months, thus we cannot compare a full 12 months yet. That is why I am comparing 8 months to 8 months.

.

And you are totally discounting the FACT that payroll taxes comprise almost 34% of gross tax revenue and Personal income tax comprise 47% or a total 81%
This means if you have as of Aug 2018 161,776,000 compared to Aug 2017 of 153,471,000 or 8,305,000 more people working and paying income and payroll taxes.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

In Oct 2017 Average hourly wage was $22.18 United States Average Hourly Wages | 1964-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar
So in August 2018 at average of 40 hours times $22.18 equals $887.20. A total of $7.4 billion a week more in payroll than in 2017.
Employer and employee PAYROLL TAXES paid per week in Aug 2018 =12.4% or on $887.20 $110.01 per employee means nearly $1 billion MORE per week in payroll taxes.

And this is not counting income taxes on this additional $7.4 billion.


View attachment 217706

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/mts0218.pdf

To make a TRUE comparison you have to compare months to months and doing that based on the above data here are the results.
View attachment 217721

Look dumb fuck, it is Sept and your chart ends in Feb.

I have compared months to months 9 times now. You are just too stupid to understand basic math


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And I compared MONTHS to MONTHS... October 2016 to October 2017, November 2016 to November 2017,etc....
That is simple comparisons which is what you tried to manipulate. You have NOT compared months to months.
Which is bigger Oct 2017 or Oct 2016? Which is bigger November 2017 or November 2016? NOW that is a month to month comparison.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The tax cuts have not been in place for 12 months, thus we cannot compare a full 12 months yet. That is why I am comparing 8 months to 8 months.

.

And you are totally discounting the FACT that payroll taxes comprise almost 34% of gross tax revenue and Personal income tax comprise 47% or a total 81%
This means if you have as of Aug 2018 161,776,000 compared to Aug 2017 of 153,471,000 or 8,305,000 more people working and paying income and payroll taxes.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

In Oct 2017 Average hourly wage was $22.18 United States Average Hourly Wages | 1964-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar
So in August 2018 at average of 40 hours times $22.18 equals $887.20. A total of $7.4 billion a week more in payroll than in 2017.
Employer and employee PAYROLL TAXES paid per week in Aug 2018 =12.4% or on $887.20 $110.01 per employee means nearly $1 billion MORE per week in payroll taxes.

And this is not counting income taxes on this additional $7.4 billion.


View attachment 217706

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/mts0218.pdf

To make a TRUE comparison you have to compare months to months and doing that based on the above data here are the results.
View attachment 217721

Look dumb fuck, it is Sept and your chart ends in Feb.

I have compared months to months 9 times now. You are just too stupid to understand basic math


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

And I compared MONTHS to MONTHS... October 2016 to October 2017, November 2016 to November 2017,etc....
That is simple comparisons which is what you tried to manipulate. You have NOT compared months to months.
Which is bigger Oct 2017 or Oct 2016? Which is bigger November 2017 or November 2016? NOW that is a month to month comparison.

View attachment 217727

Look dumb fuck, the tax cut took effect in Jan 2018. So when looking at the impact of the tax cut Oct, Nov and Dec of 2017 are irrelevant.

What those months do show is that without a tax cut revenue was going up, after the tax cut it is now going down.

I have done a month to month comparison 9 times for you.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

 

[miketx]

Trump gave the economy a huge stimulus should give us a short term bump. It has. Bfd.

Well I would hope you can understand the 180º difference between the following statements AND actions taken by Obama and President Trump.
It certainly doesn't bode well when a President suggests 1,400 companies close up, let go 450,000 people, stop paying $100 billion a year in taxes AND during that same period
encourage foreign oil while DISCOURAGING American oil production. All the while encourage more government rules and regulations along with destroying the environment by putting 1 million barrels of oil a day on the open ocean. And then suggest we should get use to higher gas prices and skyrocketing utility rates.

NONE. I guarantee NONE of the following statements would be made by Trump!
View attachment 217590

I will go with the flow. Vote democratic to restore some checks and balances to the 3 branches.

This reminds me of Reagan and bush. Corporations loved them but the middle class took a step back. Let’s see if people are better off in 2019. Or are they no better off than they were when obama was doing a great job.

Remember you didn’t believe Obama’s unemployment numbers but you do now. Hypocrites

Vote democrat to turn this country into a socialist hell hole. Putting people like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh on the court fixes a lot of checks and balances issues. Problem is you traitors want law interpreted like you see fit, not by the constitution.

And you know what Mike? I know your side has won. I think a blend of both sides is vital to having a strong middle class but fuck all those low educated manual laborers who under our rule had worker rights, good healthcare, social security, Medicare, pensions and savings.

Today 65% of Americans have zero savings. Good luck trying to retire with cuts to your social security and Medicare. Good luck trying to retire at 65. Oops. I’m sorry, it’s 67 now. Maybe in a few years they’ll raise it to 70 if they don’t end it completely.

All those guys who worked for ford gm Chrysler and raised guys like me, their grandkids won’t have it so good. And my generation isn’t going to leave anything to our kids like our parents did us.

So you will never make America great like we did. But, fuck all those blue collar guys who will die broke. They should have voted.

And us winning the midterms isn’t going to fix anything. Not even 2020. Because the idiots who were smart enough to vote you out in 2020 aren’t smart enough to show up every 2 years. Midterms are the cons secret weapon. That and gerrymandering. And we didn’t show in 2016 and trump got 2 maybe 3 Supreme Court picks. Boy we got conned

So let it be written...

 

[healthmyths]

And you are totally discounting the FACT that payroll taxes comprise almost 34% of gross tax revenue and Personal income tax comprise 47% or a total 81%
This means if you have as of Aug 2018 161,776,000 compared to Aug 2017 of 153,471,000 or 8,305,000 more people working and paying income and payroll taxes.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

In Oct 2017 Average hourly wage was $22.18 United States Average Hourly Wages | 1964-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar
So in August 2018 at average of 40 hours times $22.18 equals $887.20. A total of $7.4 billion a week more in payroll than in 2017.
Employer and employee PAYROLL TAXES paid per week in Aug 2018 =12.4% or on $887.20 $110.01 per employee means nearly $1 billion MORE per week in payroll taxes.

And this is not counting income taxes on this additional $7.4 billion.


View attachment 217706

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/mts0218.pdf

To make a TRUE comparison you have to compare months to months and doing that based on the above data here are the results.
View attachment 217721

Look dumb fuck, it is Sept and your chart ends in Feb.

I have compared months to months 9 times now. You are just too stupid to understand basic math


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

And I compared MONTHS to MONTHS... October 2016 to October 2017, November 2016 to November 2017,etc....
That is simple comparisons which is what you tried to manipulate. You have NOT compared months to months.
Which is bigger Oct 2017 or Oct 2016? Which is bigger November 2017 or November 2016? NOW that is a month to month comparison.

View attachment 217727

Look dumb fuck, the tax cut took effect in Jan 2018. So when looking at the impact of the tax cut Oct, Nov and Dec of 2017 are irrelevant.

What those months do show is that without a tax cut revenue was going up, after the tax cut it is now going down.

I have done a month to month comparison 9 times for you.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

AND where in the original thread was there ANY discussion of a TAX CUT???

The major point of this thread was jobless claims at a 49 year low. What has that to do with "tax cuts"?
Now WHAT it does have to do with is INCREASED TAX REVENUES from PAYROLL TAXES something being an employee all your life I am sure YOU didn't know
your employer ALSO matched! If you were an employer like I am you would totally understand that the simple concept that:
A) If more people are working then both employers and employees pay payroll taxes which account for 34% of gross federal revenue.
B) If you cut corporate taxes from 35% to 21% that's 14% reduction no question...BUT...
AGAIN... look at this chart! Corporate taxes account for 9%... So you cut Corporate taxes big DEAL!
You will make up the difference because NOW again being a simple employee means nothing to someone who has been use to taking orders and never responsible for decisions,
an employer can now have MORE money to hire more people. Again.. remember a simple fact.
6.2% paid in Payroll tax by the Employer is a lot less than 35% paid in corporate taxes.

So again.. just to keep your attention. NO MENTION was made of tax cuts UNTIL you had to inject what YOU thought was a negative. And so you are really illustrating the
vast difference between someone who takes orders and someone who is responsible i.e. employer for giving them.
Maybe if you had enough balls to take risks as I've done over my life instead of having someone else be responsible maybe you can understand the gross distinction
between your deity Obama and Trump. Obama took no risks. Community organizer. NEVER built shit... VS Trump and while I agree he is a loud mouth, boisterous, obnoxious
braggart he is DIFFERENT from all other Presidents as he truly loves America and wants what's best for HIM by the way which is also WHAT is BEST for America, i.e.
economic growth creates security in America. Unlike Obama who you evidently think was better qualified, Trump is allowing AMERICA to become energy independent.
So grow up and use your skull for something other than battering people with nonsense comparisons which again were never asked for in this original thread!

 

[sealybobo]

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/mts0218.pdf

To make a TRUE comparison you have to compare months to months and doing that based on the above data here are the results.
View attachment 217721

Look dumb fuck, it is Sept and your chart ends in Feb.

I have compared months to months 9 times now. You are just too stupid to understand basic math


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

And I compared MONTHS to MONTHS... October 2016 to October 2017, November 2016 to November 2017,etc....
That is simple comparisons which is what you tried to manipulate. You have NOT compared months to months.
Which is bigger Oct 2017 or Oct 2016? Which is bigger November 2017 or November 2016? NOW that is a month to month comparison.

View attachment 217727

Look dumb fuck, the tax cut took effect in Jan 2018. So when looking at the impact of the tax cut Oct, Nov and Dec of 2017 are irrelevant.

What those months do show is that without a tax cut revenue was going up, after the tax cut it is now going down.

I have done a month to month comparison 9 times for you.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

AND where in the original thread was there ANY discussion of a TAX CUT???

The major point of this thread was jobless claims at a 49 year low. What has that to do with "tax cuts"?
Now WHAT it does have to do with is INCREASED TAX REVENUES from PAYROLL TAXES something being an employee all your life I am sure YOU didn't know
your employer ALSO matched! If you were an employer like I am you would totally understand that the simple concept that:
A) If more people are working then both employers and employees pay payroll taxes which account for 34% of gross federal revenue.
B) If you cut corporate taxes from 35% to 21% that's 14% reduction no question...BUT...
AGAIN... look at this chart! Corporate taxes account for 9%... So you cut Corporate taxes big DEAL!
You will make up the difference because NOW again being a simple employee means nothing to someone who has been use to taking orders and never responsible for decisions,
an employer can now have MORE money to hire more people. Again.. remember a simple fact.
6.2% paid in Payroll tax by the Employer is a lot less than 35% paid in corporate taxes.

So again.. just to keep your attention. NO MENTION was made of tax cuts UNTIL you had to inject what YOU thought was a negative. And so you are really illustrating the
vast difference between someone who takes orders and someone who is responsible i.e. employer for giving them.
Maybe if you had enough balls to take risks as I've done over my life instead of having someone else be responsible maybe you can understand the gross distinction
between your deity Obama and Trump. Obama took no risks. Community organizer. NEVER built shit... VS Trump and while I agree he is a loud mouth, boisterous, obnoxious
braggart he is DIFFERENT from all other Presidents as he truly loves America and wants what's best for HIM by the way which is also WHAT is BEST for America, i.e.
economic growth creates security in America. Unlike Obama who you evidently think was better qualified, Trump is allowing AMERICA to become energy independent.
So grow up and use your skull for something other than battering people with nonsense comparisons which again were never asked for in this original thread!
View attachment 217733

When obama left office household income near all time high, uninsured rate all time low, poverty rates were falling, wages were rising.

Don’t forget when the recovery started. Trump didn’t need to pass that tax break. We will pay for trumpanomics like we did bushanomics

 

[healthmyths]

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/mts0218.pdf

To make a TRUE comparison you have to compare months to months and doing that based on the above data here are the results.
View attachment 217721

Look dumb fuck, it is Sept and your chart ends in Feb.

I have compared months to months 9 times now. You are just too stupid to understand basic math


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

And I compared MONTHS to MONTHS... October 2016 to October 2017, November 2016 to November 2017,etc....
That is simple comparisons which is what you tried to manipulate. You have NOT compared months to months.
Which is bigger Oct 2017 or Oct 2016? Which is bigger November 2017 or November 2016? NOW that is a month to month comparison.

View attachment 217727

Look dumb fuck, the tax cut took effect in Jan 2018. So when looking at the impact of the tax cut Oct, Nov and Dec of 2017 are irrelevant.

What those months do show is that without a tax cut revenue was going up, after the tax cut it is now going down.

I have done a month to month comparison 9 times for you.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

AND where in the original thread was there ANY discussion of a TAX CUT???

The major point of this thread was jobless claims at a 49 year low. What has that to do with "tax cuts"?
Now WHAT it does have to do with is INCREASED TAX REVENUES from PAYROLL TAXES something being an employee all your life I am sure YOU didn't know
your employer ALSO matched! If you were an employer like I am you would totally understand that the simple concept that:
A) If more people are working then both employers and employees pay payroll taxes which account for 34% of gross federal revenue.
B) If you cut corporate taxes from 35% to 21% that's 14% reduction no question...BUT...
AGAIN... look at this chart! Corporate taxes account for 9%... So you cut Corporate taxes big DEAL!
You will make up the difference because NOW again being a simple employee means nothing to someone who has been use to taking orders and never responsible for decisions,
an employer can now have MORE money to hire more people. Again.. remember a simple fact.
6.2% paid in Payroll tax by the Employer is a lot less than 35% paid in corporate taxes.

So again.. just to keep your attention. NO MENTION was made of tax cuts UNTIL you had to inject what YOU thought was a negative. And so you are really illustrating the
vast difference between someone who takes orders and someone who is responsible i.e. employer for giving them.
Maybe if you had enough balls to take risks as I've done over my life instead of having someone else be responsible maybe you can understand the gross distinction
between your deity Obama and Trump. Obama took no risks. Community organizer. NEVER built shit... VS Trump and while I agree he is a loud mouth, boisterous, obnoxious
braggart he is DIFFERENT from all other Presidents as he truly loves America and wants what's best for HIM by the way which is also WHAT is BEST for America, i.e.
economic growth creates security in America. Unlike Obama who you evidently think was better qualified, Trump is allowing AMERICA to become energy independent.
So grow up and use your skull for something other than battering people with nonsense comparisons which again were never asked for in this original thread!
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When obama left office household income near all time high, uninsured rate all time low, poverty rates were falling, wages were rising.

Don’t forget when the recovery started. Trump didn’t need to pass that tax break. We will pay for trumpanomics like we did bushanomics

Right most people on food stamps in historyhttp://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Monthly.jpg

There never were 46 million uninsured!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

None of that changes the FACT that since the tax cuts become law, Federal Tax revenue has decreased as compared to the same period a year ago.


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https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/mts0218.pdf

To make a TRUE comparison you have to compare months to months and doing that based on the above data here are the results.
View attachment 217721

Look dumb fuck, it is Sept and your chart ends in Feb.

I have compared months to months 9 times now. You are just too stupid to understand basic math


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And I compared MONTHS to MONTHS... October 2016 to October 2017, November 2016 to November 2017,etc....
That is simple comparisons which is what you tried to manipulate. You have NOT compared months to months.
Which is bigger Oct 2017 or Oct 2016? Which is bigger November 2017 or November 2016? NOW that is a month to month comparison.

View attachment 217727

Look dumb fuck, the tax cut took effect in Jan 2018. So when looking at the impact of the tax cut Oct, Nov and Dec of 2017 are irrelevant.

What those months do show is that without a tax cut revenue was going up, after the tax cut it is now going down.

I have done a month to month comparison 9 times for you.


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AND where in the original thread was there ANY discussion of a TAX CUT???

The major point of this thread was jobless claims at a 49 year low. What has that to do with "tax cuts"?
Now WHAT it does have to do with is INCREASED TAX REVENUES from PAYROLL TAXES something being an employee all your life I am sure YOU didn't know
your employer ALSO matched! If you were an employer like I am you would totally understand that the simple concept that:
A) If more people are working then both employers and employees pay payroll taxes which account for 34% of gross federal revenue.
B) If you cut corporate taxes from 35% to 21% that's 14% reduction no question...BUT...
AGAIN... look at this chart! Corporate taxes account for 9%... So you cut Corporate taxes big DEAL!
You will make up the difference because NOW again being a simple employee means nothing to someone who has been use to taking orders and never responsible for decisions,
an employer can now have MORE money to hire more people. Again.. remember a simple fact.
6.2% paid in Payroll tax by the Employer is a lot less than 35% paid in corporate taxes.

So again.. just to keep your attention. NO MENTION was made of tax cuts UNTIL you had to inject what YOU thought was a negative. And so you are really illustrating the
vast difference between someone who takes orders and someone who is responsible i.e. employer for giving them.
Maybe if you had enough balls to take risks as I've done over my life instead of having someone else be responsible maybe you can understand the gross distinction
between your deity Obama and Trump. Obama took no risks. Community organizer. NEVER built shit... VS Trump and while I agree he is a loud mouth, boisterous, obnoxious
braggart he is DIFFERENT from all other Presidents as he truly loves America and wants what's best for HIM by the way which is also WHAT is BEST for America, i.e.
economic growth creates security in America. Unlike Obama who you evidently think was better qualified, Trump is allowing AMERICA to become energy independent.
So grow up and use your skull for something other than battering people with nonsense comparisons which again were never asked for in this original thread!
View attachment 217733

There is no way you are an employer. You did not know the difference between a FY and a CY and you did not even know what CY stood for. Plus you could not understand why the government had not yet published the total tax revenue for the month of September 2018.


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[healthmyths]

https://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/mts0218.pdf

To make a TRUE comparison you have to compare months to months and doing that based on the above data here are the results.
View attachment 217721

Look dumb fuck, it is Sept and your chart ends in Feb.

I have compared months to months 9 times now. You are just too stupid to understand basic math


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And I compared MONTHS to MONTHS... October 2016 to October 2017, November 2016 to November 2017,etc....
That is simple comparisons which is what you tried to manipulate. You have NOT compared months to months.
Which is bigger Oct 2017 or Oct 2016? Which is bigger November 2017 or November 2016? NOW that is a month to month comparison.

View attachment 217727

Look dumb fuck, the tax cut took effect in Jan 2018. So when looking at the impact of the tax cut Oct, Nov and Dec of 2017 are irrelevant.

What those months do show is that without a tax cut revenue was going up, after the tax cut it is now going down.

I have done a month to month comparison 9 times for you.


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AND where in the original thread was there ANY discussion of a TAX CUT???

The major point of this thread was jobless claims at a 49 year low. What has that to do with "tax cuts"?
Now WHAT it does have to do with is INCREASED TAX REVENUES from PAYROLL TAXES something being an employee all your life I am sure YOU didn't know
your employer ALSO matched! If you were an employer like I am you would totally understand that the simple concept that:
A) If more people are working then both employers and employees pay payroll taxes which account for 34% of gross federal revenue.
B) If you cut corporate taxes from 35% to 21% that's 14% reduction no question...BUT...
AGAIN... look at this chart! Corporate taxes account for 9%... So you cut Corporate taxes big DEAL!
You will make up the difference because NOW again being a simple employee means nothing to someone who has been use to taking orders and never responsible for decisions,
an employer can now have MORE money to hire more people. Again.. remember a simple fact.
6.2% paid in Payroll tax by the Employer is a lot less than 35% paid in corporate taxes.

So again.. just to keep your attention. NO MENTION was made of tax cuts UNTIL you had to inject what YOU thought was a negative. And so you are really illustrating the
vast difference between someone who takes orders and someone who is responsible i.e. employer for giving them.
Maybe if you had enough balls to take risks as I've done over my life instead of having someone else be responsible maybe you can understand the gross distinction
between your deity Obama and Trump. Obama took no risks. Community organizer. NEVER built shit... VS Trump and while I agree he is a loud mouth, boisterous, obnoxious
braggart he is DIFFERENT from all other Presidents as he truly loves America and wants what's best for HIM by the way which is also WHAT is BEST for America, i.e.
economic growth creates security in America. Unlike Obama who you evidently think was better qualified, Trump is allowing AMERICA to become energy independent.
So grow up and use your skull for something other than battering people with nonsense comparisons which again were never asked for in this original thread!
View attachment 217733

There is no way you are an employer. You did not know the difference between a FY and a CY and you did not even know what CY stood for. Plus you could not understand why the government had not yet published the total tax revenue for the month of September 2018.


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Where did I NOT know CY was current year vs FY was fiscal year?
More importantly where did I ever use September 2018 revenue?
These are the charts I used. Where is September 2018 ?

Please prove to me where I used September 2018 revenue?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Look dumb fuck, it is Sept and your chart ends in Feb.

I have compared months to months 9 times now. You are just too stupid to understand basic math


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And I compared MONTHS to MONTHS... October 2016 to October 2017, November 2016 to November 2017,etc....
That is simple comparisons which is what you tried to manipulate. You have NOT compared months to months.
Which is bigger Oct 2017 or Oct 2016? Which is bigger November 2017 or November 2016? NOW that is a month to month comparison.

View attachment 217727

Look dumb fuck, the tax cut took effect in Jan 2018. So when looking at the impact of the tax cut Oct, Nov and Dec of 2017 are irrelevant.

What those months do show is that without a tax cut revenue was going up, after the tax cut it is now going down.

I have done a month to month comparison 9 times for you.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

AND where in the original thread was there ANY discussion of a TAX CUT???

The major point of this thread was jobless claims at a 49 year low. What has that to do with "tax cuts"?
Now WHAT it does have to do with is INCREASED TAX REVENUES from PAYROLL TAXES something being an employee all your life I am sure YOU didn't know
your employer ALSO matched! If you were an employer like I am you would totally understand that the simple concept that:
A) If more people are working then both employers and employees pay payroll taxes which account for 34% of gross federal revenue.
B) If you cut corporate taxes from 35% to 21% that's 14% reduction no question...BUT...
AGAIN... look at this chart! Corporate taxes account for 9%... So you cut Corporate taxes big DEAL!
You will make up the difference because NOW again being a simple employee means nothing to someone who has been use to taking orders and never responsible for decisions,
an employer can now have MORE money to hire more people. Again.. remember a simple fact.
6.2% paid in Payroll tax by the Employer is a lot less than 35% paid in corporate taxes.

So again.. just to keep your attention. NO MENTION was made of tax cuts UNTIL you had to inject what YOU thought was a negative. And so you are really illustrating the
vast difference between someone who takes orders and someone who is responsible i.e. employer for giving them.
Maybe if you had enough balls to take risks as I've done over my life instead of having someone else be responsible maybe you can understand the gross distinction
between your deity Obama and Trump. Obama took no risks. Community organizer. NEVER built shit... VS Trump and while I agree he is a loud mouth, boisterous, obnoxious
braggart he is DIFFERENT from all other Presidents as he truly loves America and wants what's best for HIM by the way which is also WHAT is BEST for America, i.e.
economic growth creates security in America. Unlike Obama who you evidently think was better qualified, Trump is allowing AMERICA to become energy independent.
So grow up and use your skull for something other than battering people with nonsense comparisons which again were never asked for in this original thread!
View attachment 217733

There is no way you are an employer. You did not know the difference between a FY and a CY and you did not even know what CY stood for. Plus you could not understand why the government had not yet published the total tax revenue for the month of September 2018.


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Where did I NOT know CY was current year vs FY was fiscal year?
More importantly where did I ever use September 2018 revenue?
These are the charts I used. Where is September 2018 ?

Please prove to me where I used September 2018 revenue?

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View attachment 217758

I did not say you used September 2018, I said you asked why I didn't use it..

Post number 100 in this thread...WHAT happened to September 2018?

You were asking me why I did not use the data from September 2018.

 

[sealybobo]

Look dumb fuck, it is Sept and your chart ends in Feb.

I have compared months to months 9 times now. You are just too stupid to understand basic math


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And I compared MONTHS to MONTHS... October 2016 to October 2017, November 2016 to November 2017,etc....
That is simple comparisons which is what you tried to manipulate. You have NOT compared months to months.
Which is bigger Oct 2017 or Oct 2016? Which is bigger November 2017 or November 2016? NOW that is a month to month comparison.

View attachment 217727

Look dumb fuck, the tax cut took effect in Jan 2018. So when looking at the impact of the tax cut Oct, Nov and Dec of 2017 are irrelevant.

What those months do show is that without a tax cut revenue was going up, after the tax cut it is now going down.

I have done a month to month comparison 9 times for you.


Sent from my iPhone using USMessageBoard.com

AND where in the original thread was there ANY discussion of a TAX CUT???

The major point of this thread was jobless claims at a 49 year low. What has that to do with "tax cuts"?
Now WHAT it does have to do with is INCREASED TAX REVENUES from PAYROLL TAXES something being an employee all your life I am sure YOU didn't know
your employer ALSO matched! If you were an employer like I am you would totally understand that the simple concept that:
A) If more people are working then both employers and employees pay payroll taxes which account for 34% of gross federal revenue.
B) If you cut corporate taxes from 35% to 21% that's 14% reduction no question...BUT...
AGAIN... look at this chart! Corporate taxes account for 9%... So you cut Corporate taxes big DEAL!
You will make up the difference because NOW again being a simple employee means nothing to someone who has been use to taking orders and never responsible for decisions,
an employer can now have MORE money to hire more people. Again.. remember a simple fact.
6.2% paid in Payroll tax by the Employer is a lot less than 35% paid in corporate taxes.

So again.. just to keep your attention. NO MENTION was made of tax cuts UNTIL you had to inject what YOU thought was a negative. And so you are really illustrating the
vast difference between someone who takes orders and someone who is responsible i.e. employer for giving them.
Maybe if you had enough balls to take risks as I've done over my life instead of having someone else be responsible maybe you can understand the gross distinction
between your deity Obama and Trump. Obama took no risks. Community organizer. NEVER built shit... VS Trump and while I agree he is a loud mouth, boisterous, obnoxious
braggart he is DIFFERENT from all other Presidents as he truly loves America and wants what's best for HIM by the way which is also WHAT is BEST for America, i.e.
economic growth creates security in America. Unlike Obama who you evidently think was better qualified, Trump is allowing AMERICA to become energy independent.
So grow up and use your skull for something other than battering people with nonsense comparisons which again were never asked for in this original thread!
View attachment 217733

When obama left office household income near all time high, uninsured rate all time low, poverty rates were falling, wages were rising.

Don’t forget when the recovery started. Trump didn’t need to pass that tax break. We will pay for trumpanomics like we did bushanomics

Right most people on food stamps in historyhttp://www.trivisonno.com/wp-content/uploads/Food-Stamps-Monthly.jpg

There never were 46 million uninsured!
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View attachment 217751

Cherry picker. Plus, it was Bush's Great Recession that put all those people on food stamps.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The number of people receiving food aid under the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly known as “food stamps”) rose by a third under Obama.

In Obama’s last month in office, there were just under 42.7 million Americans receiving SNAP assistance, a gain of 10.7 million or just under 33.5 percent from January 2009.

 

[sealybobo]

The number of people receiving food aid under the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly known as “food stamps”) rose by a third under Obama.

In Obama’s last month in office, there were just under 42.7 million Americans receiving SNAP assistance, a gain of 10.7 million or just under 33.5 percent from January 2009.

This is one thing I won't argue with conservatives about. If you want welfare or food stamps, you should have to work for it. Even if just 10 hours a week. Do you know what that will do? That will make the people who don't really need it not come to get it. If all you have to do is go fill out some forms and then start getting your free money/food every month no questions asked for an indefinite amount of time, why would anyone ever stop getting it? Make them work even 5 hours a week and most of these lazy slackers will find another way to put food on the table. Or maybe they don't buy that X Box game counsel or maybe they only smoke 2 packs a day knowing that their kid needs food.

I know a lot of people who are on SNAP but don't really NEED it. They qualify for it but they don't need it. IMO only people with kids should be getting SNAP.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The number of people receiving food aid under the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (formerly known as “food stamps”) rose by a third under Obama.

In Obama’s last month in office, there were just under 42.7 million Americans receiving SNAP assistance, a gain of 10.7 million or just under 33.5 percent from January 2009.

This is one thing I won't argue with conservatives about. If you want welfare or food stamps, you should have to work for it. Even if just 10 hours a week. Do you know what that will do? That will make the people who don't really need it not come to get it. If all you have to do is go fill out some forms and then start getting your free money/food every month no questions asked for an indefinite amount of time, why would anyone ever stop getting it? Make them work even 5 hours a week and most of these lazy slackers will find another way to put food on the table. Or maybe they don't buy that X Box game counsel or maybe they only smoke 2 packs a day knowing that their kid needs food.

I know a lot of people who are on SNAP but don't really NEED it. They qualify for it but they don't need it. IMO only people with kids should be getting SNAP.

Oh the entire system is broken but the Leftists don't understand how it works. They just want "free" stuff and don't understand that it is not actually free.