Jimmy Carter is the worst president in US history

[Mac-7]

I spent a lot of time in Iran.

I know

Also Saudi Arabia too if I remember correctly from a previous forum

 

[Mac-7]

We get the government we deserve. Unfortunately.

Sadly, yes

 

[surada]

I know

Also Saudi Arabia too if I remember correctly from a previous forum

Yes, I lived in Saudi Arabia. Best place for petroleum engineers in the world and their families. You've heard of ARAMCO.

 

[JLW]

The fact is that when the CIA and other western powers instigated the coup against Mossedegh, a revolution and uprising was inevitable. Nearly, if not every foreign leader, that the CIA backed in a coup attempt were all eventually deposed. If a leader has to use the military or a secret police to control its people, revolution is inevitable.

 

[Mac-7]

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP79T00826A001000010064-4.pdf

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I know there are some stupid people in the State Dept

It attracts them like iron to a magnet

But not even they would think replacing the shah with muslim fanatics is a good idea

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I know there are some stupid people in the State Dept

It attracts them like iron to a magnet

But not even they would think replacing the shah with muslim fanatics is a good idea

That is why I believe they just wanted to scare him and it got out of their control.

The misread the sentiment in the country

 

[surada]

The fact is that when the CIA and other western powers instigated the coup against Mossedegh, a revolution and uprising was inevitable. Nearly, if not every foreign leader, that the CIA backed in a coup attempt were all eventually deposed. If a leader has to use the military or a secret police to control its people, revolution is inevitable.

We trained the Savak. Kermit Roosevelt and Swartzkof's father thought it was a good idea.

 

[surada]

I know there are some stupid people in the State Dept

It attracts them like iron to a magnet

But not even they would think replacing the shah with muslim fanatics is a good idea

They didn't listen to Arabs, oilmen, diplomats or expats.

 

[Mac-7]

That is why I believe they just wanted to scare him and it got out of their control.

The misread the sentiment in the country

Sort of Farsi liars poker?

 

[Redfish]

There would have been no change if the US had not supported it.

Iran would have followed India's course and we are not enemies with India.

It's a moot discussion since the worst President, at least in my lifetime was Dubya. He got us into a decades long war in Afghanistan and gave birth to ISIS.

I am no fan of the bushies, you want to talk about Afghanistan? then lets talk about the biden withdrawal and the billions of dollars of military equipment he left for the taliban and the thousands of humans he abandoned.

 

[Redfish]

Yes, I lived in Saudi Arabia. Best place for petroleum engineers in the world and their families. You've heard of ARAMCO.

just don't get caught with a Bible or a cross.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I am no fan of the bushies, you want to talk about Afghanistan? then lets talk about the biden withdrawal and the billions of dollars of military equipment he left for the taliban and the thousands of humans he abandoned.

if only the CIC that took out 75% of the troops had taken that with them when there was enough troops to actually do so.

 

[alang1216]

I am no fan of the bushies, you want to talk about Afghanistan? then lets talk about the biden withdrawal and the billions of dollars of military equipment he left for the taliban and the thousands of humans he abandoned.

You mean when he followed the treaty that Trump negotiated with the Taliban? BTW, that military equipment was provided to the Afghan Army over decades, it was no longer US equipment.

 

[Redfish]

if only the CIC that took out 75% of the troops had taken that with them when there was enough troops to actually do so.

no sane military man removes the troops first, and leaves the equipment and our allies to the enemy.

 

[JoeB131]

no sane military man removes the troops first, and leaves the equipment and our allies to the enemy.

Except it wasn't our equipment, we gave it to the Afghan Government with the expectation they'd fight for their own country.

The same mistake we made in Vietnam. We got in the middle of someone else's civil war, and we propped up the losing side.

 

[surada]

I am no fan of the bushies, you want to talk about Afghanistan? then lets talk about the biden withdrawal and the billions of dollars of military equipment he left for the taliban and the thousands of humans he abandoned.

Trump pulled out 80% of US troops and removed no weapons or equipment.

Expats are responsible for themselves. That's why there are "don't travel" warnings.... They had 20 months to leave.

Do you understand that the US government has no jurisdiction over Americans abroad?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

no sane military man removes the troops first, and leaves the equipment and our allies to the enemy.

I agree. That is why when we went from over 13000 troops to less than 2000 is when the equipment should have been taken.

 

[surada]

no sane military man removes the troops first, and leaves the equipment and our allies to the enemy.

Exactly! But that's exactly what Trump did. By September 2020 he had also freed 5000 prisoners. His negotiations with the Taliban in Doha are not impressive.

 

[Redfish]

Exactly! But that's exactly what Trump did. By September 2020 he had also freed 5000 prisoners. His negotiations with the Taliban in Doha are not impressive.

your imaginary version of history is amusing.

 

[Zebra]

opinions vary

Wasn't Mr. Peanuts the worst president in US history

No reason to exonerate him from being negligently at the fascist Ayatollahs rise. Since 1979: The long bloody trail of crimes of the mullahs: In their totalitarian regime, massacres, mass torture (not just 1988) for so many years. And then the bloodshed in Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Israel-Palestine...

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Yes!