Exactly! The Czar was firmly on the throne and an autocratic ruler when the Cossacks turned on their fellow Russians who were Jewish and tried to kill them. It's ridiculous how many posters on USMB are totally ignorant of basic history. They need to look up the word "pogram," involving as they did attacks on innocent villagers.
I tell you that I would be thoroughly pissed if somebody tried to wipe out my family and me.
BTW: My grandfather and his brothers (Catholic) got the hell out of Russia before the Czar was deposed, but after Gamps served in the Russian army. There are also stories about the Russian Orthodox not liking Catholics.
Threads like this one are so bizarre.
Belarusians , Poles ?
you are right Muscovites hate Catholics, Muscovy is the only one big empire which Pope has not visited
My grandfather and his family were from Minsk. There are stories that the books in my grandfather's childhood home that were in Polish were hidden under the floorboards until his tutor came and that a Catholic could not rise too far in the Russian army. ***Witold,*** Antony, and Constanty were out of there by 1914. They made great citizens of Long Island, NY, U.S.A.
as i thought they were Litvins/Belarusians . Witold was the name of Litvin/Belarusian Grand prince . both slightly victimsb

of end of 19c. - 1917
Polonization
Litvin - Wikipedia
Polonization - Wikipedia
Thank you so much for these links. Fascinating. I want to know more. I did not know anything about what happened.
Polish really was the language of choice in mother's household, but they did not teach it to us younguns. Unfortunately, my grandfather had a stroke when I was very, very young, and his speech was so garbled that I could never understand, but he had the brightest smile whenever one of us grandkids came in and we could do no wrong.
What stories he could have told! But I did sneak him his Lucky Strikes, and Nana would have a fit. He could do anything with plants, make anything grow. He worked on the big Russian estates on the North Shore. For years there was a tree in backyard that grew two kinds of pears because he had grafted a limb on it. He even had cats who would never have to do with anyone else but him. At least I got to dance to his 78 Tchaikovsky records when I was around five.
in 1917 Muscovy was such backward empire that Polish (written form) was more popular than Muscovite (old-Bulgarian) language , GDL szlachta have used Polish in Catholic Churches and in clerical work from XVII century. statut (Constitution ) VKL not allowed to sell land to foreigners (including Crown Poles) so anything Polish in Miensk could be only product of
Polonization . + you are too soft on Jews , so typical for Litvins ))) . the Polish ideology (much like Muscovite , Borad is a typical Maskal) is hard - core antisemitic
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Following the
demise of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth in the end of the 18th century, the Polonization trends initially continued in Lithuania, Belarus and Polish-dominated parts of Ukraine as the initially liberal policies of the Empire gave the Polish elite significant concessions in the local affairs. Dovnar-Zapolsky notes
[35] that the Polonization actually intensified under the liberal rule[
citation needed] of
Alexander I, particularly due to the efforts of Polish intellectuals who led the
Vilnius University which was organized in 1802–1803 from the Academy in Vilna (
Schola Princeps Vilnensis), vastly expanded and given the highest
Imperial status under the new name
Vilna Imperial University (
Imperatoria Universitas Vilnensis).
[36] By the Emperor's order, the Vilna education district overseen by
Adam Czartoryski, a personal friend of Alexander, was greatly expanded to include the vast territories in the West of the
Russian Empire stretching to Kiev in south-east and much of the Polish territory and the development of the University, which had no rival in the whole district, received the highest priority of the Imperial authorities which granted it significant freedom and autonomy.
[36] With the effort of Polish intellectuals who served the
rectors of the University, Hieronim Strojnowski,
Jan Ĺšniadecki, Szymon Malewski, as well as Czartoryski who oversaw them, the University became the center of Polish patriotism and culture; and as the only University of the district the center attracted the young nobility of all ethnicities from this extensive region.
[36][37]
With time, the traditional
Latin was fully eliminated from the University and by 1816 it was fully replaced by Polish and Russian. This change both affected and reflected a profound change in the Belarusian and Lithuanian secondary schools systems where Latin was also traditionally used as the University was the main source of the teachers for these schools. Additionally, the University was responsible for the textbooks selection and only Polish textbooks were approved for printing and usage.
[37]
Dovnar-Zapolsky notes that "the 1800s–1810s had seen the unprecedented prosperity of the Polish culture and language in the former Great Duchy of Lithuania lands" and "this era has seen the effective completion of the Polonization of the smallest nobility, with further reduction of the areal of use of the contemporary
Belarusian language.
[38] also noting that the Polonization trend had been complemented with the (covert) anti-Russian and
anti-Eastern Orthodox trends.
[39] The results of these trends are best reflected in the
ethnic censuses in previously non-Polish territories.
Following the Polish
November uprising aimed at breaking away from Russia, the Imperial policies finally changed abruptly. The University was forcibly closed in 1832 and the following years where characterized by the policies aimed at the assimilationist solution of the "Polish question", a trend that was further strengthened following another unsuccessful
uprising (1863).[
citation needed]
In the 19th century, the mostly unchallenged Polonization trend of the previous centuries had been met staunchly by then "
anti-Polish"
Russification policy, with temporary successes on both sides, like Polonization rises in mid-1850s and in 1880s and Russification strengthenings in 1830s and in 1860s.
[40] Any Polonization of the east and west territories (Russian and German partitions) occurred in the situation were Poles had steadily diminishing influence on the government. Partition of Poland posed a genuine threat to the continuation of Polish language-culture in those regions.
[26] As Polonization was centered around Polish culture, policies aimed at weakening and destroying it had a significant impact on weakening Polonization of those regions. This was particularly visible in Russian-occupied Poland, where the Polish culture fared worst, as Russian administration gradually became strongly
anti-Polish.
[26] After a brief and relatively liberal early period in the early 19th century, where Poland was allowed to retain some autonomy as the
Congress Poland puppet state,
[41] the situation for Polish culture steadily worsened."