Jefferson Davis - He should've died in prison. He was responsible for so much death, destruction, misery.

[martybegan]

Not if all southern traitors were deported to Kansas like we did with any other native tribe.


Again ashame. It caused us 100 hundred years of misery.


Agreed. We could have had an industrious South that was the shining beacon of the world. Instead we Mississippi.

that was the failure of Reconstruction, not the surrender terms. Again, blame Booth for that.

 

[Zincwarrior]

that was the failure of Reconstruction, not the surrender terms. Again, blame Booth for that.

No I blame Lincoln and Grant for that. They should have immediately started rounding up the traitors in every state they reconquered and started sending them to Kansas.

 

[martybegan]

No I blame Lincoln and Grant for that. They should have immediately started rounding up the traitors in every state they reconquered and started sending them to Kansas.

Nope, the whole Union purpose was to bring those people back into the Union, not to kill or punish them.

 

[Eman623]

And a Southern Conservative shot Lincoln for that.

And that was a bad thing.

Right?

 

[Eman623]

Sadly I agree. Imagine how much better it would have been if they were all lined up and shot.

100% false. We would today be a far less free and forgiving nation. The killings would have gone on for decades. We might not even be a single country today.

 

[Eman623]

Not if all southern traitors were deported to Kansas like we did with any other native tribe.

So you would depopulate the south and what, erect a giant wall around the state? Or would you keep millions of Northerners as soldiers to police Kansas? So many reasons why that is a stupid idea.

Again ashame. It caused us 100 hundred years of misery.

Some have this perverse need to resurrect the misery.

Agreed. We could have had an industrious South that was the shining beacon of the world. Instead we Mississippi.

WTF is with you and Mississippi? Have you even been there?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Nope, the whole Union purpose was to bring those people back into the Union, not to kill or punish them.

Again, stupid move. Should have treated them just like we treated native Americans. The US would have been much better for it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

100% false. We would today be a far less free and forgiving nation. The killings would have gone on for decades. We might not even be a single country today.

Nah just two decades, and more malignant neglect. If its good enough for the Comanche it was good enough for Traitors.

 

[martybegan]

Again, stupid move. Should have treated them just like we treated native Americans. The US would have been much better for it.

No, it would have resulted in decades of slow burn guerilla warfare.

 

[Zincwarrior]

No, it would have resulted in decades of slow burn guerilla warfare.

Literally it couldn't. They would have been in Kansas, starving to death. Just like we treated the Cherokee.

 

[Eman623]

Nah just two decades, and more malignant neglect. If its good enough for the Comanche it was good enough for Traitors.

Ah, so "just" two decades of a 19th century police state requiring a standing army to keep millions of their fellow citizens bottled up in Kansas. What could go wrong with that?

There were a few thousands of Comanches who were not able to craft their own guns. Southerners numbered in the millions and had the knowledge of making guns.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Ah, so "just" two decades of a 19th century police state requiring a standing army to keep millions of their fellow citizens bottled up in Kansas. What could go wrong with that?

Exactly. They would have been replaced by free slaves and hard working, loyal immigrants in a decade. Whats not to like?

 

[martybegan]

Literally it couldn't. They would have been in Kansas, starving to death. Just like we treated the Cherokee.

What is this obession of yours with Kansas?

Up your Adderall.

 

[Quantrill]

Jefferson Davis deserved a firing squad, not a prison sentence. Instead, Jefferson Davis was sentenced to, and eventually released from Prison-. He should've died a horrible death in prison. He was personally responsible for so much death, destruction, misery.

Today in History: Jefferson Davis Released from Prison

When the Civil War ended, the government faced the problem of what to do with the former Confederate president, Jefferson Davis, or “Jeffie D” as Lincoln referred to him.

After Davis had been captured in Georgia, some Northerners wanted to try him as an accomplice to Lincoln’s assassination. Others wanted him prosecuted for the deadly conditions at the Andersonville prisoner of war camp. But there was no evidence for either charge.

In 1866, the House voted to try him for treason, which was agreeable to Davis. He looked forward to a trial where he could justify his actions. Now prosecutors worried a not guilty verdict might be viewed as a validation for secession.

Finally, today in 1867, he was freed from prison when several prominent men in the North signed the $100,000 bond that would release him. The publisher Horace Greeley justified his signing the bond by saying “From the hour he lays down his arms, my enemy is my formerly erring countryman.”


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Image: Horrible Human Being Jefferson Davis, 1869 (Wikimedia Commons)

Your opening statement is strange. You cite your hatred for Jeff Davis. Yet you then produce the very reasons why he shouldn't be hated.

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[Robert W]

Jefferson Davis deserved a firing squad, not a prison sentence. Instead, Jefferson Davis was sentenced to, and eventually released from Prison-. He should've died a horrible death in prison. He was personally responsible for so much death, destruction, misery.

The man actually guilty was shot to death in DC. (Abraham Lincoln)

What you are saying here is the General Goorge Washington was correct to wage war against the lawful government of the US and kill and maim thousands ....

But Jefferson Davis was wrong. You have one hell of a serious problem.

 

[Quantrill]

Like Jan6 criminals, the Southerners got pardons. Criminal pardons.

Really? Produce the pardon offered and accepted by Jeff Davis.

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[Quantrill]

Indeed! Imagine how much pain would have been saved. We could have resettled the South with immigrants and freed slaves. No Jim Crow. industry and education. Mississippi could be a shining beacon of justice instead of the hellhole that it is.

Except Jim Crow laws existed in the North before the War. Was that a shining beacon of justice?

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[Robert W]

Indeed! Imagine how much pain would have been saved. We could have resettled the South with immigrants and freed slaves. No Jim Crow. industry and education. Mississippi could be a shining beacon of justice instead of the hellhole that it is.

Ask them this. Should the war have caused the Democrats as a party to be banished?

 

[Quantrill]

No I blame Lincoln and Grant for that. They should have immediately started rounding up the traitors in every state they reconquered and started sending them to Kansas.

Just blame the South. For it was us who ran your ass back up north with your carpetbag. The traitors ran with that carpetbag full.

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[Quantrill]

Exactly. They would have been replaced by free slaves and hard working, loyal immigrants in a decade. Whats not to like?

What do you base that 'pipe dream' on?

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