Jeb Bush and the Stabbed in the Back Myth

[JoeB131]

For those not familiar with history, after Germany's defeat in World War I, those responsible for the war promoted something known as the "Dolchstoßlegende", or Stabbed in the Back Myth. In short Germany was winning the war, and the Socialists and Jews and the Left stabbed the Army in the back before Victory could be claimed.

This, of course, paved the way for the Nazis to take power and led Germany to an even more devastating defeat in World War II.

As I watch Jeb Bush flip and flop over whether or not he would have went to war with Iraq in 2003 "knowing what we know now', I see the Right trying to create it's own Stabbed in the back myth.

In this one, we get the refrain that "The Intelligence was Wrong" - As if Bush never would have attacked Iraq had the Intelligence community not given him bad intel. This flies in the face of the historical record, where Dick Cheney personally went to CIA headquarters to squeeze the kind of reports they wanted out of the intelligence, and when the CIA wouldn't give them what they wanted, they cited foreign intelligence sources like the story about yellowcake from Niger.

We get the argument that "Democrats thought Saddam had WMD's, too" and "They voted to give Bush the authorization to use force". The problem with these arguments is that they were made before 9/11 and no one was seriously advocating an invasion to get rid of Saddam. It was Bush and his team who ignored the military and intelligence communities advice on how many troops it would take to subdue Iraq and what the reaction to an invasion would be. We heard things like "The invasion will pay for itself" and "our troops would be welcomed as liberators" until it all went to shit and then we heard, "Well, the Democrats voted for the war, too."

And then we get the argument that the reason why Iraq has collapsed into Civil War was because "Obama pulled out too soon." forgetting the fact that Bush had negotiated a withdrawal and the Iraqis didn't want one American boot on their soil after 2011.

In short, this kind of revisionist history needs to be addressed. Jeb Bush needs to be pressed on it every time he opens his mouth.

 

[Disir]

You know, when Jeb first said that this is what we had to work with now then I made a decision to listen to what the guy had to say instead of trying him for his brother's actions. I did this simply because his track record is pretty crappy all by itself.

Right up until he came out with he relies on his brother for foreign policy.

Well, we cannot have this both ways.

 

[Stephanie]

You notice the left wants to talk about Everything and everyone else, but their failing party and Conditions under Obamas reign of Terror?

so what do they do. Go back to IRAQ which under Obama has become a nightmare wreak

but what else do you expect from these lib/dems?

go out and say hey, so what, the PEOPLE just kicked US into Minority in Congress under a Democrat President in two historic midterm elections?
losers can't stand on their OWN bs policies we've lived under for the LAST miserable seven years under Obama

So they resort to their dirty politics of GOTCHA questions. because they are Cowards to stand ON THEIR own

 

[JoeB131]

You notice the left wants to talk about Everything and everyone else, but their failing party and Conditions under Obamas reign of Terror?

so what do they do. Go back to IRAQ which under Obama has become a nightmare wreak

Iraq was a nightmare before Obama got there. He just ended our involvement with the nightmare because that's what people voted for.

go out and say hey, so what, the PEOPLE just kicked US into Minority in Congress under a Democrat President in two historic midterm elections?

Yeah, uh, historic. Except for 2006, 1994, 1990, 1986, 1982, 1974 and just about every other midterm where a combination of apathy, gerrymandering and not liking the incumbant has caused setbacks in for the President's party.

So how about addressing the point in the OP, Staph? Did Bush fuck up Iraq or not?

 

[JimH52]

You notice the left wants to talk about Everything and everyone else, but their failing party and Conditions under Obamas reign of Terror?

so what do they do. Go back to IRAQ which under Obama has become a nightmare wreak

but what else do you expect from these lib/dems?

go out and say hey, so what, the PEOPLE just kicked US into Minority in Congress under a Democrat President in two historic midterm elections?
losers can't stand on their OWN bs policies we've lived under for the LAST miserable seven years under Obama

So they resort to their dirty politics of GOTCHA questions. because they are Cowards to stand ON THEIR own

We will live with the incompetence of the Connecticut Cowboy for decades....

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You notice the left wants to talk about Everything and everyone else, but their failing party and Conditions under Obamas reign of Terror?

so what do they do. Go back to IRAQ which under Obama has become a nightmare wreak

but what else do you expect from these lib/dems?

go out and say hey, so what, the PEOPLE just kicked US into Minority in Congress under a Democrat President in two historic midterm elections?
losers can't stand on their OWN bs policies we've lived under for the LAST miserable seven years under Obama

So they resort to their dirty politics of GOTCHA questions. because they are Cowards to stand ON THEIR own

We will live with the incompetence of the Connecticut Cowboy for decades....

The same can be said about the Mocha Messiah

 

[Political Junky]

It seems that Jeb doesn't even want to win. He's just going through the motions, because he's expected to.

 

[deltex1]

For those not familiar with history, after Germany's defeat in World War I, those responsible for the war promoted something known as the "Dolchstoßlegende", or Stabbed in the Back Myth. In short Germany was winning the war, and the Socialists and Jews and the Left stabbed the Army in the back before Victory could be claimed.

This, of course, paved the way for the Nazis to take power and led Germany to an even more devastating defeat in World War II.

As I watch Jeb Bush flip and flop over whether or not he would have went to war with Iraq in 2003 "knowing what we know now', I see the Right trying to create it's own Stabbed in the back myth.

In this one, we get the refrain that "The Intelligence was Wrong" - As if Bush never would have attacked Iraq had the Intelligence community not given him bad intel. This flies in the face of the historical record, where Dick Cheney personally went to CIA headquarters to squeeze the kind of reports they wanted out of the intelligence, and when the CIA wouldn't give them what they wanted, they cited foreign intelligence sources like the story about yellowcake from Niger.

We get the argument that "Democrats thought Saddam had WMD's, too" and "They voted to give Bush the authorization to use force". The problem with these arguments is that they were made before 9/11 and no one was seriously advocating an invasion to get rid of Saddam. It was Bush and his team who ignored the military and intelligence communities advice on how many troops it would take to subdue Iraq and what the reaction to an invasion would be. We heard things like "The invasion will pay for itself" and "our troops would be welcomed as liberators" until it all went to shit and then we heard, "Well, the Democrats voted for the war, too."

And then we get the argument that the reason why Iraq has collapsed into Civil War was because "Obama pulled out too soon." forgetting the fact that Bush had negotiated a withdrawal and the Iraqis didn't want one American boot on their soil after 2011.

In short, this kind of revisionist history needs to be addressed. Jeb Bush needs to be pressed on it every time he opens his mouth.

"Given what we know now".....what exactly does Obama know now?

 

[occupied]

It seems that Jeb doesn't even want to win. He's just going through the motions, because he's expected to.

Perhaps but I think he is acting like a man who knows the fix is in.

 

[JimH52]

For those not familiar with history, after Germany's defeat in World War I, those responsible for the war promoted something known as the "Dolchstoßlegende", or Stabbed in the Back Myth. In short Germany was winning the war, and the Socialists and Jews and the Left stabbed the Army in the back before Victory could be claimed.

This, of course, paved the way for the Nazis to take power and led Germany to an even more devastating defeat in World War II.

As I watch Jeb Bush flip and flop over whether or not he would have went to war with Iraq in 2003 "knowing what we know now', I see the Right trying to create it's own Stabbed in the back myth.

In this one, we get the refrain that "The Intelligence was Wrong" - As if Bush never would have attacked Iraq had the Intelligence community not given him bad intel. This flies in the face of the historical record, where Dick Cheney personally went to CIA headquarters to squeeze the kind of reports they wanted out of the intelligence, and when the CIA wouldn't give them what they wanted, they cited foreign intelligence sources like the story about yellowcake from Niger.

We get the argument that "Democrats thought Saddam had WMD's, too" and "They voted to give Bush the authorization to use force". The problem with these arguments is that they were made before 9/11 and no one was seriously advocating an invasion to get rid of Saddam. It was Bush and his team who ignored the military and intelligence communities advice on how many troops it would take to subdue Iraq and what the reaction to an invasion would be. We heard things like "The invasion will pay for itself" and "our troops would be welcomed as liberators" until it all went to shit and then we heard, "Well, the Democrats voted for the war, too."

And then we get the argument that the reason why Iraq has collapsed into Civil War was because "Obama pulled out too soon." forgetting the fact that Bush had negotiated a withdrawal and the Iraqis didn't want one American boot on their soil after 2011.

In short, this kind of revisionist history needs to be addressed. Jeb Bush needs to be pressed on it every time he opens his mouth.

"Given what we know now".....what exactly does Obama know now?

Are you slow? NO WMD! THE WRONG VOUNTRY!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

For those not familiar with history, after Germany's defeat in World War I, those responsible for the war promoted something known as the "Dolchstoßlegende", or Stabbed in the Back Myth. In short Germany was winning the war, and the Socialists and Jews and the Left stabbed the Army in the back before Victory could be claimed.

This, of course, paved the way for the Nazis to take power and led Germany to an even more devastating defeat in World War II.

As I watch Jeb Bush flip and flop over whether or not he would have went to war with Iraq in 2003 "knowing what we know now', I see the Right trying to create it's own Stabbed in the back myth.

In this one, we get the refrain that "The Intelligence was Wrong" - As if Bush never would have attacked Iraq had the Intelligence community not given him bad intel. This flies in the face of the historical record, where Dick Cheney personally went to CIA headquarters to squeeze the kind of reports they wanted out of the intelligence, and when the CIA wouldn't give them what they wanted, they cited foreign intelligence sources like the story about yellowcake from Niger.

We get the argument that "Democrats thought Saddam had WMD's, too" and "They voted to give Bush the authorization to use force". The problem with these arguments is that they were made before 9/11 and no one was seriously advocating an invasion to get rid of Saddam. It was Bush and his team who ignored the military and intelligence communities advice on how many troops it would take to subdue Iraq and what the reaction to an invasion would be. We heard things like "The invasion will pay for itself" and "our troops would be welcomed as liberators" until it all went to shit and then we heard, "Well, the Democrats voted for the war, too."

And then we get the argument that the reason why Iraq has collapsed into Civil War was because "Obama pulled out too soon." forgetting the fact that Bush had negotiated a withdrawal and the Iraqis didn't want one American boot on their soil after 2011.

In short, this kind of revisionist history needs to be addressed. Jeb Bush needs to be pressed on it every time he opens his mouth.

"Given what we know now".....what exactly does Obama know now?

Are you slow? NO WMD! THE WRONG VOUNTRY!

You're the one who must be slow, even the NY Slimes admits there were WMDs

 

[JimH52]

For those not familiar with history, after Germany's defeat in World War I, those responsible for the war promoted something known as the "Dolchstoßlegende", or Stabbed in the Back Myth. In short Germany was winning the war, and the Socialists and Jews and the Left stabbed the Army in the back before Victory could be claimed.

This, of course, paved the way for the Nazis to take power and led Germany to an even more devastating defeat in World War II.

As I watch Jeb Bush flip and flop over whether or not he would have went to war with Iraq in 2003 "knowing what we know now', I see the Right trying to create it's own Stabbed in the back myth.

In this one, we get the refrain that "The Intelligence was Wrong" - As if Bush never would have attacked Iraq had the Intelligence community not given him bad intel. This flies in the face of the historical record, where Dick Cheney personally went to CIA headquarters to squeeze the kind of reports they wanted out of the intelligence, and when the CIA wouldn't give them what they wanted, they cited foreign intelligence sources like the story about yellowcake from Niger.

We get the argument that "Democrats thought Saddam had WMD's, too" and "They voted to give Bush the authorization to use force". The problem with these arguments is that they were made before 9/11 and no one was seriously advocating an invasion to get rid of Saddam. It was Bush and his team who ignored the military and intelligence communities advice on how many troops it would take to subdue Iraq and what the reaction to an invasion would be. We heard things like "The invasion will pay for itself" and "our troops would be welcomed as liberators" until it all went to shit and then we heard, "Well, the Democrats voted for the war, too."

And then we get the argument that the reason why Iraq has collapsed into Civil War was because "Obama pulled out too soon." forgetting the fact that Bush had negotiated a withdrawal and the Iraqis didn't want one American boot on their soil after 2011.

In short, this kind of revisionist history needs to be addressed. Jeb Bush needs to be pressed on it every time he opens his mouth.

"Given what we know now".....what exactly does Obama know now?

Are you slow? NO WMD! THE WRONG VOUNTRY!

You're the one who must be slow, even the NY Slimes admits there were WMDs

Link

 

[SassyIrishLass]

For those not familiar with history, after Germany's defeat in World War I, those responsible for the war promoted something known as the "Dolchstoßlegende", or Stabbed in the Back Myth. In short Germany was winning the war, and the Socialists and Jews and the Left stabbed the Army in the back before Victory could be claimed.

This, of course, paved the way for the Nazis to take power and led Germany to an even more devastating defeat in World War II.

As I watch Jeb Bush flip and flop over whether or not he would have went to war with Iraq in 2003 "knowing what we know now', I see the Right trying to create it's own Stabbed in the back myth.

In this one, we get the refrain that "The Intelligence was Wrong" - As if Bush never would have attacked Iraq had the Intelligence community not given him bad intel. This flies in the face of the historical record, where Dick Cheney personally went to CIA headquarters to squeeze the kind of reports they wanted out of the intelligence, and when the CIA wouldn't give them what they wanted, they cited foreign intelligence sources like the story about yellowcake from Niger.

We get the argument that "Democrats thought Saddam had WMD's, too" and "They voted to give Bush the authorization to use force". The problem with these arguments is that they were made before 9/11 and no one was seriously advocating an invasion to get rid of Saddam. It was Bush and his team who ignored the military and intelligence communities advice on how many troops it would take to subdue Iraq and what the reaction to an invasion would be. We heard things like "The invasion will pay for itself" and "our troops would be welcomed as liberators" until it all went to shit and then we heard, "Well, the Democrats voted for the war, too."

And then we get the argument that the reason why Iraq has collapsed into Civil War was because "Obama pulled out too soon." forgetting the fact that Bush had negotiated a withdrawal and the Iraqis didn't want one American boot on their soil after 2011.

In short, this kind of revisionist history needs to be addressed. Jeb Bush needs to be pressed on it every time he opens his mouth.

"Given what we know now".....what exactly does Obama know now?

Are you slow? NO WMD! THE WRONG VOUNTRY!

You're the one who must be slow, even the NY Slimes admits there were WMDs

Link

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html

 

[deltex1]

If we buy the media's meme that we didn't know what we should have known then, what makes us think we know now what we didn't know then...and how sure are we that not doing what we did then was the correct thing to do?

 

[pwjohn]

For those not familiar with history, after Germany's defeat in World War I, those responsible for the war promoted something known as the "Dolchstoßlegende", or Stabbed in the Back Myth. In short Germany was winning the war, and the Socialists and Jews and the Left stabbed the Army in the back before Victory could be claimed.

This, of course, paved the way for the Nazis to take power and led Germany to an even more devastating defeat in World War II.

As I watch Jeb Bush flip and flop over whether or not he would have went to war with Iraq in 2003 "knowing what we know now', I see the Right trying to create it's own Stabbed in the back myth.

In this one, we get the refrain that "The Intelligence was Wrong" - As if Bush never would have attacked Iraq had the Intelligence community not given him bad intel. This flies in the face of the historical record, where Dick Cheney personally went to CIA headquarters to squeeze the kind of reports they wanted out of the intelligence, and when the CIA wouldn't give them what they wanted, they cited foreign intelligence sources like the story about yellowcake from Niger.

We get the argument that "Democrats thought Saddam had WMD's, too" and "They voted to give Bush the authorization to use force". The problem with these arguments is that they were made before 9/11 and no one was seriously advocating an invasion to get rid of Saddam. It was Bush and his team who ignored the military and intelligence communities advice on how many troops it would take to subdue Iraq and what the reaction to an invasion would be. We heard things like "The invasion will pay for itself" and "our troops would be welcomed as liberators" until it all went to shit and then we heard, "Well, the Democrats voted for the war, too."

And then we get the argument that the reason why Iraq has collapsed into Civil War was because "Obama pulled out too soon." forgetting the fact that Bush had negotiated a withdrawal and the Iraqis didn't want one American boot on their soil after 2011.

In short, this kind of revisionist history needs to be addressed. Jeb Bush needs to be pressed on it every time he opens his mouth.

To start with here, I don't know if this comment is your creation, or something you found and posted here, but you whine about others revising history and then go on to do the exact same thing yourself. So I'm gonna go ahead splash some sorely needed truth on the tail end of your comment.

You see Bush did in fact negotiate the end of the war in Iraq while still in office and when that day finally arrived, a very big deal was made out of the last soldier driving the last motorized whatever peice of equipment out of the country with that image showing up on the front page of every newspaper in the country, every TV news channel on top of that.

And guess who stupidly took credit for ending the war in Iraq.That's right, our dear leader as he was known back then. lol.

So quit your whining, there's no need for you to revise history because Obama has only himself to blame for this particular shit stain on his administration.

 

[JoeB131]

You're the one who must be slow, even the NY Slimes admits there were WMDs

Uh, no, they didn't.

They admitted that there were old canisters of mustard gas that had been buried in 1991.

We didn't got to war over expired canisters of mustard gas.

We went to war because Saddam had nukes and anthrax he was going to give to Al Qaeda, ANY MINUTE NOW.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You're the one who must be slow, even the NY Slimes admits there were WMDs

Uh, no, they didn't.

They admitted that there were old canisters of mustard gas that had been buried in 1991.

We didn't got to war over expired canisters of mustard gas.

We went to war because Saddam had nukes and anthrax he was going to give to Al Qaeda, ANY MINUTE NOW.

Stop your god damn lying. Every time you get cornered you spin, lie or deflect

 

[JoeB131]

To start with here, I don't know if this comment is your creation, or something you found and posted here, but you whine about others revising history and then go on to do the exact same thing yourself. So I'm gonna go ahead splash some sorely needed truth on the tail end of your comment.

You see Bush did in fact negotiate the end of the war in Iraq while still in office and when that day finally arrived, a very big deal was made out of the last soldier driving the last motorized whatever peice of equipment out of the country with that image showing up on the front page of every newspaper in the country, every TV news channel on top of that.

And guess who stupidly took credit for ending the war in Iraq.That'sht, our dear leader as he was known back then. lol.

So quit your whining, there's no need for you to revise history because Obama has only himself to blame for this particular shit stain on his administration.

1) THis is my own creation.

2) You seem to want to focus on one minor point in order to ignore the gist of the comment, that the Bush family is trying to rewrite history.

3) How is Obama responsible for Nouri al-Maliki's actions after we left? al-Maliki was the guy Bush put into office, and he was the one who ignored the sensible advise to keep paying the Sunnis and involve them in Government. Not Obama.

4) Again, none of this shit stain, as you say, would have happened if Bush hadn't invaded over weapons that didn't exist with an army too small to do the job,

 

[JoeB131]

Stop your god damn lying. Every time you get cornered you spin, lie or deflect

No, you try to pretend you know anything about military stuff, which you don't.

No one went to war over canisters of mustard gas buried in 1991. That's not how Bush sold the war.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Stop your god damn lying. Every time you get cornered you spin, lie or deflect

No, you try to pretend you know anything about military stuff, which you don't.

No one went to war over canisters of mustard gas buried in 1991. That's not how Bush sold the war.

You're a clueless idiot, what's sad is numerous people tell you that but you keep going through life clueless. Typical left loon