It’s Time to Formally Declare America A Christian Nation.

[Stann]

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ding 211227-#203 “There's no good reason to make a religious argument. None is needed. The science is clear.”

ding 220624-#1,324 “Abortion is not a religious issue. Abortion is a human issue.”
ding210929-83 “Sanctity of life is a Christian value.”

ding220717-2,299 “Sanctity of life is a human issue.

NFBW: In September 2021 for you ding sanctity of life was a unique Christian value when you “needed” that in an argument.

This morning sanctity of life is strictly a human issue devoid of Christian and Catholic influence and dogma.

We are seeing how DJT.VVP Christianism works in the raw human delivery of right wing propaganda in the name of God.
Are there two separate ding s residing on our message board?

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There's no doubt that the embryo is alive; the sperm was alive and the egg is alive; but none of these are an unborn child. They are possible child, if it survives everything facing it. The woman bearing the fetus is an always will be a possible mother to a child. She is very much a person and has the full rights of any citizen including bodily autonomy. Which includes her choice as to whether or not to bring a child into this world.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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ding220717-#2,320 Yes, sanctity of life is a Christian value, … “

NFBW: Is sanctity of life a Jewish value? END2207171444

 

[Stann]

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ding220717-#2,320 Yes, sanctity of life is a Christian value, … “

NFBW: Is sanctity of life a Jewish value? END2207171444

Just to let you know, this ding character although on and on forever. You're dealing with a crazy person.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Just to let you know, this ding character although on and on forever. You're dealing with a crazy person.

I like to get as much as possible from white nationalist Trumpism Christians on the record as I can.

 

[ding]

There's no doubt that the embryo is alive; the sperm was alive and the egg is alive

Separately sperm and eggs are not a genetically distinct new human being.

but none of these are an unborn child.

An embryo is. Learn some science.

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”
Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Although it is customary to divide human development into prenatal and postnatal periods, it is important to realize that birth is merely a dramatic event during development resulting in a change in environment.”
The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology fifth edition, Moore and Persaud, 1993, Saunders Company, page 1

“It should always be remembered that many organs are still not completely developed by full-term and birth should be regarded only as an incident in the whole developmental process.”
F Beck Human Embryology, Blackwell Scientific Publications, 1985 page vi

“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”
Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

“Fertilization is the process by which male and female haploid gametes (sperm and egg) unite to produce a genetically distinct individual.”
Signorelli et al., Kinases, phosphatases and proteases during sperm capacitation, CELL TISSUE RES. 349(3):765 (Mar. 20, 2012)

“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”
Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.

“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization… is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”
Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.”
Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”
James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“In fusing together, the male and female gametes produce a fertilized single cell, the zygote, which is the start of a new individual.”
Rand McNally, Atlas of the Body (New York: Rand McNally, 1980) 139, 144

“The formation, maturation and meeting of a male and female sex cell are all preliminary to their actual union into a combined cell, or zygote, which definitely marks the beginning of a new individual. The penetration of the ovum by the spermatozoon, and the coming together and pooling of their respective nuclei, constitutes the process of fertilization.”
Leslie Brainerd Arey, “Developmental Anatomy” seventh edition space (Philadelphia: Saunders, 1974), 55

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”
DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”
Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“A zygote (a single fertilized egg cell) represents the onset of pregnancy and the genesis of new life.”
Turner, J.S., and Helms, D.B., Lifespan Developmental, 2nd ed., CBS College Publishing (Holt, Rhinehart, Winston), 1983, page 53

“Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)… The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.”
Carlson, Bruce M. Patten’s Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3

“Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism…. At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun…. The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life.”
Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand’s Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, [at conception] the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”
Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974

“The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote.”
Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual.”
Human Embryology, 3rd ed. Bradley M. Patten, (New York: McGraw Hill, 1968), 43.

“In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. … Fertilization takes place in the oviduct … resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point… This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development.”
Essentials of Human Embryology, William J. Larsen, (New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998), 1-17.

“Fertilization is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed… Fertilization is the procession of events that begins when a spermatozoon makes contact with a secondary oocyte or its investments… The zygote … is a unicellular embryo..”
Human Embryology & Teratology, Ronan R. O’Rahilly, Fabiola Muller, (New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996), 5-55.

“[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”
The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18

 

[ding]

They are possible child, if it survives everything facing it.

An embryo is a human being with potential, not a potential human being.

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point."
Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland

 

[ding]

The woman bearing the fetus is an always will be a possible mother to a child. She is very much a person and has the full rights of any citizen including bodily autonomy. Which includes her choice as to whether or not to bring a child into this world.

That will be up to each state to decide.

 

[ding]

Is sanctity of life a Jewish value?

Probably to some. Same as it is for Christians. Are you making a religious argument for abortion?

 

[ding]

Just to let you know, this ding character although on and on forever. You're dealing with a crazy person.

What exactly have I written that would make you believe I am crazy.

Aren't you the poster who said he has had a near death experience and have time traveled? You might want to be careful throwing around accusations of crazy.

 

[ding]

I like to get as much as possible from white nationalist Trumpism Christians on the record as I can.

What makes you think I voted for Trump?

 

[Stann]

I like to get as much as possible from white nationalist Trumpism Christians on the record as I can.

I understand, they really do follow the leader; just like trump, they convict themselves.

 

[Centaur]

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time to formally declare America a Christian nation.

If some of the framers intended to separate Church and state (which is not 100% certain), then it’s time to correct that mistake. it’s time for a Constitutional Amendment to declare Christianity the official belief of the United States. Here’s why:

The intent of any such separation was to prevent any single denomination from dominating or punishing members of another through government. The idea was to be religion-neutral. Noble enough. But the framers made a few critical miscalculations: They incorrectly assumed:

1. That “good” laws and “Christian” laws could be separated. They can’t. There is 100% overlap. You can’t have laws that help the people without them being Christian laws.
2. That a belief vacuum is possible in our laws. It isn’t, because the opposite of religion isn’t nothing; it’s atheism.

That’s right. When you attempt to ban Christian laws, you only allow atheist laws.

Examples:
Forcing Christian groups to pay for abortions and birth control for their employees.
Forcing Christian florists, photographers, and bakers to participate in gay weddings.
Distributing condoms in government schools to teens and preteens, suggesting that sex among these immature and obviously unmarried students is morally acceptable.
Using taxpayer funds to pay for abortions abroad.
Banning the Ten Commandments from government buildings (while flying the rainbow flag).
Banning the Nativity Scenes from government buildings.
Government sanction of Kwanzaa celebrations (a made-up racist ‘holiday’).
Disallowing references to Christmas in the public schools.
Teaching Critical Race Theory (which divides people and promotes hate).
Allowing gay marriage.

This is why the left screeches so loudly about “keeping religion out of government”. It’s because they know their atheism gets free reign if it doesn’t have to compete against Christianity.

The solution is two part: First, BAN atheism and atheistic views from being promoted by all media outlets. We’ve had such decency laws before. Hollywood enacted such standards in 1934 (that have since been repealed, unfortunately). Get rid of all the immoral trash in the movies and TV. Disallow the leftwing media from promoting atheist Marxism and other atheist policies. Then, secondly promote a Constitutional Amendment to make Christianity the official belief of the land. Then we end the abortion debate, the race-baiting issue, and the anti-capitalist pro-socialist issue once and for all. The country would once again be following God’s plan, church attendance would rise again, couples would marry instead of cohabitating, the gay marriage ruling would be repealed, families would stay together and be stronger, children would grow up in two-parent homes, so there would be far less crime. And best of all, ALL Marixst atheist disinformation would be stifled, and our children would stop being poisoned by it.

Let’s do it NOW!!

There are some interesting ideas here, but some nonsense as well.

For example, banning or criminalizing the teaching of evolution in public schools would be a good idea. Just as banning other dangerous or depraved elements from public schools, universities, and taxpayer-funded venues would be good as well

(Examples include "critical theory", "atheism" "Marxism", "LGBT politics", "drag queen story hours", etc - as well as defunding libraries, museums, or mass media such as NPR or PBS is they people dangerous, far-left views or misinformation). We would just need for the Supreme Court to overturn any first Amendment protections for any of the things mentioned above, and allow the state or federal governments to ban or criminalize them).

For example, degenerate forms of "capitalism" (which aren't really genuine capitalism, just socialism to begin with) wouldn't be allowable - such as peddling internet pornography.

Likewise, the state, its Constitution, and Laws would still be paid and funded with taxpayer money as the Founders and federal and state Constitutions intended, but of course that wouldn't be the equivalent of "socialism" or "Marxism.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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NFBW2207171422-#2,324 “I like to get as much as possible from white nationalist Trumpism Christians on the record as I can.”

ding220617-#2,330 ‘What makes you think I voted for Trump?”

NFBW: I have no idea who you voted for but from my objective observation of your posts you ideologically and politically are what I call a white nationalist Trumpism Christian.

You qualify as an authoritarian Trumpism Christian because you seek to deprive women of the right to maintain sovereignty over their own bodies. You are a white Christian Nationalist because you spread the super MAGA huge lie that America was founded as a Christian Nation.

ding200124-#491 “Locke’s ideas were based on Christianity and the Founders ideas were based on Locke’s ideas. Ergo the founders ideas were based on Christianity” END2207172000

 

[ding]

I have no idea who you voted for but from my objective observation of your posts you ideologically and politically are what I call a white nationalist Trumpism Christian.

You qualify as an authoritarian Trumpism Christian because you seek to deprive women of the right to maintain sovereignty over their own bodies. You are a white Christian Nationalist because you spread the super MAGA huge lie that America was founded as a Christian Nation.

If you have no idea who I voted for then you should probably keep your mouth shut or ask me instead.

You are upset because I beat your ass in this debate and that's why you are calling me names now.

Where did I say I wanted to deprive women of the right to maintain sovereignty over their own bodies?

 

[ding]

I understand, they really do follow the leader; just like trump, they convict themselves.

I think you are accusing others of what you do.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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ding220717-#2,320 Yes, sanctity of life is a Christian value, … “

NFBW2207171444-#2,322 : Is sanctity of life a Jewish value? END2207171444

ding 220717-#2,328 “Probably to some. Same as it is for Christians”

NFBW: Correct me if I’m wrong ding do Jews and Christians believe in the same one and only almighty GOD?

Did the first coming of Jesus change in any way the means, methods and timing that GOD inserted a soul into a brand spanking new human during the pregnancy time period?

Or has GOD been consistent from the start. END2207172218

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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ding 220717-#2,326 An embryo is a human being with potential, not a potential human being.

NFBW: if that were true ding then you would say:

A human being is a human being with potential, not a potential human being.

Why bother calling a human being an embryo if that is not what it is. END2207172305

 

[ding]

NFBW: Correct me if I’m wrong ding do Jews and Christians believe in the same one and only almighty GOD?

Did the first coming of Jesus change in any way the means, methods and timing that GOD inserted a soul into a brand spanking new human during the pregnancy time period?

Or has GOD been consistent from the start. END2207172218

What's your point? Each state will decide for itself. I suspect that conversation will start with the science and not religion.

 

[ding]

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ding 220717-#2,326 An embryo is a human being with potential, not a potential human being.

NFBW: if that were true ding then you would say:

A human being is a human being with potential, not a potential human being.

Why bother calling a human being an embryo if that is not what it is. END2207172305

No, I wouldn't say it that way. Every point along the continuum from conception to death is human. So when people who don't understand the science say it's a potential human I say it's a human with potential.

You do realize each state will decide this for themselves, right?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

What's your point?

You avoid answering this question.

NFBW: Correct me if I’m wrong ding do Jews and Christians believe in the same one and only almighty GOD?

Did the first coming of Jesus change in any way the means, methods and timing that GOD inserted a soul into a brand spanking new human during the pregnancy time period?

Or has GOD been consistent from the start. END2207172218