It's time to arrest the employers

[EvilCat Breath]

/----/ "Finally you are agreeing with us liberals? We've been saying that since the Bush years."
We've agreed with this since day one. Every business is forced to hire cheap illegals. It's the only way they can compete. All it takes is on the contractor to hire illegals and undercut the competition, then all follow suit to stay in business.
It doesn't make it right, but that's the reality.

The way to end that practice is to get rid of the illegals.

 

[sealybobo]

I've argued consistently that without the jobs here, a large percentage simply go home because there is no way but for a small few to survive here any other way.

Republicans here will argue for those illegal employers. "how were they supposed to know? They were given fake documents"

I'm sorry but if Trump knows where the illegals are, so do the illegal employers.

And it turns out IF Trump raids them, the employer will be left alone. So this is all theater. Not going to stop the problem.

I've argued consistently that without the jobs here, a large percentage simply go home because there is no way but for a small few to survive here any other way.

Republicans here will argue for those illegal employers. "how were they supposed to know? They were given fake documents"

I'm sorry but if Trump knows where the illegals are, so do the illegal employers.

And if the employers aren't going to be punished, this won't stop. Then Trump's ICE raids are just playing wackamole with illegal immigrants.

Since no one is going to read the 2006 op ed I posted, I'll just cut and paste the parts that pertain to this discussion:

The hiring crimes of Illegal Employers are being ignored by the law, and rewarded by the economic systems of the nation.

Proof that this simple reality is ignored in our media (much to the delight of Republicans) is everywhere you look. For example, check out a series of national polls. A typical poll question is like this one from an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll conducted in June, 2006:

"When it comes to the immigration bill, the Senate and the House of Representatives disagree with one another about what should be done on the issue of illegal immigration.

"Many in the House of Representatives favor strengthening security at the borders, including building a seven-hundred-mile fence along the border with Mexico to help keep illegal immigrants from entering the United States, and they favor deporting immigrants who are already in the United States illegally.

"Many in the Senate favor strengthening security at the borders, including building a three-hundred-and-seventy-mile fence along the border with Mexico to help keep illegal immigrants from entering the United States, and they favor a guest worker program to allow illegal immigrants who have jobs and who have been here for more than two years to remain in the United States.

"Which of these approaches would you prefer?"

The question: "Or would you prefer companies that employ undocumented workers be severely fined or put out of business?" wasn't even asked.

 

[sealybobo]

The way to end that practice is to get rid of the illegals.

Not if employers continue to hire. They'll keep coming. All you're doing is playing wack a mole. So it's theater. Trump shows you ICE raided somewhere and sent 5 or 50 back. And you're impressed. But how many illegals are still here?

When their employers let them go, they go home. Get it?

 

[pknopp]

As an employer, if an illegal gives you the correct paperwork, what are you gonna do about it? An employer HAS TO complete an I-9 form certifying that a person is a citizen. If the paperwork is in order, then what?

It gets kicked out when you complete all your requirements as an employer.

 

[debbiedowner]

It's time to arrest the employers​

Not going to happen as long as you have Billionaires like Ross Perot Jr who donated to Trump in 2020 and 24 that says throw the illegal criminals out, the rest are needed and to find a way to legalize them. He estimated there are over half million alone in Texas that supports the construction industry and if deportation of non criminals keeps up there won't be much of a construction industry in Texas.

 

[80zephyr]

It gets kicked out when you complete all your requirements as an employer.

Thats what I mean. And the illegal still has a job.

 

[sealybobo]

It gets kicked out when you complete all your requirements as an employer.

See what I mean? I told you ultimately Republicans are going to defend illegal employers and I even told you they'd use the ignorance argument. How were they to know? They were given fake documents. Bullshit.

Remember this? In the 2018 murder of Mollie Tibbetts, Yarabee Farms initially claimed to have used E-Verify to vet the farmworker accused of the crime. However, the farm later admitted that they had not used E-Verify and that the worker had given them false information.

A Republican owned farm. No where near a sanctuary city.

 

[pknopp]

Thats what I mean. And the illegal still has a job.

Because the employer doesn't care.

 

[sealybobo]

Thats what I mean. And the illegal still has a job.

In the 2018 murder of Mollie Tibbetts, Yarabee Farms initially claimed to have used E-Verify to vet the farmworker accused of the crime. However, the farm later admitted that they had not used E-Verify and that the worker had given them false information.

Yea sure. You didn't know all those employees who can't speak English are illegals.

 

[80zephyr]

It's time to arrest the employers​

Not going to happen as long as you have Billionaires like Ross Perot Jr who donated to Trump in 2020 and 24 that says throw the illegal criminals out, the rest are needed and to find a way to legalize them. He estimated there are over half million alone in Texas that supports the construction industry and if deportation of non criminals keeps up there won't be much of a construction industry in Texas.

Bullshit. Until the illegals took over, who do you think worked the construction? The only reason they took over is because American citizens refused to work for shit wages. Without the illegals, wages would go up and Americans would start building again.

 

[80zephyr]

In the 2018 murder of Mollie Tibbetts, Yarabee Farms initially claimed to have used E-Verify to vet the farmworker accused of the crime. However, the farm later admitted that they had not used E-Verify and that the worker had given them false information.

Yea sure. You didn't know all those employees who can't speak English are illegals.

I ran business's. If a person came in with the correct paperwork, what was I to do? Do you realize the position you put yourself in if you make an accusation and it is wrong?

 

[pknopp]

Bullshit. Until the illegals took over, who do you think worked the construction? The only reason they took over is because American citizens refused to work for shit wages. Without the illegals, wages would go up and Americans would start building again.

Which is why nothing is done. Business likes the cheap wages and business gets what business wants.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It's time to arrest the employers​

Not going to happen as long as you have Billionaires like Ross Perot Jr who donated to Trump in 2020 and 24 that says throw the illegal criminals out, the rest are needed and to find a way to legalize them. He estimated there are over half million alone in Texas that supports the construction industry and if deportation of non criminals keeps up there won't be much of a construction industry in Texas.

 

[debbiedowner]

Bullshit. Until the illegals took over, who do you think worked the construction? The only reason they took over is because American citizens refused to work for shit wages. Without the illegals, wages would go up and Americans would start building again.

There's been illegals in the industry for decades and if there had not been you would have one hell of a housing shortage and many more homeless than you have at present.

 

[Muhammed]

I'm glad you are coming around now that you are in charge.

Clinton was doing his job. Bush stopped. ON PURPOSE. Because the illegal employers asked him to stop enforcing the laws.

I remember that. I was out in my vegetable garden picking tomatoes when I heard the news that there was jobs that Americans won't do.

I can pick tomatoes a lot faster than those little Mexican Pygmies

 

[sealybobo]

Because the employer doesn't care.

Republicans swallowed the lie that millions of 150 year olds were collecting social security. Just because Elon said so. They didn't need any stinkin evidence.

Now Republicans are telling us thousands of employers across America are accepting millions of fake id's from millions of illegal immigrants.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007

Again, 2007, the Bush years. How come Republicans didn't care then? We actually had high unemployment back then. Back then it would have made sense. But instead they complained about illegals when we had really low unemployment. Vurtually zero unemployment. Isn't that weird? Today it would hurt if we sent them all home. Back in 2007 Americans needed those jobs. And Republicans said DICK about it.

 

[pknopp]

Republicans swallowed the lie that millions of 150 year olds were collecting social security. Just because Elon said so. They didn't need any stinkin evidence.

Now Republicans are telling us thousands of employers across America are accepting millions of fake id's from millions of illegal immigrants.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007

Again, 2007, the Bush years. How come Republicans didn't care then? We actually had high unemployment back then. Back then it would have made sense. But instead they complained about illegals when we had really low unemployment. Vurtually zero unemployment. Isn't that weird? Today it would hurt if we sent them all home. Back in 2007 Americans needed those jobs. And Republicans said DICK about it.

They don't actually care now either. No one does.

 

[sealybobo]

I ran business's. If a person came in with the correct paperwork, what was I to do? Do you realize the position you put yourself in if you make an accusation and it is wrong?

Yes I've heard that argument from you guys too. Sorry, they need to clean this process up then. Like social security. Figure out a way to tell if someone is giving you fake documents.

And I showed you that a lot of employers AREN'T doing Everify.

In the 2018 murder of Mollie Tibbetts, Yarabee Farms initially claimed to have used E-Verify to vet the farmworker accused of the crime. However, the farm later admitted that they had not used E-Verify and that the worker had given them false information.

 

[80zephyr]

There's been illegals in the industry for decades and if there had not been you would have one hell of a housing shortage and many more homeless than you have at present.

Back in the 1970's, us local kids would help the farmers at harvest time. Most kids made their spending money on those farms. Then the Mexicans came in, and we were all let go. So now you are gonna tell me that they are doing the work Americans won't do, right?

 

[sealybobo]

They don't actually care now either. No one does.

Trump has to do a couple ICE raids to appease his followers. Like when he built a little bit of wall on the border.