It's Time Democrats Stop Caring about the Feelings of the Right. Here is the winning argument.

Michael Fanone takes apart John Fettermann's argument, which is the argument of many so-called centrists. What he says is the truth, and if the truth makes people not vote for Democrats, then this nation deserves the punishment it will get for refusing to follow the truth.

My Message To John Fetterman: You're a Trump SUCK-UP​



What Democrats need is bare knuckle brawler. Screw be nice, fight back.
 
He votes with Democrats over 80 percent of the time. True he is not pro Hamas terrorist like a large number of the dems in Congress.
It doesn't matter. He must be banished!

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Michael Fanone takes apart John Fettermann's argument, which is the argument of many so-called centrists. What he says is the truth, and if the truth makes people not vote for Democrats, then this nation deserves the punishment it will get for refusing to follow the truth.

My Message To John Fetterman: You're a Trump SUCK-UP​


All facts.
 
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I think we're trying to solve different problems. I'm trying to mitigate the division and hatred that the two parties feast on. You're trying to "transform society".

You won't see any serious candidates until the system is changed. Or, voters grow a spine and stop falling for the lesser-of-two-evils con.
The issue won't be mitigated by appeasing the people who are the actual problem. The lesser of two evils belief has been the problem in our thinking. No one can be taken seriously if they really believe that either Clinton or Harris was equally as evil as Trump. Perhaps I could understand that thinking with Clinton, no matter how misplaced, sinceTrump had never served in political office, no one really knew the depraved person he really was. But that's not the case with Harris, given the fact that we endured a Trump presidency and knew what was coming.

You say you want different candidates. Harris and Clinton WERE different from any presidential nominees we have had. They were women. Every president has been a man. Every nominee had been a man before Clinton. Women have had a very different experience in this country and might have just come into the job with a little different perspective than a man. Especially a white man. I know how that sounds, but the reality here must be dealt with if we are going to get to the changes we really need.
 
What Democrats need is bare knuckle brawler. Screw be nice, fight back.
I accidentally hit the enter button, so don't even try it....

That's right. They need a straight-up no disqualification, last man standing, all-out brawler who will take no mecy onany repuican pponent an not cave when the disingenuous whining comes from the people he blasts.
 
Independent Thinker nor any MAGAT is a centrist.

They are far right extremists.

There is nothing centrist in ANYTHING they believe.
 
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I'm trying to mitigate the division and hatred that the two parties feast on.
Here is another mistake in your thinking, which makes me say that you have believed far too much of the right wing narrative. Opposing hate is not hate. Fighting those who divide is not division. It's time you so-called centrists took the both sides are wrong fog off your eyes and see what is really going on.
 
The issue won't be mitigated by appeasing the people who are the actual problem. The lesser of two evils belief has been the problem in our thinking. No one can be taken seriously if they really believe that either Clinton or Harris was equally as evil as Trump. Perhaps I could understand that thinking with Clinton, no matter how misplaced, sinceTrump had never served in political office, no one really knew the depraved person he really was. But that's not the case with Harris, given the fact that we endured a Trump presidency and knew what was coming.

You say you want different candidates. Harris and Clinton WERE different from any presidential nominees we have had. They were women. Every president has been a man. Every nominee had been a man before Clinton. Women have had a very different experience in this country and might have just come into the job with a little different perspective than a man. Especially a white man. I know how that sounds, but the reality here must be dealt with if we are going to get to the changes we really need.

Sure man. Everything is about racism. :rolleyes:

It's like I said, we're trying to solve different problems. You're trying to transform society to your liking and I'm trying to get us back to consensus government. But your efforts to force change on people are a big part of why we're so divided. And why you keep losing.
 
It's time you so-called centrists took the both sides are wrong fog off your eyes and see what is really going on.
I think it's kind of funny how you hardcore partisans hate independents more than the "other side". I guess it's because we're just calling bullshit on their whole charade.
 
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