It's The Federal Gov't's Responsibility To Get The Supplies!

[dannyboys]

Are you off your meds?

Why would it be the fed-gov's responsibility to buy ventilators or masks for Minnesota or Texas?

The fed-gov DID have a zillion N95 masks but obama used them all up and didn't replace them...every hospital, county, city, and state should have their own emergency supplies...Just like I do for my own personal use!

To put the responsibility for YOUR protection onto somebody else will get you killed. No matter if it's a ventilator or a gun!

Because the federal government has powers that Governors do not. Rather than having 50 Governors and numerous local officials tripping over each other, the President should be taking the lead.

The minute this health crisis is over YOU will be screaming your fucking head off at the Fed. government to "Get the fuck out of your state and never come back.
Fucking hypocrite!

 

[berg80]

After Kushner says 'it's our stockpile,' HHS website changed to echo his comments on federal crisis role

After Kushner says 'it's our stockpile,' HHS website changed to echo his comments on federal crisis role

"We're a backup," President Donald Trump said Thursday. "We're not an ordering clerk."

abcnews.go.com

It was a telling moment in the rising tensions between the Trump White House and state governors desperate for medical equipment to deal with the exploding coronavirus crisis.

At Thursday's briefing on how the government is responding, Trump's senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner scolded states for not building up their own stockpiles, saying that the "the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile, it’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use."

*But the national stockpile actually is intended for states' use, which was clearly explained on the government's own website -- until the language was changed, without explanation, hours after Kushner provided his inaccurate description.

Until Friday morning, the website of the Department of Health and Human Services, which maintains the stockpile, read, "When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency."

But midday Friday, hours after Kushner directly contradicted the language on the HHS website, the text was changed without explanation. Retroactively matching what Kushner said, the website no longer says states can rely on the stockpile, but now says it exists to “supplement” them.*

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Are you off your meds?

Why would it be the fed-gov's responsibility to buy ventilators or masks for Minnesota or Texas?

The fed-gov DID have a zillion N95 masks but obama used them all up and didn't replace them...every hospital, county, city, and state should have their own emergency supplies...Just like I do for my own personal use!

To put the responsibility for YOUR protection onto somebody else will get you killed. No matter if it's a ventilator or a gun!

It's a NATIONAL pandemic. So are you also saying that if a hurricane hits Florida they shouldn't get a dime of government money or supplies?

The states are getting trillions of dimes of assistance from the federal government

so your point is unfounded

The states Trump thinks treat him how he wants to be treated are getting what they need. There, fixed that for you.

You also need to do a little research where you will find that some of the PPE equipment they are bragging about sending is actually being handed over to private individuals who sell them to the highest bidder. which includes foreign countries. They are not just going to the people that need them the most.

And the President put a stop to that. Any other complaints?

 

[berg80]

And the President put a stop to that. Any other complaints?

When did he do that?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This pandemic is nationwide, as we have shut our borders. It is ridiculous to place all of the responsibility on the states to take care of these situations. Why has no one answered my question then? When a state gets destroyed by a hurricane or several tornadoes does that mean the federal government should not give them any money or help???

I take it that you are not familiar with hurricanes or similar disasters. I have lived in Florida since 1954, so I have lived through many! We "Floridians", are responsible to keep at least three or four days of food and supplies on hand, more if it is anticipated to be a particularly intense storm and we are in the target area. The state has the responsibility of having ample supplies for repairing/replacing downed power lines, washed-out roads, collapsed houses. Hundreds of polls, transformers, everything else on hand and then staged near the anticipated landfall. We have state plans to bring in hundreds of additional workers and vehicles from other parts of Florida and states. None of that involves the Federal government.

The Fed comes in days, weeks, months, even years later when the needs are known.

As it is well known, this pandemic is unknown territory. We have no experience with this sort of disaster. We've had hundreds of hurricanes, wildfires out West, tornadoes in the Midwest, earthquakes, and floods on which to hone our skills.

D-Day was a historic invasion of unprecedented size. The mistakes outnumbered the things that went right. Aside from the invasion itself, over 700 soldiers were killed off England in a PRACTICE invasion. In spite of all that, America, and our allies overcame all the mistakes, errors, and even the weather to WIN, because we refused to lose.

Well according to you, as I said, you STILL get federal money and help. I know the Constitution, and I know the laws. The federal government is responsible for inter-state issues, which is what a NATIONAL pandemic is. It is and has been spreading across state lines. I think you need to do a little research yourself. The virus has become a NATIONAL issue and not just a health issue, but one that is a threat to national security which has become very prominent by the spread on Navy ships and carriers.

If that's the case, then no state should be allowed to have legal marijuana. It's against the federal law. That dope gets into other states where it's not legal, therefore (according to you) it's a federal problem and must be stopped by the federal government.

 

[berg80]

*But the national stockpile actually is intended for states' use, which was clearly explained on the government's own website -- until the language was changed, without explanation, hours after Kushner provided his inaccurate description.

Until Friday morning, the website of the Department of Health and Human Services, which maintains the stockpile, read, "When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency."

After Kushner says 'it's our stockpile,' HHS website changed to echo his comments on federal crisis role

"We're a backup," President Donald Trump said Thursday. "We're not an ordering clerk."

abcnews.go.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And the President put a stop to that. Any other complaints?

When did he do that?

The other day. You should catch his press conferences on Fox since the MSM won't air them. You'd learn a lot of what we are doing on all fronts of this battle.

The President stated he is putting a stop to middle-marketers in selling of PPE to other countries for the highest bid. He stated that there will be no bidding war between the federal government and states. He also said the federal government is not responsible for states out bidding each other. That's just how the private market works.

 

[berg80]

GOP Sen. Gardner wants probe into 'mismanagement' of national stockpile

GOP Sen. Gardner wants probe into 'mismanagement' of national stockpile

Gardner also criticized Jared Kushner's comment that the stockpile isn't supposed to help the states.

www.politico.com

Sen. Cory Gardner is pushing for an investigation into possible mismanagement of the Strategic National Stockpile of ventilators needed to treat coronavirus patients — though the Colorado Republican is by no means going to war with the Trump administration over the matter.

The GOP senator wrote a letter to the Health and Human Services inspector general on Thursday requesting a probe into reports of maintenance issues and delays regarding the distribution of ventilators from the national stockpile to states. And in an interview on Friday, Gardner said that “any kind of mismanagement or abuse needs to be rooted out and those responsible held accountable.”

Gardner said his letter is not a response to that comment, which he learned of late Thursday, but he pointedly questioned Kushner’s statement in the interview.

“I don’t know what Kushner was talking about, what he meant. But the stockpile is for the country. And the country is made up of states in the federal government,” Gardner said.

 

[berg80]

And the President put a stop to that. Any other complaints?

When did he do that?

The other day. You should catch his press conferences on Fox since the MSM won't air them. You'd learn a lot of what we are doing on all fronts of this battle.

The President stated he is putting a stop to middle-marketers in selling of PPE to other countries for the highest bid. He stated that there will be no bidding war between the federal government and states. He also said the federal government is not responsible for states out bidding each other. That's just how the private market works.

And why was this being allowed in the first place? At what point do you stop giving credit to this admin for putting their fingers in holes in the dike they created.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And the President put a stop to that. Any other complaints?

When did he do that?

The other day. You should catch his press conferences on Fox since the MSM won't air them. You'd learn a lot of what we are doing on all fronts of this battle.

The President stated he is putting a stop to middle-marketers in selling of PPE to other countries for the highest bid. He stated that there will be no bidding war between the federal government and states. He also said the federal government is not responsible for states out bidding each other. That's just how the private market works.

And why was this being allowed in the first place? At what point do you stop giving credit to this admin for putting their fingers in holes in the dike they created.

How did they create it? It's called the free market, and Trump as a former businessman believes in it. We are just in unusual times right now. He issued a PDA, and is in a battle with the CEO of 3M to force them to sell masks to the US instead of Canada and Mexico.

 

[berg80]

And the President put a stop to that. Any other complaints?

When did he do that?

The other day. You should catch his press conferences on Fox since the MSM won't air them. You'd learn a lot of what we are doing on all fronts of this battle.

The President stated he is putting a stop to middle-marketers in selling of PPE to other countries for the highest bid. He stated that there will be no bidding war between the federal government and states. He also said the federal government is not responsible for states out bidding each other. That's just how the private market works.

And why was this being allowed in the first place? At what point do you stop giving credit to this admin for putting their fingers in holes in the dike they created.

How did they create it? It's called the free market, and Trump as a former businessman believes in it. We are just in unusual times right now. He issued a PDA, and is in a battle with the CEO of 3M to force them to sell masks to the US instead of Canada and Mexico.

Trump had the authority to end the bidding war before it ever got started by doing what he should have done long ago. Establish a coordinated national response regarding the acquisition and dispersal of medical supplies. What part of this being a NATIONAL emergency don't you understand?

At Thursday's briefing on how the government is responding, Trump's senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner scolded states for not building up their own stockpiles, saying that the "the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile, it’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use."

*But the national stockpile actually is intended for states' use, which was clearly explained on the government's own website -- until the language was changed, without explanation, hours after Kushner provided his inaccurate description.

Until Friday morning, the website of the Department of Health and Human Services, which maintains the stockpile, read, "When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency."

After Kushner says 'it's our stockpile,' HHS website changed to echo his comments on federal crisis role

"We're a backup," President Donald Trump said Thursday. "We're not an ordering clerk."

abcnews.go.com

 

[Desperado]

Are you off your meds?

Why would it be the fed-gov's responsibility to buy ventilators or masks for Minnesota or Texas?

The fed-gov DID have a zillion N95 masks but obama used them all up and didn't replace them...every hospital, county, city, and state should have their own emergency supplies...Just like I do for my own personal use!

To put the responsibility for YOUR protection onto somebody else will get you killed. No matter if it's a ventilator or a gun!

It's a NATIONAL pandemic. So are you also saying that if a hurricane hits Florida they shouldn't get a dime of government money or supplies?

No but you are saying if there is a hurricane in Florida, the Fed should buy the plywood for them to board up their windows.

 

[busybee01]

Because the federal government has powers that Governors do not. Rather than having 50 Governors and numerous local officials tripping over each other, the President should be taking the lead.

As you obviously never learned, within the states, the Governor and State Government has far more powers over the state than the President. You too need education on our Constitution and specifically the Tenth Amendment.

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It will teach you what the Federal Government is allowed to do for the individual states. Maybe you should check the Tenth Amendment out first. Here's the text.
The Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.

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So please show us all where all the things you believe are the responsibilities of the Federal Government or the President.

There are certain powers that the federal government has that Governors do not. States cannot enact the Defense Production Act.
A Presidewnt should take charge so you have all of the rowers going in the same direction rather than rowers going in different directions and maybe running into each other.

 

[berg80]

Are you off your meds?

Why would it be the fed-gov's responsibility to buy ventilators or masks for Minnesota or Texas?

The fed-gov DID have a zillion N95 masks but obama used them all up and didn't replace them...every hospital, county, city, and state should have their own emergency supplies...Just like I do for my own personal use!

To put the responsibility for YOUR protection onto somebody else will get you killed. No matter if it's a ventilator or a gun!

It's a NATIONAL pandemic. So are you also saying that if a hurricane hits Florida they shouldn't get a dime of government money or supplies?

No but you are saying if there is a hurricane in Florida, the Fed should buy the plywood for them to board up their windows.

This is a national emergency, not a regional problem with disaster relief from a hurricane.

 

[DGS49]

There is little evidence that anyone posting here has any idea about the Government established by the U.S. Constitution.

Primary response to this crisis rests WITH THE STATES. The Feds are in a supporting role, and to the extent the Feds have a "stockpile" it is to fulfill the Feds' obligations with respect to the Military and other Federal assets. If the Feds have more than that, they have the right to allocate the excess where THE PRESIDENT DEEMS the need to be greatest.

The Feds are in no case "responsible" to guarantee that each state has a satisfactory supply of ANYTHING. If any state experiences a shortage, that is the State's problem, not the President's.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is little evidence that anyone posting here has any idea about the Government established by the U.S. Constitution.

Primary response to this crisis rests WITH THE STATES. The Feds are in a supporting role, and to the extent the Feds have a "stockpile" it is to fulfill the Feds' obligations with respect to the Military and other Federal assets. If the Feds have more than that, they have the right to allocate the excess where THE PRESIDENT DEEMS the need to be greatest.

The Feds are in no case "responsible" to guarantee that each state has a satisfactory supply of ANYTHING. If any state experiences a shortage, that is the State's problem, not the President's.

It's so ironic how these Governors are saying Trump isn't prepared, when they were not prepared themselves. What the federal government is to provide states are in the US Constitution. Ventilators and masks are not listed.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And the President put a stop to that. Any other complaints?

When did he do that?

The other day. You should catch his press conferences on Fox since the MSM won't air them. You'd learn a lot of what we are doing on all fronts of this battle.

The President stated he is putting a stop to middle-marketers in selling of PPE to other countries for the highest bid. He stated that there will be no bidding war between the federal government and states. He also said the federal government is not responsible for states out bidding each other. That's just how the private market works.

And why was this being allowed in the first place? At what point do you stop giving credit to this admin for putting their fingers in holes in the dike they created.

How did they create it? It's called the free market, and Trump as a former businessman believes in it. We are just in unusual times right now. He issued a PDA, and is in a battle with the CEO of 3M to force them to sell masks to the US instead of Canada and Mexico.

Trump had the authority to end the bidding war before it ever got started by doing what he should have done long ago. Establish a coordinated national response regarding the acquisition and dispersal of medical supplies. What part of this being a NATIONAL emergency don't you understand?

At Thursday's briefing on how the government is responding, Trump's senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner scolded states for not building up their own stockpiles, saying that the "the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile, it’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use."

*But the national stockpile actually is intended for states' use, which was clearly explained on the government's own website -- until the language was changed, without explanation, hours after Kushner provided his inaccurate description.

Until Friday morning, the website of the Department of Health and Human Services, which maintains the stockpile, read, "When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency."

After Kushner says 'it's our stockpile,' HHS website changed to echo his comments on federal crisis role

"We're a backup," President Donald Trump said Thursday. "We're not an ordering clerk."

abcnews.go.com

And he's absolutely right. The President said the same exact thing. States are to take care of their people. The state is the main supplier of their own needs. The federal government is there as a backup--not a main supplier.

 

[berg80]

Primary response to this crisis rests WITH THE STATES.

This is a theme with you. I had to correct you when you spoke out of your ass about the right of Congress to carry out oversight on the relief bill since that right was codified in the law. Now you're spewing bullshit about state's obligations to respond to a national emergency that flies in the face of what virtually every expert has said on the matter. Don't you ever grow tired of being wrong?

 

[berg80]

And the President put a stop to that. Any other complaints?

When did he do that?

The other day. You should catch his press conferences on Fox since the MSM won't air them. You'd learn a lot of what we are doing on all fronts of this battle.

The President stated he is putting a stop to middle-marketers in selling of PPE to other countries for the highest bid. He stated that there will be no bidding war between the federal government and states. He also said the federal government is not responsible for states out bidding each other. That's just how the private market works.

And why was this being allowed in the first place? At what point do you stop giving credit to this admin for putting their fingers in holes in the dike they created.

How did they create it? It's called the free market, and Trump as a former businessman believes in it. We are just in unusual times right now. He issued a PDA, and is in a battle with the CEO of 3M to force them to sell masks to the US instead of Canada and Mexico.

Trump had the authority to end the bidding war before it ever got started by doing what he should have done long ago. Establish a coordinated national response regarding the acquisition and dispersal of medical supplies. What part of this being a NATIONAL emergency don't you understand?

At Thursday's briefing on how the government is responding, Trump's senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner scolded states for not building up their own stockpiles, saying that the "the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile, it’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use."

*But the national stockpile actually is intended for states' use, which was clearly explained on the government's own website -- until the language was changed, without explanation, hours after Kushner provided his inaccurate description.

Until Friday morning, the website of the Department of Health and Human Services, which maintains the stockpile, read, "When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency."

After Kushner says 'it's our stockpile,' HHS website changed to echo his comments on federal crisis role

"We're a backup," President Donald Trump said Thursday. "We're not an ordering clerk."

abcnews.go.com

And he's absolutely right. The President said the same exact thing. States are to take care of their people. The state is the main supplier of their own needs. The federal government is there as a backup--not a main supplier.

Bullshit. Right now the federal government under Trump's leadership is making matters worse.

"On Thursday, the Navy officer running FEMA's supply chain task force said that he was mainly focused on ensuring the flow of the gear to the commercial market -- rather than mandating it be allocated to states and localities based on need.

In effect, the federal government has left it up to hospitals and state governments to compete for masks, surgical gowns and more, a key complaint of governors across the country."

WHAT? This nitwit is facilitating the price gouging rather than getting supplies directly to the states in need.

 

[berg80]

"I'm not here to disrupt a supply chain," Rear Adm. John Polowczyk told reporters at the White house. "We are bringing product in, they are filling orders for hospitals, nursing homes, like normal. I am putting volume into that system."

YES YOU ARE NUMBNUTS. Your role, the government's role, is to get supplies to the states. Not ensure that they go through a middleman so businesses can profiteer at the expense of human life.