It's official!

[CSM]

WHAT The hell? You are not only a douche bag, you are a bald-faced LIAR. Which is it - your SON'S Birthday, or YOUR birthday?

Idiot.

If I had to guess, I would say it is neither his son's birthday nor his birthday. Just another fine feature of the internet!

 

[dmp]

If I had to guess, I would say it is neither his son's birthday nor his birthday. Just another fine feature of the internet!

Why would he make up two replies then? Odd. At least I'm borderline-honest about MY birthday.



:beers:

 

[Vintij]

Do you mind that he has a driver's License? Do you mind he eats red meat? Do you mind he lives near bears? He also sleeps on a bed. SIX HUNDRED PEOPLE per year die from falling out of bed.

You're not being attacked, you're being called-out on your bullshit replies to a young man deserving of your thanks and support.

He has my support, you dont. And right now in public, I personally thank him for having the courage to fight for our country. I dont get why he should have to though? I dont get that you, look past his age and expect him to be some kind of cowboy terrorist killer. What is the world coming to when you have to rely on 18 year old kids to fight for our freedom. Do you want to push for the draft as well?

He was in 5th grade!!!! At 9/11. Its not his war, its not his fault, he does not deserve to go through the HELL that is the middle east. Stop painting this rosie picture of IRAQ. Its not that great.

 

[Vintij]

WHAT The hell? You are not only a douche bag, you are a bald-faced LIAR. Which is it - your SON'S Birthday, or YOUR birthday?

Idiot.

That was a sarcastic reply, but I took It off because you would not get the sarcasm at your IQ level. No I dont have a son, Im 21 years old.....I did put that it was my sons birthday as a sarcastic remark, sorry for hurting your brain.

 

[Vintij]

As I wind down my participation in this thread, I would like to say to nick that I am very sorry for my first post on here. I did not mean to come off as an asswhole the way I did. Sorry for that and whatever you decide, well I dont know you but I am sure glad we have people like you who step up.

Maybe someday we will change the age to sign up to 21. I think that you Nick, are the people we should be trying to fight FOR. Not the people we should be sending to fight. Your very brave. Good luck. God speed.

 

[dmp]

He has my support, you dont. And right now in public, I personally thank him for having the courage to fight for our country.

That is ALL which was required from you in this thread. That's all that's necessary.

That was a sarcastic reply, but I took It off because you would not get the sarcasm at your IQ level. No I dont have a son, Im 21 years old.....I did put that it was my sons birthday as a sarcastic remark, sorry for hurting your brain.

That most-certainly was NOT sarcasm. Do you know what sarcasm is? try www.dictionary.com.

It was a lie. An old-fashioned lie. Perhaps you thought better of it and changed your post. If that's the case, FINE. Don't make yourself look MORE stupid by pretending it was some sort of 'joke'.

As I wind down my participation in this thread, I would like to say to nick that I am very sorry for my first post on here. I did not mean to come off as an asswhole the way I did. Sorry for that and whatever you decide, well I dont know you but I am sure glad we have people like you who step up.

There seems to be SOMETHING resembling 'decency' in you. That's a good start.

 

[Vintij]

To everyone, forgive me for posting out of context of this thread. If I was going to speak my mind about the age limit of singing a contract to the army, I should have started a new thread.

I really dont mean to piss anyone off, it is just my honest belief that 18 is simply too young to join the army. Recruters are very persuasive and 18 sometimes means you are a little in decisive about what your going to do with the rest of your life. I personally believe that at the age of 21, you know a little bit more about what you want to do with your life, and you experience a little bit of it. The reason I believe this is because at 18, I have done alot of things that I look back on and realize that It was very stupid and I did not think things through enough.

But I am sorry to everyone who was offended, just because I believe 18 year olders are easier to manipulate does not mean that every 18 year older is the same.

Live free. Make your own decisions to join whatever you want. Its america and you have that right, as I have the right to do so as well.

As for DNB, I was not lying.....I was going to act like I was a father and tell you all the things a father would tell you, or at least my dad would tell me. But I changed my mind after the first sentence and changed it. No lies, I dont lie.

But I do admire your patriotism.

 

[dmp]

As for DNB, I was not lying.....I was going to act like I was a father and tell you all the things a father would tell you, or at least my dad would tell me. But I changed my mind after the first sentence and changed it. No lies, I dont lie.

Dude - just say it like it is. You calling me a 'baffoon' betrays your intent - which was clearly not humor or sarcasm. You felt 'caught' and tried to cover it. Just man-up and say it. (shrug).

 

[Semper Fi]

To everyone, forgive me for posting out of context of this thread. If I was going to speak my mind about the age limit of singing a contract to the army, I should have started a new thread.

I really dont mean to piss anyone off, it is just my honest belief that 18 is simply too young to join the army. Recruters are very persuasive and 18 sometimes means you are a little in decisive about what your going to do with the rest of your life. I personally believe that at the age of 21, you know a little bit more about what you want to do with your life, and you experience a little bit of it. The reason I believe this is because at 18, I have done alot of things that I look back on and realize that It was very stupid and I did not think things through enough.

But I am sorry to everyone who was offended, just because I believe 18 year olders are easier to manipulate does not mean that every 18 year older is the same.

Live free. Make your own decisions to join whatever you want. Its america and you have that right, as I have the right to do so as well.

As for DNB, I was not lying.....I was going to act like I was a father and tell you all the things a father would tell you, or at least my dad would tell me. But I changed my mind after the first sentence and changed it. No lies, I dont lie.

But I do admire your patriotism.

The problem with the enlistment age being 21 is that it leaves a three year void in ones life where nothing can get done. For those like me that knew they were joining the military from the age of 5, thats just more time to run around and get in trouble. What is there to do in 3 years between 18 and 21 besides get a dead-end job and chill in your parents basement? It seems that an extra three years of training would be of more importance.

I'm not just speaking for myself, but a lot of people who join the military as a way to get out of a bad neighborhood/home life/whatever. In the three years that they arent in school and cant be in the military, what is there to do besides end up in jail or shot?

I understand where you're coming from, but raising the enlistment age to 21 destroys more options than it opens. Besides, usually people decide to enter college at the age of 18, which could be an equally "stupid" decision, should we make the age to enter college 21 as well? No, same principle stands.

 

[dmp]

re: Age limit on Enlistment:


Should remain 17 (with emancipation) - But they should be exempt from drinking age restrictions, too.

 

[CSM]

re: Age limit on Enlistment:


Should remain 17 (with emancipation) - But they should be exempt from drinking age restrictions, too.

Semper makes a good point. High school kids are expected ... no ENCOURAGED ... to make life impacting decisions well before they graduate. Joining the military is one of the options just as selecting a college or some other vocation. I suppose the difference is that the military is always less than a noble profession in some folk's view.

 

[Vintij]

Entering college at any age, is never stupid. Education if far more powerfull than a gun. And anyone can get an education, now matter how poor you are. Not everyone has the mental will to shoot someone, or watch someone die. I just want high school graduates know that there are always options after high school, other than the army. The notion that there are no options is just a huge problem to me.

That, and I dont trust recruiters, they tried to recruite my sister at the age of 15. They tried to recruite me at the age of 16. I just dont like how its more of a sales person job (go to any school, get anyone) than a way to show people with no options, an opportunity. If so they would only try to recruit people that really dont have any option other than the army, but its not the case. They go after everyone. No matter your future plans of college. I remember telling a recruiter that I am going to college after high school, he asked me "why, when you can go and learn a skill and have college payed for after you get out?". Why would he ask me to hold off college to put my life on the line, when I already told him that I want to get an education?

The administration we have now, does not deserve to tell anyone to fight anybody. If we had a more truthfull administration, who knows that lives are valuable and should not be sacraficed unless they absolutely must, then I would say that joining the army at any age, is the right thing to do because it is crucial to our immediate survival as a nation.

But thats just my opinion.

 

[CSM]

Entering college at any age, is never stupid. Education if far more powerfull than a gun. And anyone can get an education, now matter how poor you are. Not everyone has the mental will to shoot someone, or watch someone die. I just want high school graduates know that there are always options after high school, other than the army. The notion that there are no options is just a huge problem to me.

That, and I dont trust recruiters, they tried to recruite my sister at the age of 15. They tried to recruite me at the age of 16. I just dont like how its more of a sales person job (go to any school, get anyone) than a way to show people with no options, an opportunity. If so they would only try to recruit people that really dont have any option other than the army, but its not the case. They go after everyone. No matter your future plans of college. I remember telling a recruiter that I am going to college after high school, he asked me "why, when you can go and learn a skill and have college payed for after you get out?" which I thought was bullshit.

But thats just my opinion.

I dont recall anone saying that enlisting was the ONLY option.

 

[dmp]

Entering college at any age, is never stupid. Education if far more powerfull than a gun. And anyone can get an education, now matter how poor you are. Not everyone has the mental will to shoot someone, or watch someone die. I just want high school graduates know that there are always options after high school, other than the army. The notion that there are no options is just a huge problem to me.

That, and I dont trust recruiters, they tried to recruite my sister at the age of 15. They tried to recruite me at the age of 16. I just dont like how its more of a sales person job (go to any school, get anyone) than a way to show people with no options, an opportunity. If so they would only try to recruit people that really dont have any option other than the army, but its not the case. They go after everyone. No matter your future plans of college. I remember telling a recruiter that I am going to college after high school, he asked me "why, when you can go and learn a skill and have college payed for after you get out?". Why would he ask me to hold off college to put my life on the line, when I already told him that I want to get an education?

The administration we have now, does not deserve to tell anyone to fight anybody. If we had a more truthfull administration, who knows that lives are valuable and should not be sacraficed unless they absolutely must, then I would say that joining the army at any age, is the right thing to do because it is crucial to our immediate survival as a nation.

But thats just my opinion.

I've found people making the same arguments as you are generally just too afraid to admit it. (shrug).

See - you lack the sack to enlist or otherwise enter service to for the greater good of this nation. That's the bottom line. The whiny "My recruiter lied!!" lines are played out.

My recruiter told me I'd be "riding on the back of a HMMWV - shooting computer-controlled stinger missiles at airplanes. That's not what happened. We had to jump OUT of a non-armored vehicle, grab a 35lbs missile off a rack, and shoot it from our shoulder using a plastic sight.

Did he Lie? Or was he just 'wrong'? Does it even matter?

 

[Vintij]

Are you saying I am not a man until I join the amry? Right. So you answer to an officer who is not a man named Dick Cheney? Who was never in the army? You answer to someone with no sacK?

Your logic is very much fragmented. If it was true, your saying that police men, firefighters, fisherman, oil rigers, construction workers, professional atheletes, even scientists, are not men? Keep dreaming. A man makes a man, not a profession.

A gun in my hand does not make me a man.

 

[dmp]

Are you saying I am not a man until I join the amry? Right. So you answer to an officer who is not a man named Dick Cheney? Who was never in the army? You answer to someone with no sacK?

No. I didn't say you aren't a man until you join the Army. It's a clear sign you don't comprehend well, what it is you are reading. www.rif.org Try that.

I am saying you are too big of a ***** to enlist. You. Dick Cheney HAS served our nation - while in Office. Do you think his Salary as VP is more than he had at other jobs? Have you served ONE DAY for your nation, as Cheney has? You lambaste Cheney, yet you aren't worthy of smelling Cheney's turds. Dick Cheney is not in any chain of command I know of, by the way.

Your logic is very much fragmented. If it was true, your saying that police men, firefighters, fisherman, oil rigers, construction workers, professional atheletes, even scientists, are not men? Keep dreaming. A man makes a man, not a profession.

A gun in my hand does not make me a man.

Your 'if then' arguments are logical Fallacy. Seriously - you don't want to debate this with me if you have a shred of self-dignity.

 

[dmp]

As an educational Tool for the biggest 'tool' in this thread:

Here's the Chain of Command - note, please, the absence of anyone called "Vice President"


Commander-in-Chief
Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
Army Chief of Staff
Theater Commander
Corps Commander
Division Commander
Brigade Commander
Battalion/Squadron Commander
Company/Troop/Battery Commander
Platoon Leader
Section/Squad/Team Leader

 

[Semper Fi]

Entering college at any age, is never stupid. Education if far more powerfull than a gun. And anyone can get an education, now matter how poor you are. Not everyone has the mental will to shoot someone, or watch someone die. I just want high school graduates know that there are always options after high school, other than the army. The notion that there are no options is just a huge problem to me.

That, and I dont trust recruiters, they tried to recruite my sister at the age of 15. They tried to recruite me at the age of 16. I just dont like how its more of a sales person job (go to any school, get anyone) than a way to show people with no options, an opportunity. If so they would only try to recruit people that really dont have any option other than the army, but its not the case. They go after everyone. No matter your future plans of college. I remember telling a recruiter that I am going to college after high school, he asked me "why, when you can go and learn a skill and have college payed for after you get out?". Why would he ask me to hold off college to put my life on the line, when I already told him that I want to get an education?

The administration we have now, does not deserve to tell anyone to fight anybody. If we had a more truthfull administration, who knows that lives are valuable and should not be sacraficed unless they absolutely must, then I would say that joining the army at any age, is the right thing to do because it is crucial to our immediate survival as a nation.

But thats just my opinion.

I disagree that entering college is never stupid. What about the people that enter college that do nothing but party and end up dead from alcohol poisoning, or drop out after a year and have a huge debt? Wasn't college not the best choice for them?

Some recruiters are quite pushy, and some liberals are quite *****. That's no better reason to say that all recruiters are liars than to say that all liberals are pussies, no? The army I had a particular problem with, no offense to the Army personally, but the recruiters around here are rather impresonal and their biggest obsession is money for college and just plain money. The Marine Corps appealed to me because they offered me no signing bonus, talked about money for college only after I prompted them (keeping my options open for what I'll do after Im done, but wasnt a selling point to say the least), and promised me the thrill of a lifetime and a brotherhood that'll last forever. They also said that if I pass boot camp I'll be a Marine. What bigger recruiting tactic is there?

Perhaps I could have said this during my original post, but I didnt think it would come to this. Let me spell out for you the reasons why I decided to enlist in the Corps.

For one, how many tattoos do you see of a college emblem or the logo of a corporation? Very few. How many tattoos do you see of the Marine Corps' Eagle, Globe, and Anchor? Very many. Why? Because the Marine Corps, and the military in general, is a brotherhood. I look at that from the outside and see a band of rough men who will fight each other in a barracks, but fight FOR each other when shit goes down. That's what I want out of life.

Second, I look at life as nothing but one big opportunity to experience as much as you can, otherwise, I see no point in living. I was drawn to the Marine Corps because not many people can and will do it, and the life experience that it offers is unparalleled by any college or job offer. My dad in his 24 years in the Army went to Germany, Korea, Kuwait, Iraq, and then some. How many average college graduates can say the same? Some, but not the average.

Third, if I go to college, I foresee myself not being a good college student and being pissed off most of the time. After I'm done, I'll get a job, party on the weekends, eventually get married and work 9 to 5 and drive my kids to baseball practice. At night I'll stay up and wonder what Iraq was really like, or if boot camp was really all that bad. I'd have no way of knowing, right? The only experience I would know is what I did, and at a 9 to 5 corporate college grad job, my life would be rather dull. Or, not full of as much thrill and good stories as if I had enlisted in the Marines.

Fourth, I look around and see a bunch of shit throughout the world. Did you ever watch the show on the History Channel, The Horrors of Hussein? That sold it for me. I cannot stand to see injustice in the world, which is why I support the war in Iraq. Anywhere where people are getting killed, oppressed, enslaved, etc., it is the responsibility of the world to respond and AT LEAST make an effort to right the wrongs that so many people turn a blind eye to. Not me. I'll do my part, however small and unnoticed, but I'm willing to set aside my shots at "success" and "education" and risk my life so that one day, someone that I dont know can inch toward experiencing the life of a free man.

THAT is why I gave college the finger. THAT is why I gave the Marine Corps at least 5 years of my life.

 

[mattskramer]

I’m happy for you – that you found something you want or feel is the right thing to do. I participated in High School ROTC. I found that I would not make a good soldier. I like to question what I’m told. I remember asking why I had to polish my belt-buckle so well and to make it so shiny. It would simply reflect the light to the enemy and reveal my location.

Also, I don’t want to take the risk of being assigned to a war zone to participate in a war that I might think is not warranted or in America’s best interest. I also hear of problems that happen – parachute exercises in high winds that result in serious injury or death. Cadets who can’t swim have been pushed into pools. There are also those who die from exhaustion in training exercises.

I just don’t want to take those risks. My heart goes out to those who do. I do what I can. I give blood and volunteer – participate in activities to help the soldiers – I just don’t want to be a soldier.

 

[Vintij]

Wow, so quick to resort to classless name calling. DNB

Well I will not debate with you because you involved the word "turd" and "dick cheney" in the same sentance which leads me to believe you are not serious about un-biased discussion.

And lastly, if the vice president is not an officer, why do you salute him?

Is it not because he outranks you?




And please semper, do not tell anyone that college is a stupid Idea, you will look like a fool. I dont go around saying that the army is a stupid idea, and when I do, I retract that statement that came out due to frustration. Never, did I really explain why the army is a stupid Idea, Its not a stupid Idea......unless you have not thought it through and looked at your options.

Perhaps the army was for you, because you want to see the world and you want to rid the world of injustice. For people like me, the world is full of nuclear weapons for one, terrorist activity in places other than Iraq for two, racism for three, and genocide in darfur.

So, with all the injustice in the world....Iraq would be the last place I would fight that injustice because there is no military solution to this. As I said before, our mission is to keep peace in Iraq and set up the transitional democracy, that is not working so far.

The iraqi people have not met even half of the benchmarks we set for them, the infasturcture is so far behind that it would take decades for contractors to rebuild it. The government is so oblivious to democracy that it would take thousands of years to even consider a secular type government similar to the US.

You just dont get that a gun does not solve everyones problems. It makes you a hero if you fight for your country and even die. But truthfully, a gun will not get rid of any nuclear weapons on earth, a gun will not keep peace between sunnis and shia.....etc. A gun will not bring you closer to god.

That is what I believe. You obviously are on a different page. And thats ok, but to say that I am a ***** becuase I refuse to pick up a gun and kill a complete stranger that I dont even know is the enemy or not. Is ridiculess. Do you know how many civilians have died in Iraq? I dont think you do. Thats because not only are they being murdered, but we are killing them as well because we cant tell the difference between civilian and terrorist.

Dont judge me for my lifes decisions, and dont judge anyone else for theirs because I can assure you that I am not the only one who thinks this way. I can assure you that a choice not to join a failed war, is always a better choice because it is a choice to live.