It's All Over

[Capstone]

The higher percentage in obesity rates in Israeli-Arab women due to cultural restrictions and an increasingly western diet doesn't quite make up for the massive drop in the Arab share of area demographics over the past 60-odd years. While New World Syndrome, as it has been dubbed by some scholars, has become a factor in morbidity, it's an attack on an altogether different front than the get the hell out of Dodge or be killed tactics of the Zionists.

Ah, and me thought those "dodge or be killed" to be of a skinnier, sportier, alert type, dodging hails of evil zionist bullets, shells, missiles and other unspeakable dangers on their way to their local hamas-sponsored peace proposal-drafting convention.

There's a difference between "dodge or be killed" and "get the hell out of Dodge or be killed", although both apply to the present and past conflicts between Zionist land-grabbers and the people they've expelled or killed.

Now that Israel has achieved its aim in this particular round, namely the bull-dozing of another occupied area for whatever development plans they have in store, it's time to pretend to want peace. What else is new...

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In terms of "disarming" --- What is the stated purpose: Both sides as you say...

Hamas is not going to disarm over empty promises.

I am 100% in favor of disarmament
By both sides.

You want Israel to disarm ?? Is that what you just said))

You didn't blink about disarming Hamas.

Why are you so one sided?

(COMMENT)

In your realm, there are reasons for both sides to take this action, what are the consequences.

• If the Arabs disarm...
• If the Israelis disarm...

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[SAYIT]

It is Israel who walked out.

It was Hamas who rejected the ceasefire extension and resumed the war. Israel will not negotiate while there is war.

There were three days to make some progress. Nothing happened. If you follow that trend, more time will bring nothing.

Nothing happened because Hamas wanted nothing to happen. They are perfectly happy having the IDF respond to their rockets. That's why they fire them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

In terms of "disarming" --- What is the stated purpose: Both sides as you say...

You want Israel to disarm ?? Is that what you just said))

You didn't blink about disarming Hamas.

Why are you so one sided?

(COMMENT)

In your realm, there are reasons for both sides to take this action, what are the consequences.

• If the Arabs disarm...
• If the Israelis disarm...

Most Respectfully,
R

That question my be moot.

Let's look at the bright side.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD4DBLfFqsw]Protesters in New York condemn biased coverage of Israeli war on Gaza - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOoqxPEGkvE]Gaza protest in Austin Texas 8/2/2014 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[SAYIT]

They are not Abbas. They are not going to negotiate for decades and get nothing.

Hamas is not negotiating at all. Either Israel capitulates to their demands or its back to the war.

Israel is the one who has not given an inch and Hamas does not trust them. Their word means nothing, they would just do another false flag which is how this started.

Now about those 400 or more people that Israel kidnapped from Palestine, where are they??

More unsubstantiated camel crap from the new queen of it.
Hamas's trust in Israel is of no significance. If they want to end the death and destruction in Gaza they not only must deal with Israel, they must also want an end to the death and destruction.
They don't.
Meanwhile their conduct is costing Hamas the support they tried to bolster by attacking Israel:

"Although Hamas is more popular than Islamic Jihad, a recent poll by the Watan Center for Studies and Research in the Gaza Strip suggests increased support for the Islamic Jihad movement amid reports of declining popularity for Hamas. Among Gazans, 23.3% expressed support for Hamas, while 13.5% preferred Islamic Jihad. Fatah, however, was more popular than the Islamist movements individually, with the support of 32.9% of Gazans. Backing for the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine stood at 4.2% and 1.5% for the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Of all those surveyed, 24.6% had no opinion."

Read more: Islamic Jihad gains support in Gaza as Hamas declines - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

 

[SAYIT]

...firing rockets into Israel won't get Hamas what they want ... unless more IDF and bulldozers is what they want. ...

What else is a black ops asset like Hamas for, if not for providing its creators the ongoing justification for more land grabs and genocide?

Ah ... so Hamas is really MOSSAD in keffiyehs. Got it.

 

[SAYIT]

Hamas is the enemy of the people of Gaza. ...

Which is exactly what should be expected from an Israeli invention. Hamas has fulfilled the purposes of its creators to a tee: justification to continue the onslaught on the Arab population in the territories they want to develop for various reasons.

Please explain (and substantiate) why Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi and Mahmoud Zaha would have wanted to justify Israel's response to Palestinian aggression.
While you are at it, please explain why so many loony conspiracy theorists are rabidly anti-Israel/anti-Jew.
This should be good.

 

[I.P.Freely]

I thought the invasion was to stop the terrorists ability to fire rockets?

No, it was to disband and disarm Hamas. Only stopping the rocket firing ability doesn't help. Destroying Hamas is the only way to peace.[/QUOTE [MENTION=48190]Crystalclear[/MENTION], unfortunately Hamas seem as strong as ever, the Palestinian people are mainly still supporting them and they have just claimed they are going to increase the number of rockets fired into Israel.67 dead and hundreds seriously injured for what?
Gaza conflict: Hamas far from disabled after weeks of fighting | World news | The Guardian

 

[Phoenall]

What else is a black ops asset like Hamas for, if not for providing its creators the ongoing justification for more land grabs and genocide?

What genocide are you talking about??

Well, if the forced exodus of more than 3/4 of a million Palestinian Arabs in 1948, the dispossession of another 350,000 in 1967, and the outcome of more recent incursions (such as Operation Cast Leed in 2008, in which 355 children were among the more than 1,400 Israeli Arabs killed) were any indication, those who refuse to be displaced without a fight during the present conflict will be slaughtered as a matter of policy. The Palestinian (or Israeli Arab, as I like to call him) is well on his way to extinction as a direct result of militant Zionism. Terms like "genocide" and 'ethnic cleansing' are therefore completely appropriate, in my view; and by no means am I alone there.

You go ahead and call it what you like, though.

Then see the arab league who forced the exodus of 200,000 arab muslims with the promise of Jewish wealth and property for all when the killing was over in 2 weeks. The few refugees left are still waiting for their spoils 66 years later. Since that date every arab muslim dispossessed has been done so by hamas, fatah or the arab league because they have instigated the wars with Israel. As in Cast Lead were hamas was proven to have used women and children as human shields, this is a war crime and a crime against humanity as detailed in the Geneva conventions. The same Geneva conventions state that the deaths of the human shields are down to hamas.

The only Israeli arabs are those that are full Israeli citizens living inside the borders of Israel and they are a stable population. What you are referring to are arab muslims that are increasing in numbers from high birth rates and illegal immigration of terrorists. There are no genocides of arab muslims by Israel, just as there is no ethnic cleansing of arab muslims by Israel. But there are proven cases of ethnic cleansing by arab muslims and genocides by arab muslims of the Christian population of Palestine down from 12% of the total population to just over 2%.


So your claims are proven LIES spread by ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDISTS to the gullible and brainwashed looney left and white supremacists

 

[Phoenall]

The higher percentage in obesity rates in Israeli-Arab women due to cultural restrictions and an increasingly western diet doesn't quite make up for the massive drop in the Arab share of area demographics over the past 60-odd years. While New World Syndrome, as it has been dubbed by some scholars, has become a factor in morbidity, it's an attack on an altogether different front than the get the hell out of Dodge or be killed tactics of the Zionists.

Another LIE and misconception as the arab muslims do not eat a western diet as it is against their religion. And they have always been obese because of their genetics and islamlc diet. The Palestinian diet includes many high fat high sugar dishes that are eaten daily, and around Ramadan/Eid the standard food prepared for muslims is high in sugars and fats. Next you will be bringing the genetic mutation of arab muslims that causes sickle cell anaemia to be the fault of the Israelis.


If you cant stop abusing the Jews and acting like a NAZI ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATER then I suggest you start posting on the KKK message boards.

 

[Capstone]

Ah ... so Hamas is really MOSSAD in keffiyehs. ...

Not entirely, although there certainly are a number of operators who fit that description.

For the most part though, it's an organization that had its genesis in the intent to sabotage the Oslo Accords and to undermine the influence of Arafat, which, of course, were interests it shared with Israel. That's why Hamas was allowed by Israel to raise money for social programs, in order to win the support of Israeli Arabs in dire need of such benefits (then and now); while Arafat's movement and the Palestinian left were demonized in the press and systematically starved of funding/foreign support. There are legitimate Jihadists in the rank and file of Hamas, but its only appeal to the Palestinian majority has been its capacity to address the day-to-day needs of the people -- a capacity it has owed entirely to the Israeli government from day one. And why has Israel allowed it to function as the de facto government for Israeli Arabs? The answer couldn't be any more obvious: it's because the Israelis need a ready-made boogeyman to blame for their unceasing apartheid-like oppression and to give the appearance of the occasional 'need' to steal more land for the sake of secutity. It really is just that simple.

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas is the enemy of the people of Gaza. ...

Which is exactly what should be expected from an Israeli invention. Hamas has fulfilled the purposes of its creators to a tee: justification to continue the onslaught on the Arab population in the territories they want to develop for various reasons.

There is one glaring flaw in your claims In August 2005 Israel complied with the Oslo accords and withdrew from gaza completely. No occupation no blockade no Jews inside gaza. This was replied to by the gazan muslims increasing the rate and severity of ILLEGAL CHEMICAL/BIOLOGICAL weapons targeting Israeli children. Then in 2006 the gazan muslims elected hamas to be their leaders even though it was already a proscribed terrorist group with links to extremist Islamic organisations like the Muslim Brotherhood and Hezbollah. So hardly an Israeli invention, unless you can produce a link from an unbiased source supporting your claims.

 

[Phoenall]

The higher percentage in obesity rates in Israeli-Arab women due to cultural restrictions and an increasingly western diet doesn't quite make up for the massive drop in the Arab share of area demographics over the past 60-odd years. While New World Syndrome, as it has been dubbed by some scholars, has become a factor in morbidity, it's an attack on an altogether different front than the get the hell out of Dodge or be killed tactics of the Zionists.

Ah, and me thought those "dodge or be killed" to be of a skinnier, sportier, alert type, dodging hails of evil zionist bullets, shells, missiles and other unspeakable dangers on their way to their local hamas-sponsored peace proposal-drafting convention.

There's a difference between "dodge or be killed" and "get the hell out of Dodge or be killed", although both apply to the present and past conflicts between Zionist land-grabbers and the people they've expelled or killed.

Now that Israel has achieved its aim in this particular round, namely the bull-dozing of another occupied area for whatever development plans they have in store, it's time to pretend to want peace. What else is new...

What land have the "Zionists" grabbed then, and a link would be nice to support your LIBELOUS CLAIMS

 

[Phoenall]

I thought the invasion was to stop the terrorists ability to fire rockets?

No, it was to disband and disarm Hamas. Only stopping the rocket firing ability doesn't help. Destroying Hamas is the only way to peace.[/QUOTE [MENTION=48190]Crystalclear[/MENTION], unfortunately Hamas seem as strong as ever, the Palestinian people are mainly still supporting them and they have just claimed they are going to increase the number of rockets fired into Israel.67 dead and hundreds seriously injured for what?
Gaza conflict: Hamas far from disabled after weeks of fighting | World news | The Guardian

If they do then Israel will just pound gaza from afar until it is a smoking ruin, and the UN will not do a thing. The world will see that hamas has no intention of stopping the violence and the death toll of gazan terrorists will rise until none are left to fire the rockets. The world can watch were the rockets are being fired from on Google Earth in live action, and see that hamas is using civilian areas to engage in war. The ICC will start to issue arrest warrants for every hamas official on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity until the Palestinians agree to talks on peace and mutual borders.

 

[Lipush]

I thought the invasion was to stop the terrorists ability to fire rockets?

No, you thought wrong. The ability to deal with the rockets is for the air force.

The ground invasion was to deal with the terrorists themselves and the tunnles.

 

[SAYIT]

Ah ... so Hamas is really MOSSAD in keffiyehs. ...

Not entirely, although there certainly are a number of operators who fit that description.

For the most part though, it's an organization that had its genesis in the intent to sabotage the Oslo Accords and to undermine the influence of Arafat, which, of course, were interests it shared with Israel. That's why Hamas was allowed by Israel to raise money for social programs, in order to win the support of Israeli Arabs in dire need of such benefits (then and now); while Arafat's movement and the Palestinian left were demonized in the press and systematically starved of funding/foreign support. There are legitimate Jihadists in the rank and file of Hamas, but its only appeal to the Palestinian majority has been its capacity to address the day-to-day needs of the people -- a capacity it has owed entirely to the Israeli government from day one. And why has Israel allowed it to function as the de facto government for Israeli Arabs? The answer couldn't be any more obvious: it's because the Israelis need a ready-made boogeyman to blame for their unceasing apartheid-like oppression and to give the appearance of the occasional 'need' to steal more land for the sake of secutity. It really is just that simple.

You mistakenly assume Israel can stop Palestinians from organizing. If that was true, there would be no Islamic Jihad, no al-Aqsa Brigade, no DFLP, no PRC, no PFLP, no...
So in its infancy "Hamas was allowed by Israel to raise money for social programs."
Woo... those evil Israelis! To have "allowed" or encouraged or even aided Palestinians who even you admit were "in dire need of such benefits" clearly exposes Israel's agenda.
The trouble with your conclusion is the same as that with all your loony conspiracy theories ... 2+2 doesn't equal 5 no matter how hard you try.
You begin with your bottom line - Israel is evil - and then spin feverishly in a feeble attempt to make the facts fit it.
In this case, Israelis clearly wanted those hapless and desperate "refugees" to get the social and economic benefits denied them by successive Palestinian regimes and the wider Arab World who did so to exploit their suffering.
Today Hamas again victimizes them to gain media points.
You, like those who have long oppressed these peeps just to foster the hate which consumes you, make me sick.

 

[Phoenall]

There's a difference between "dodge or be killed" and "get the hell out of Dodge or be killed", although both apply to the present and past conflicts between Zionist land-grabbers and the people they've expelled or killed.

Now that Israel has achieved its aim in this particular round, namely the bull-dozing of another occupied area for whatever development plans they have in store, it's time to pretend to want peace. What else is new...

What land have the "Zionists" grabbed then, and a link would be nice to support your LIBELOUS CLAIMS

Since 1948? You can't be serious.

Regarding the link thing, go fuck yourself.

Your reply just goes to prove that there have been no land grabs by Israel, and nor is there a valid link to support your ISLAMONAZI LIES and LIBELS.

 

[Capstone]

You mistakenly assume Israel can stop Palestinians from organizing. If that was true, there would be no Islamic Jihad, no al-Aqsa Brigade, no DFLP, no PRC, no PFLP, no...

Well, apparently, you mistakenly assume that the Palestinians can organize anything autonomously -- that is, without significant interference and/or hands-on manipulation by the Israeli government. Recent history has proven you wrong.

Israel's hand in helping to establish and maintain Hamas as the de facto Palestinian government went well beyond allowing it to fund its social programs. In fact, prior to that, they released the founder of Hamas from his life sentence, so that he could establish the resistance to Arafat's movement which favored the Oslo Accords. Israel also brutally repressed the competition, making it virtually impossible for Arafat and the Palestinian left to deliver on the same kind of relief programs as Hamas. So, whether Zionist apologists such as yourself are willing to admit it or not, 1+1+1 ...does, in fact, equal 3.

I'm not going to waste any more time in here, only to be mis-characterized by the likes of you and Phoenall as a hate-filled bigot, but I'll leave you with this: I have no hate in my heart for any of my fellow human beings, irrespective of ethnicity; I simply despise the policies and actions of some of them.

 

[Hossfly]

You mistakenly assume Israel can stop Palestinians from organizing. If that was true, there would be no Islamic Jihad, no al-Aqsa Brigade, no DFLP, no PRC, no PFLP, no...

Well, apparently, you mistakenly assume that the Palestinians can organize anything autonomously -- that is, without significant interference and/or hands-on manipulation by the Israeli government. Recent history has proven you wrong.

Israel's hand in helping to establish and maintain Hamas as the de facto Palestinian government went well beyond allowing it to fund its social programs. In fact, prior to that, they released the founder of Hamas from his life sentence, so that he could establish the resistance to Arafat's movement which favored the Oslo Accords. Israel also brutally repressed the competition, making it virtually impossible for Arafat and the Palestinian left to deliver on the same kind of relief programs as Hamas. So, whether Zionist apologists such as yourself are willing to admit it or not, 1+1+1 ...does, in fact, equal 3.

I'm not going to waste any more time in here, only to be mis-characterized by the likes of you and Phoenall as a hate-filled bigot, but I'll leave you with this: I have no hate in my heart for any of my fellow human beings, irrespective of ethnicity; I simply despise the policies and actions of some of them.

Please don't go!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hamas is the enemy of the people of Gaza. ...

Which is exactly what should be expected from an Israeli invention. Hamas has fulfilled the purposes of its creators to a tee: justification to continue the onslaught on the Arab population in the territories they want to develop for various reasons.

Your denial is an Hamas gangster defense.

You can keep trying to kill Israelis until the last Hamas leader and fighter are dead.

The folks of Gaza are showing the Israelis where you guys are hiding. You know that.