It's a medical fact. Life begins at conception.

[MarkDuffy]

Ahem, from the OP

So, if life begins at conception, doesn't that mean that it should be protected by the 14th Amendment?

Is the 14th a .... wait fer it .... R U Ready? ..... LAW ?

I'm pretty sure he added that later,. But either way, I told the other guy at least six or seven times that I was not interested in discussing the legal aspect of it. He can feel free to discuss it with others.

And we have told you over and over, abortion is about law, society, rights of the woman, natural law, and the success of the family.

You outlaw abortion and you will get poverty, crime and abandoned children.

Abortion is necessary for a civil society to prosper.

 

[buttercup]

So you're a punishment freak. Got it. A standard pro-lifer.

You're punishing the victim by dismembering it and sucking it out through a hose. I absolutely do not believe that a baby is punishment.

And abortion is responsible.

Now I've heard it all.

 

[mamooth]

Yeah. I agree. But, you know, the greatest sin of all is the lost consciousness of sin. Some people were just meant to burn. So I say let em. You can't say you didn't try.

You poor deluded minion of Satan. He's got your soul snagged in his infernal vicegrip pliers.

We won't be able to help you. Like Lazarus, we will be comforted as you will be afflicted. There will be a great chasm between us, so we will not be able to cross it to put a drop of water on your burning tongue.

 

[TemplarKormac]

If you're saying the definition changed somewhere, it's up to you to provide evidence.

I did provide evidence, so did the OP, but you are gleefully ignoring it. Such an incorrigible attitude.

 

[buttercup]

And we have told you over and over, abortion is about law, society, rights of the woman, natural law, and the success of the family.

You outlaw abortion and you will get poverty, crime and abandoned children.

Abortion is necessary for a civil society to prosper.

Wrong on all counts. In a civilized society, the weakest and most vulnerable are protected. Abortion is barbaric. It also sends the message that life is cheap. It devalues life overall.

 

[MarkDuffy]

An unwanted pregnancy is not innocent. It is a foreign invader that needs to be removed. It is a criminal trying to destroy the house. If you are a gunnut, you would claim self defense and shoot the baby for trespassing.

An invader? lolololololol. Do you understand how babies are made? They don't just pop into the belly suddenly to intentionally "invade" like an evil trespasser. When you have sex, you know (unless one is retarded) that there is a chance you're going to get pregnant. So it is almost an implicit invitation. It definitely is not the baby's fault. The baby did not bring itself into the world, the actions of the mother and father brought the baby into the world.

Here's something that liberals typically don't like… There's something called personal responsibility and accountability for one's actions. Taking responsibility doesn't mean killing your own child.

The fetus can suck his/her thumb from 20 weeks

Fetal Development

Very few abortions occur at 5 months

 

[MarkDuffy]

If a fertilized egg is protected by the 14th amendment, any woman who has a miscarriage, could be charged with murder.

A miscarriage happens by accident, it is something that happens to the mother, out of her control. Abortion is the intentional killing of the pre- born baby, completely different situation.

As soon as you clowns make abortion illegal, you will then start to claim that the woman is responsible for miscarriages. Especially if she is black.

 

[buttercup]

The fetus can suck his/her thumb from 20 weeks

Fetal Development

Very few abortions occur at 5 months

You ignored everything I said in my post. And in case you didn't notice, we have people on this very thread arguing that human life does not begin until the head pops out of the birth canal… which means they see no problem with killing that baby in the picture, who is in the second trimester.

 

[buttercup]

As soon as you clowns make abortion illegal, you will then start to claim that the woman is responsible for miscarriages. Especially if she is black.

Did you know that abortion disproportionately affects blacks? In fact, look into the history of Planned Parenthood, and you'll begin to see that it is your side that is targeting blacks for death.

 

[MarkDuffy]

So you're a punishment freak. Got it. A standard pro-lifer.

You're punishing the victim by dismembering it and sucking it out through a hose. I absolutely do not believe that a baby is punishment.

And abortion is responsible.

Now I've heard it all.

By far, most abortions result in some slime removed from the woman.

You abortion wackos always show pictures of children, when abortions are goo, not flesh and bone.

 

[TemplarKormac]

If a fertilized egg is protected by the 14th amendment, any woman who has a miscarriage, could be charged with murder.

A miscarriage happens by accident, it is something that happens to the mother, out of her control. Abortion is the intentional killing of the pre- born baby, completely different situation.

As soon as you clowns make abortion illegal, you will then start to claim that the woman is responsible for miscarriages. Especially if she is black.

Who said anything about making it illegal? I didn't at least. There are medically necessary reasons for having an abortion. Convenience isn't one of them. If you are forcibly raped or coerced into an incestuous relationship, that's fine, do what you see fit. But in either case, as I see it, why should the child pay for the sins of the parents?

 

[MarkDuffy]

Your God murdered thousands of real innocent children. He would have murdered millions, but the population size was less in those days.

 

[mamooth]

In fact, look into the history of Planned Parenthood, and you'll begin to see that it is your side that is targeting blacks for death.

No, that's a particularly vile pro-life lie.

By all means, post your Sanger quotes. You know you want to. That's Propaganda 101 for pro-lifers.

 

[MarkDuffy]

So you're a punishment freak. Got it. A standard pro-lifer.

You're punishing the victim by dismembering it and sucking it out through a hose. I absolutely do not believe that a baby is punishment.

And abortion is responsible.

Now I've heard it all.

No it is YOU who wants to punish the victim by forcing the women to keep the pregnancy.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Your God murdered thousands of real innocent children. He would have murdered millions, but the population size was less in those days.

Now look at you, lashing out because your argument has been decimated. So now you'll attack our faith instead? You've lost.

 

[buttercup]

By far, most abortions result in some slime removed from the woman.

You abortion wackos always show pictures of children, when abortions are goo, not flesh and bone.

I'm sorry, but once again you are wrong. And you're really showing how deeply indoctrinated you are.

Most abortions don't occur until around seven weeks, because a woman who wasn't planning a pregnancy doesn't even know she's pregnant until she has missed at least one period. Or sometimes two.

By seven or eight weeks, there is no pile of "slime" so stop spreading misinformation whether it's intentional or not.

 

[mamooth]

Wrong on all counts. In a civilized society, the weakest and most vulnerable are protected. Abortion is barbaric. It also sends the message that life is cheap. It devalues life overall.

Pro-lifers dehumanize life.

First, they declare zygotes have the same value as humans, then make it clear they actually don't care at all about zygotes, meaning they care nothing about humans.

Second, they base humanity on genetics. All hail the superior human DNA! All hail the pro-life eugenics utopia!!

And third, it treats women as slaves of the state.

 

[TemplarKormac]

So you're a punishment freak. Got it. A standard pro-lifer.

You're punishing the victim by dismembering it and sucking it out through a hose. I absolutely do not believe that a baby is punishment.

And abortion is responsible.

Now I've heard it all.

No it is YOU who wants to punish the victim by forcing the women to keep the pregnancy.

Who is being punished? Who is the victim? I let you in on a little secret...

They both are. You are punishing and victimizing the woman by making her decide the fate of an unborn child she didn't choose to conceive, and then you are punishing and victimizing the potential life that would come about because it wasn't conceived in a manner in which the mother saw fit by exterminating it.

 

[MarkDuffy]

If a fertilized egg is protected by the 14th amendment, any woman who has a miscarriage, could be charged with murder.

A miscarriage happens by accident, it is something that happens to the mother, out of her control. Abortion is the intentional killing of the pre- born baby, completely different situation.

As soon as you clowns make abortion illegal, you will then start to claim that the woman is responsible for miscarriages. Especially if she is black.

Who said anything about making it illegal? I didn't at least. There are medically necessary reasons for having an abortion. Convenience isn't one of them. If you are forcibly raped or coerced into an incestuous relationship, that's fine, do what you see fit. But in either case, as I see it, why should the child pay for the sins of the parents?

This is what I cannot understand.

How can you approve of any exceptions if you insist abortion is the murder of innocent children?

It sounds like you are halfway to understanding and bliss.

And it isn't about convenience. It is fixing a blunder.

 

[mamooth]

You are punishing and victimizing the woman by making her decide the fate of an unborn child she didn't choose to conceive,

So in your world, freedom to make your own choice is punishment.

How very interesting, and how very authoritarian.