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I'd love our gov't to crack down on fraud Maybe when they find they can't get away with it they'll return to where they came from
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I'd love our gov't to crack down on fraud Maybe when they find they can't get away with it they'll return to where they came from
BluesLegend
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Lets review, you don't care if illegals murder, rape, rob, American citizens I think we know where you stand.
BluesLegend
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In spite of the thousands of crimes committed by illegals against American citizens including murder some lowlife filth still defend them.
BluesLegend
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Hey dummy we already deport millions of them, we just need to stop millions of them from coming back in the illegal filth will be cleaned out in a few years time.
BluesLegend
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BluesLegend
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How dare you suggest we enforce the law, are you some crazy right winger who believes in the Constitution, courts, and the rule of law?
BluesLegend
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The $4 billion a year illegals are stealing from American taxpayers is a known problem, every time the GOP tries to put a stop to it
Democrats block it. The IRS has thrown up its hands and says there's nothing they can do until congress acts to fix the issue. It has grown from a few hundred million a year problem under Bush to over $4 billion a year, and the number of illegal scum cashing in on this scam grows each year. Some are claiming kids that are not even their kids, some are claiming kids that live in Mexico and have never set foot in the USA. No illegal can file for a child tax credit refund, its illegal, its only available to American citizens, it says so in the law. This is just a scheme for Democrats to funnel money to the illegals.
Would it piss you off to learn many illegals are cashing tax refund checks for thousands more than the average American gets back? In some cases $10,000 to $18,000 that's a hell of a refund check.
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How dare you suggest we enforce the law, are you some crazy right winger who believes in the Constitution, courts, and the rule of law?
Why yes, yes I do believe in enforcing law, believes in the Constitution and rule of law but sorry the crazy ones are the ones who don't...they are called liberal loons
eagle1462010
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It remains ..... saying you'll get rid of illegals by going around and rounding them up is silly, stupid, and pretty much impossible. And it would cost billions. It could be done cost-free by simply penalizing companies that hire illegals. Add fines, it would become profitable! The illegals would leave of their own accord. But the Republicans won't do that, because they're all talk and nothing else.
eagle1462010
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I've long agreed with using e-verify and penalties for business. If you have a problem with the current policy I suggest you take it up with the establishment on both sides.
It remains ..... saying you'll get rid of illegals by going around and rounding them up is silly, stupid, and pretty much impossible. And it would cost billions. It could be done cost-free by simply penalizing companies that hire illegals. Add fines, it would become profitable! The illegals would leave of their own accord. But the Republicans won't do that, because they're all talk and nothing else.
We are attempting to take out the trash, your side.............Not so much.
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I've long agreed with using e-verify and penalties for business. If you have a problem with the current policy I suggest you take it up with the establishment on both sides.
It remains ..... saying you'll get rid of illegals by going around and rounding them up is silly, stupid, and pretty much impossible. And it would cost billions. It could be done cost-free by simply penalizing companies that hire illegals. Add fines, it would become profitable! The illegals would leave of their own accord. But the Republicans won't do that, because they're all talk and nothing else.
We are attempting to take out the trash, your side.............Not so much.
INS has said that they are now catching or turning back 80% or more of those who try to cross the southern border illegally.
At least half, and probably more now of the illegals who arrive here come legally with a valid visa. We already know who they are when they arrive. The problem is that they just don't leave when their visa time limit is up. We know who they are. We know that they haven't left when they were supposed to leave. We just have not put enough money in the budget to go and find them and send them home. Add another $25 billion to the federal budget and we might have enough to find most of them. Maybe we could simply raise the taxes on the people and companies who hire them to pay the bill?
eagle1462010
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On the GOP side some candidates have said they want e-verify..........Many have stated that the Border Patrol needs more funding and double to triple the agents................but I guess you don't notice that.I've long agreed with using e-verify and penalties for business. If you have a problem with the current policy I suggest you take it up with the establishment on both sides.
It remains ..... saying you'll get rid of illegals by going around and rounding them up is silly, stupid, and pretty much impossible. And it would cost billions. It could be done cost-free by simply penalizing companies that hire illegals. Add fines, it would become profitable! The illegals would leave of their own accord. But the Republicans won't do that, because they're all talk and nothing else.
We are attempting to take out the trash, your side.............Not so much.
INS has said that they are now catching or turning back 80% or more of those who try to cross the southern border illegally.
At least half, and probably more now of the illegals who arrive here come legally with a valid visa. We already know who they are when they arrive. The problem is that they just don't leave when their visa time limit is up. We know who they are. We know that they haven't left when they were supposed to leave. We just have not put enough money in the budget to go and find them and send them home. Add another $25 billion to the federal budget and we might have enough to find most of them. Maybe we could simply raise the taxes on the people and companies who hire them to pay the bill?
Show me the border control from the Dem candidates...........
Ray From Cleveland
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It remains ..... saying you'll get rid of illegals by going around and rounding them up is silly, stupid, and pretty much impossible. And it would cost billions. It could be done cost-free by simply penalizing companies that hire illegals. Add fines, it would become profitable! The illegals would leave of their own accord. But the Republicans won't do that, because they're all talk and nothing else.
If it were up to me, I would extend Kate's law (that Democrats made sure never passed) to apply to anybody here illegally. If you are caught, you face a minimum of five years in prison and you'll lose your ability to ever work or become a citizen here.
If we could make a law like that, people would be rushing our borders to get the hell out. No new fences needed, no extra border patrols or equipment, just a simple passage of such a law. Problem solved.
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On the GOP side some candidates have said they want e-verify..........Many have stated that the Border Patrol needs more funding and double to triple the agents................but I guess you don't notice that.I've long agreed with using e-verify and penalties for business. If you have a problem with the current policy I suggest you take it up with the establishment on both sides.
It remains ..... saying you'll get rid of illegals by going around and rounding them up is silly, stupid, and pretty much impossible. And it would cost billions. It could be done cost-free by simply penalizing companies that hire illegals. Add fines, it would become profitable! The illegals would leave of their own accord. But the Republicans won't do that, because they're all talk and nothing else.
We are attempting to take out the trash, your side.............Not so much.
INS has said that they are now catching or turning back 80% or more of those who try to cross the southern border illegally.
At least half, and probably more now of the illegals who arrive here come legally with a valid visa. We already know who they are when they arrive. The problem is that they just don't leave when their visa time limit is up. We know who they are. We know that they haven't left when they were supposed to leave. We just have not put enough money in the budget to go and find them and send them home. Add another $25 billion to the federal budget and we might have enough to find most of them. Maybe we could simply raise the taxes on the people and companies who hire them to pay the bill?
Show me the border control from the Dem candidates...........
The president's 2016 budget request: Customs and Border Protection
February 5, 2015 | By Dibya Sarkar
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Customs and Border Protection, which has the largest budget among all components within the Homeland Security Department, would see a 6.3 percent jump – or about $800 million – under the president's recently unveiled 2016 budget proposal.
The agency, which is responsible for securing U.S. borders and ports of entry, is requesting $13.57 billion for next fiscal year. Of that total budget authority, $11.68 billion is discretionary spending.
Overall, the proposed 2016 budget for DHS is $41.2 billion, up from the estimated $38.2 billion for the current fiscal year. Since the department's 2015 spending plan hasn't been enacted, figures for this fiscal year reflect annualized levels provided by a continuing resolution, which expires Feb. 27.
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Some chunks of the 2016 funding increase will go toward state-of-the art technology, security fencing and new aircraft. For example, about $85 million is earmarked for new non-intrusive inspection equipment such as X-ray/gamma-ray imaging systems that are used to inspect cargo at land and sea ports.
"The requested increase will fund recapitalization of aging systems, which currently include 314 large scale and 4,930 small scale systems," according to the a DHS budget summary (pdf). "Without this funding increase, maintenance costs would rise, systems would become obsolete, system downtime would rise impacting the effectiveness of inspections, labor costs would increase, and the movement of legitimate trade and travel would be delayed due to the need for manual inspections."
More than $29 million is earmarked for a new program called the Electronic Visa Information Update System, or EVIUS, that will permit non-immigrant visa holders to provide updated biographic and travel information through a public website. CBP wants to pilot EVIUS for tourists and business travelers from China.
About $16 million would be used to buy and deploy at least 10 Mobile Surveillance Capability systems in some areas along the southern border. These MSC systems can provide detection, identification and tracking capabilities in an area, and can be relocated if threat patterns change, according to a DHS document (pdf) about the systems.
Nearly $45 million will help CBP complete a high-priority fence project along the southwest border. The Naco Primary Fence Replacement Project would involve replacing about 7.5 miles of existing fence in an area that DHS said has been "successfully exploited" by transnational criminal organizations. The fence is located in a populated area and lacks adequate height, foundation and strength.
The budget also provides an increase of more than $44 million for two King Air-350CER Multi-Role Enforcement Aircraft, or MEAs. These MEAs can patrol and monitor land and water and are equipped with modern sensor equipment for detection, tracking and surveillance operations, according to a DHS document (pdf) about the aircraft.
The agency also wants about $33 million to pay for more than 16,500 flight hours for fiscal 2016 to attain a total of of more than 91,000 flight hours for the year. CBP said the increase in flight hours is is needed to "support the highest priority operations along the southwest border." The money would pay for fuel, parts, supplies, repairs and maintenance, and contract support personnel, among other things.
CBP said it also needs about $29 million to deal with the apprehension and care of up to 104,000 unaccompanied children, most of whom crossed the U.S. border last year. Many were from Central America, fleeing poverty, crime and violence there. Since the agency has had custody of the children longer than expected, the money will go toward food, showers and laundry services, medical care and other services and items.
Additionally, the agency is asking for nearly $79 million to help reduce a backlog of maintenance and repair needs at several of its facilities and other properties. The money will also go toward installation or upgrade of security systems and other requirements at leased facilities.
For more:
- download DHS's budget-in-brief document for 2016 (pdf)
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our jails are bursting at the seams already now you want to place a million or more there??? You have any idea of the costs of keeping them a min of 5 years?
It remains ..... saying you'll get rid of illegals by going around and rounding them up is silly, stupid, and pretty much impossible. And it would cost billions. It could be done cost-free by simply penalizing companies that hire illegals. Add fines, it would become profitable! The illegals would leave of their own accord. But the Republicans won't do that, because they're all talk and nothing else.
If it were up to me, I would extend Kate's law (that Democrats made sure never passed) to apply to anybody here illegally. If you are caught, you face a minimum of five years in prison and you'll lose your ability to ever work or become a citizen here.
If we could make a law like that, people would be rushing our borders to get the hell out. No new fences needed, no extra border patrols or equipment, just a simple passage of such a law. Problem solved.
eagle1462010
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small proportion to over 400 BILLION in increased spending................as proposed by his budget............You wouldn't see any opposition if we actually thought he'd do the jog. He has proven to try to go around the law with executive amnesty........On the GOP side some candidates have said they want e-verify..........Many have stated that the Border Patrol needs more funding and double to triple the agents................but I guess you don't notice that.I've long agreed with using e-verify and penalties for business. If you have a problem with the current policy I suggest you take it up with the establishment on both sides.
It remains ..... saying you'll get rid of illegals by going around and rounding them up is silly, stupid, and pretty much impossible. And it would cost billions. It could be done cost-free by simply penalizing companies that hire illegals. Add fines, it would become profitable! The illegals would leave of their own accord. But the Republicans won't do that, because they're all talk and nothing else.
We are attempting to take out the trash, your side.............Not so much.
INS has said that they are now catching or turning back 80% or more of those who try to cross the southern border illegally.
At least half, and probably more now of the illegals who arrive here come legally with a valid visa. We already know who they are when they arrive. The problem is that they just don't leave when their visa time limit is up. We know who they are. We know that they haven't left when they were supposed to leave. We just have not put enough money in the budget to go and find them and send them home. Add another $25 billion to the federal budget and we might have enough to find most of them. Maybe we could simply raise the taxes on the people and companies who hire them to pay the bill?
Show me the border control from the Dem candidates...........
The president's 2016 budget request: Customs and Border Protection
February 5, 2015 | By Dibya Sarkar
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Customs and Border Protection, which has the largest budget among all components within the Homeland Security Department, would see a 6.3 percent jump – or about $800 million – under the president's recently unveiled 2016 budget proposal.
The agency, which is responsible for securing U.S. borders and ports of entry, is requesting $13.57 billion for next fiscal year. Of that total budget authority, $11.68 billion is discretionary spending.
Overall, the proposed 2016 budget for DHS is $41.2 billion, up from the estimated $38.2 billion for the current fiscal year. Since the department's 2015 spending plan hasn't been enacted, figures for this fiscal year reflect annualized levels provided by a continuing resolution, which expires Feb. 27.
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Some chunks of the 2016 funding increase will go toward state-of-the art technology, security fencing and new aircraft. For example, about $85 million is earmarked for new non-intrusive inspection equipment such as X-ray/gamma-ray imaging systems that are used to inspect cargo at land and sea ports.
"The requested increase will fund recapitalization of aging systems, which currently include 314 large scale and 4,930 small scale systems," according to the a DHS budget summary (pdf). "Without this funding increase, maintenance costs would rise, systems would become obsolete, system downtime would rise impacting the effectiveness of inspections, labor costs would increase, and the movement of legitimate trade and travel would be delayed due to the need for manual inspections."
More than $29 million is earmarked for a new program called the Electronic Visa Information Update System, or EVIUS, that will permit non-immigrant visa holders to provide updated biographic and travel information through a public website. CBP wants to pilot EVIUS for tourists and business travelers from China.
About $16 million would be used to buy and deploy at least 10 Mobile Surveillance Capability systems in some areas along the southern border. These MSC systems can provide detection, identification and tracking capabilities in an area, and can be relocated if threat patterns change, according to a DHS document (pdf) about the systems.
Nearly $45 million will help CBP complete a high-priority fence project along the southwest border. The Naco Primary Fence Replacement Project would involve replacing about 7.5 miles of existing fence in an area that DHS said has been "successfully exploited" by transnational criminal organizations. The fence is located in a populated area and lacks adequate height, foundation and strength.
The budget also provides an increase of more than $44 million for two King Air-350CER Multi-Role Enforcement Aircraft, or MEAs. These MEAs can patrol and monitor land and water and are equipped with modern sensor equipment for detection, tracking and surveillance operations, according to a DHS document (pdf) about the aircraft.
The agency also wants about $33 million to pay for more than 16,500 flight hours for fiscal 2016 to attain a total of of more than 91,000 flight hours for the year. CBP said the increase in flight hours is is needed to "support the highest priority operations along the southwest border." The money would pay for fuel, parts, supplies, repairs and maintenance, and contract support personnel, among other things.
CBP said it also needs about $29 million to deal with the apprehension and care of up to 104,000 unaccompanied children, most of whom crossed the U.S. border last year. Many were from Central America, fleeing poverty, crime and violence there. Since the agency has had custody of the children longer than expected, the money will go toward food, showers and laundry services, medical care and other services and items.
Additionally, the agency is asking for nearly $79 million to help reduce a backlog of maintenance and repair needs at several of its facilities and other properties. The money will also go toward installation or upgrade of security systems and other requirements at leased facilities.
For more:
- download DHS's budget-in-brief document for 2016 (pdf)
If you are promoting Obama as the Hero of Immigration I suggest you hand out whatever you are smoking so we can't get as screwed up as you to believe that..........hell we might even believe in Utopia and Pixie dust.
eagle1462010
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The border needs to be secured...........Period.........e-verify and punish business's for violation........those caught at that point deported...................not jailed unless guilty of violent crime in the United States.........those that leave voluntarily can apply for visa's...........those removed forcefully will be banned from coming back permanently if they choose not to cooperate.our jails are bursting at the seams already now you want to place a million or more there??? You have any idea of the costs of keeping them a min of 5 years?
It remains ..... saying you'll get rid of illegals by going around and rounding them up is silly, stupid, and pretty much impossible. And it would cost billions. It could be done cost-free by simply penalizing companies that hire illegals. Add fines, it would become profitable! The illegals would leave of their own accord. But the Republicans won't do that, because they're all talk and nothing else.
If it were up to me, I would extend Kate's law (that Democrats made sure never passed) to apply to anybody here illegally. If you are caught, you face a minimum of five years in prison and you'll lose your ability to ever work or become a citizen here.
If we could make a law like that, people would be rushing our borders to get the hell out. No new fences needed, no extra border patrols or equipment, just a simple passage of such a law. Problem solved.
Ray From Cleveland
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our jails are bursting at the seams already now you want to place a million or more there??? You have any idea of the costs of keeping them a min of 5 years?
It remains ..... saying you'll get rid of illegals by going around and rounding them up is silly, stupid, and pretty much impossible. And it would cost billions. It could be done cost-free by simply penalizing companies that hire illegals. Add fines, it would become profitable! The illegals would leave of their own accord. But the Republicans won't do that, because they're all talk and nothing else.
If it were up to me, I would extend Kate's law (that Democrats made sure never passed) to apply to anybody here illegally. If you are caught, you face a minimum of five years in prison and you'll lose your ability to ever work or become a citizen here.
If we could make a law like that, people would be rushing our borders to get the hell out. No new fences needed, no extra border patrols or equipment, just a simple passage of such a law. Problem solved.
There would be very few that would risk such a penalty just to stay here. That's the point. They would scurry faster than they did when Arizona passed their new regulations on illegals before DumBama took them to court to stop it.
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