Italy to turn away the elderly as PUBLIC RUN HEALTHCARE system is overwhelmed.

[Remodeling Maidiac]

And this is what the left want for the United States.

And a hardy "**** You" to anyone who thinks the American left or the American right wants this for the US, as well as any American who wants this for the US.

Y'all definitely want a single player system lol. You have for some time. Not sure how you can pretend otherwise

 

[BlindBoo]

And this is what the left want for the United States.

And a hardy "**** You" to anyone who thinks the American left or the American right wants this for the US, as well as any American who wants this for the US.

Y'all definitely want a single player system lol. You have for some time. Not sure how you can pretend otherwise

The only reason for such decision is lack of resources during a pandemic that overwhelms the system. Nobody want to see that today, tomorrow, next week, next year, next decade....... It's bullshit to suggest that either side wants that.

 

[bendog]

And this is what the left want for the United States.

And a hardy "**** You" to anyone who thinks the American left or the American right wants this for the US, as well as any American who wants this for the US.

Y'all definitely want a single player system lol. You have for some time. Not sure how you can pretend otherwise

The only reason for such decision is lack of resources during a pandemic that overwhelms the system. Nobody want to see that today, tomorrow, next week, next year, next decade....... It's bullshit to suggest that either side wants that.

And Trump is doing NOTHING to provide the testing kits and extra ventilators and hospital beds if the US should see the same kind of spike. But hey let's blame the powerless folks who vote for Bernie. That's the ticket.

imo Grandpa's become a bit more unhinged in the threads he started this weed.

 

[BlindBoo]

And this is what the left want for the United States.

And a hardy "**** You" to anyone who thinks the American left or the American right wants this for the US, as well as any American who wants this for the US.

Y'all definitely want a single player system lol. You have for some time. Not sure how you can pretend otherwise

The only reason for such decision is lack of resources during a pandemic that overwhelms the system. Nobody want to see that today, tomorrow, next week, next year, next decade....... It's bullshit to suggest that either side wants that.

And Trump is doing NOTHING to provide the testing kits and extra ventilators and hospital beds if the US should see the same kind of spike. But hey let's blame the powerless folks who vote for Bernie. That's the ticket.

imo Grandpa's become a bit more unhinged in the threads he started this weed.

He doesn't realize this Geriatric Plague doesn't care about left or right........

 

[bendog]

And this is what the left want for the United States.

And a hardy "**** You" to anyone who thinks the American left or the American right wants this for the US, as well as any American who wants this for the US.

Y'all definitely want a single player system lol. You have for some time. Not sure how you can pretend otherwise

The only reason for such decision is lack of resources during a pandemic that overwhelms the system. Nobody want to see that today, tomorrow, next week, next year, next decade....... It's bullshit to suggest that either side wants that.

And Trump is doing NOTHING to provide the testing kits and extra ventilators and hospital beds if the US should see the same kind of spike. But hey let's blame the powerless folks who vote for Bernie. That's the ticket.

imo Grandpa's become a bit more unhinged in the threads he started this weed.

He doesn't realize this Geriatric Plague doesn't care about left or right........

Well, Herr Miller's travel ban speech of last night was all about "blame Jina, blame Europe. If not for them there'd not be a coronavirus." And it had nothing about actual public health. And that's why the markets keep tanking and states are starting to say "**** off."

And it does appear that Trump is betting that people will shrug off 1000 dead old people, and if he can just not get the sick tested for coronavirus he might skate when another "extra" bunch of old people die of not breathing or underlying cancers and strokes.

 

[MAGAman]

The Extraordinary Decisions Facing Italian Doctors

And this is what the left want for the United States.

The mother of a friend of mine was killed by Italian Medicare for all. She had a stroke while visiting but was too old to be treated. Private paid care was illegal. (Sound familiar?)

Her son is a neurosurgeon and reviewed the autopsy and confirmed she would have almost certainly been saved if he or another neurosurgeon had been allowed to operate immediately.

 

[jc456]

The Extraordinary Decisions Facing Italian Doctors

And this is what the left want for the United States.

well intelligent people knew this all along. The less intelligent, and I use that term lightly, are too stupid to ever understand.

 

[MAGAman]

to avoid a possible collapse like in italy, it would be great if the responsible persons would have taken this virus seriously, instead of telling people it is nothing to worry about and that they can go to work even with symptoms.

Responsible people banned travel from infected areas while Biden and other political hacks were too busy calling the move Xenophobic to care about Americans.

Who exactly encouraged people with symptoms to go anywhere? Link?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

And this is what the left want for the United States.

What would happen if private healthcare were overwhelmed? People with less money would be turned away. Is that much better? In that scenario you'd have young people with years of life and potential ahead of them turned away in favor of old people that have collected more capital. I don't know. It all seems kind of shitty to me.

Agreed. The bottom line is no matter the system, any of them would get overwhelmed in a situation like this and would have to begin rationing

 

[Dragonlady]

Doctors quoted within the article....

“It may become necessary to establish an age limit for access to intensive care.”

Those who are too old to have a high likelihood of recovery, or who have too low a number of “life-years” left even if they should survive, will be left to die.

What makes you think things will be any different in the USA? The USA has fewer than 1 million hospital beds in total, of which, 700,000 are currently filled, leaving only 300,000 hospital beds vacant in the country. There are only 65,000 repiratory units in the entire country.

With the rapid spread we're seeing once the virus is in the "mitigation stage", which is where the USA is right now according to the CDC, and with 15 to 20% of cases becoming a "serious" respiratory infection, you only need 1.5 million cases of this virus to reach hospital capacity, and then you start having to make the same decisions about who gets what resources as the Italians are now making.

Since the virus has been running loose in the USA for the past 6 weeks, the worst case scenarios are already happening. Doctors and health care staffers are getting sick, and once they do they're not available to treat sick people. You only have 300,000 empty beds. As your public health care capability declines, your need will continue to rise. Good luck with that.

And this cannot be said often enough: YOU STILL DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY CASES YOU HAVE BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVEN'T DISTRIBUTED TESTS TO EVERY HOSPITAL OR CLINIC IN THE NATION.

YOU ARE THE ONLY FIRST WORLD COUNTRY WHO HAS NOT MAKE TESTING WIDELY AVAILABLE. YOU HAVE NO COORDINATED PLAN FOR DEALING WITH THIS AND NO UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE NETWORK TO COORDINATE THE RESPONSE.

 

[MAGAman]

What makes you think things will be any different in the USA? The USA has fewer than 1 million hospital beds in total, of which, 700,000 are currently filled, leaving only 300,000 hospital beds vacant in the country. There are only 65,000 repiratory units in the entire country.

With the rapid spread we're seeing once the virus is in the "mitigation stage", which is where the USA is right now according to the CDC, and with 15 to 20% of cases becoming a "serious" respiratory infection, you only need 1.5 million cases of this virus to reach hospital capacity, and then you start having to make the same decisions about who gets what resources as the Italians are now making.

Since the virus has been running loose in the USA for the past 6 weeks, the worst case scenarios are already happening. Doctors and health care staffers are getting sick, and once they do they're not available to treat sick people. You only have 300,000 empty beds. As your public health care capability declines, your need will continue to rise. Good luck with that.

And this cannot be said often enough: YOU STILL DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY CASES YOU HAVE BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVEN'T DISTRIBUTED TESTS TO EVERY HOSPITAL OR CLINIC IN THE NATION.

YOU ARE THE ONLY FIRST WORLD COUNTRY WHO HAS NOT MAKE TESTING WIDELY AVAILABLE. YOU HAVE NO COORDINATED PLAN FOR DEALING WITH THIS AND NO UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE NETWORK TO COORDINATE THE RESPONSE.

So tell us the impact of having open borders and giving illegals free health care.

(This should be good)

 

[Care4all]

to avoid a possible collapse like in italy, it would be great if the responsible persons would have taken this virus seriously, instead of telling people it is nothing to worry about and that they can go to work even with symptoms.

Trump never said it was nothing to worry about

what you want is total panic which has already occurred in the stock market

as the economy grinds to a halt we may see things we never saw before

trump downplayed this up to the stock market crash. now he blames everyone else. aka business as usual. i do not want panic. i want responsible persons at the helm.not internet troll conspiracy twats like trump.

If trump had issued an executive order a month ago canceling the rest of the NBA season what would you, the lib media and democrats in congress have said?

I think you would have attacked him just as strongly as you are now

when has trump ever cared about what democrats say or think?

Trump's god is money.... He said some of the virus carriers could even go to work if they were not feeling so bad...instead of saying and emphasizing with them, DO NOT GO TO WORK if you suspect you could have it...

Trump did not listen to his advisers... played it down.

Trump does listen to your spurious attacks

if he had shut down the US economy a month ago and ordered everyone to stay home you would be waving the bloody shirt of the economic pain that would cause

i think that the economic pain is going to be severe and probably worse than the virus itself

if he had shut down the US economy a month ago and ordered everyone to stay home you would be waving the bloody shirt of the economic pain that would cause

Sometimes, it takes courage for a President, to do the right thing for his Country... and put partisan politics and personal gain OR HARM aside....

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yes, the economic pain could be tremendous, but the death toll could be as well.... we are only in its infancy...

plus we have no idea of how many people have it already, we need some massive testing of all regions, to know what we are going to be dealing with... and we are way, way, way behind.... what in the heck s taking so long, seriously??? I mean, SERIOUSLY, what has been the actual problem? China released the RNA of this virus by their scientists on Dec 31, 2019 and on Jan 14, 2020 the WHO announced it had a test developed to identify it and any country that wanted it from them could get it and use it... we declined.... WHY?

 

[L.K.Eder]

to avoid a possible collapse like in italy, it would be great if the responsible persons would have taken this virus seriously, instead of telling people it is nothing to worry about and that they can go to work even with symptoms.

Responsible people banned travel from infected areas while Biden and other political hacks were too busy calling the move Xenophobic to care about Americans.

Who exactly encouraged people with symptoms to go anywhere? Link?

Sure. I will get right on it and discuss this with MAGAman.

 

[Mac-7]

Trump never said it was nothing to worry about

what you want is total panic which has already occurred in the stock market

as the economy grinds to a halt we may see things we never saw before

trump downplayed this up to the stock market crash. now he blames everyone else. aka business as usual. i do not want panic. i want responsible persons at the helm.not internet troll conspiracy twats like trump.

If trump had issued an executive order a month ago canceling the rest of the NBA season what would you, the lib media and democrats in congress have said?

I think you would have attacked him just as strongly as you are now

when has trump ever cared about what democrats say or think?

Trump's god is money.... He said some of the virus carriers could even go to work if they were not feeling so bad...instead of saying and emphasizing with them, DO NOT GO TO WORK if you suspect you could have it...

Trump did not listen to his advisers... played it down.

Trump does listen to your spurious attacks

if he had shut down the US economy a month ago and ordered everyone to stay home you would be waving the bloody shirt of the economic pain that would cause

i think that the economic pain is going to be severe and probably worse than the virus itself

if he had shut down the US economy a month ago and ordered everyone to stay home you would be waving the bloody shirt of the economic pain that would cause

Sometimes, it takes courage for a President, to do the right thing for his Country... and put partisan politics and personal gain OR HARM aside....

---------------------------------------

yes, the economic pain could be tremendous, but the death toll could be as well.... we are only in its infancy...

plus we have no idea of how many people have it already, we need some massive testing of all regions, to know what we are going to be dealing with... and we are way, way, way behind.... what in the heck s taking so long, seriously??? I mean, SERIOUSLY, what has been the actual problem? China released the RNA of this virus by their scientists on Dec 31, 2019 and on Jan 14, 2020 the WHO announced it had a test developed to identify it and any country that wanted it from them could get it and use it... we declined.... WHY?

I have no doubt trump would have done so if he thought it necessary

and maybe a weakling like obama would have done it prematurely just to cover his own ass

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What makes you think things will be any different in the USA? The USA has fewer than 1 million hospital beds in total, of which, 700,000 are currently filled, leaving only 300,000 hospital beds vacant in the country. There are only 65,000 repiratory units in the entire country.

With the rapid spread we're seeing once the virus is in the "mitigation stage", which is where the USA is right now according to the CDC, and with 15 to 20% of cases becoming a "serious" respiratory infection, you only need 1.5 million cases of this virus to reach hospital capacity, and then you start having to make the same decisions about who gets what resources as the Italians are now making.

Since the virus has been running loose in the USA for the past 6 weeks, the worst case scenarios are already happening. Doctors and health care staffers are getting sick, and once they do they're not available to treat sick people. You only have 300,000 empty beds. As your public health care capability declines, your need will continue to rise. Good luck with that.

And this cannot be said often enough: YOU STILL DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY CASES YOU HAVE BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVEN'T DISTRIBUTED TESTS TO EVERY HOSPITAL OR CLINIC IN THE NATION.

YOU ARE THE ONLY FIRST WORLD COUNTRY WHO HAS NOT MAKE TESTING WIDELY AVAILABLE. YOU HAVE NO COORDINATED PLAN FOR DEALING WITH THIS AND NO UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE NETWORK TO COORDINATE THE RESPONSE.