It Really Was About Oil!

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Yes, it does appear that France's opposition to the War was due to Saddam bribing high-ranking French officials with oil.

Quel surpris!


Documents from Saddam Hussein's oil ministry reveal he used oil to bribe top French officials into opposing the imminent U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

The oil ministry papers, described by the independent Baghdad newspaper al-Mada, are apparently authentic and will become the basis of an official investigation by the new Iraqi Governing Council, the Independent reported Wednesday.

"I think the list is true," Naseer Chaderji, a governing council member, said. "I will demand an investigation. These people must be prosecuted."

Such evidence would undermine the French position before the war when President Jacques Chirac sought to couch his opposition to the invasion on a moral high ground.

A senior Bush administration official said Washington was aware of the reports but refused further comment.

French diplomats have dismissed any suggestion their foreign policy was influenced by payments from Saddam, but some European diplomats have long suspected France's steadfast opposition to the war was less moral than monetary.

"Oil runs thicker than blood," is how one former ambassador put his suspicions about the French motives for opposing action against Saddam.

Al-Mada's list cites a total of 46 individuals, companies and organizations inside and outside Iraq as receiving Saddam's oil bribes, including officials in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Turkey, Sudan, China, Austria and France, as well as the Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian Communist Party, India's Congress Party and the Palestine Liberation Organization.


http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040128-115648-6755r.htm
 
WW, I would not hold my breath for too many replies.....the tin hat people dont have a consparicy theory on this yet. give em half an hour and they will
 
I bet they are holding an emergency conference call right now to come up with their talking points.
 
I would guess that this is true, but the report doesn't say how high up the bribes went and how much oil was given, so we can't say for sure how much this would influence him.

You might call this a tinfoil hat conspiracy, but here is a possible explanation that goes along the WMD line. Saddam told his people to bribe France and gave them millions of dollars. His people then made up the documents, showed them to Saddam, and pocketed the money.
 
you can bet your ass that more than a quart or two of oil was used as a bribe. as for how high it goes my guess would be cabinet level....just wondering PJ...you work for a carnivel???
 
Not coincidentally, Russia, China and France were the top three weapons suppliers to Saddam - and sit on the UNSC. Not surprising they voted to oppose enforcing Resolution 1441.
 
I said long, long, ago on this very board that Saddam had deals going on with Chirac and France and that was why they so vehemently opposed the war. This comes as absolutely no surprise to me at all.

On a side note, check out the latest poll at fuckfrance.com! LOL

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What is the number one Frog story for 2003?

1- 15,000 toasted Frogs in August while Chiraq extends his summer vacation in Canada.

2- American Lance Armstrong becoming the greatest cyclist in the history of the Tour de Frog.

3- Zero GDP growth, 10% unemployment, and rising inflation combined in an economic nightmare.

4- Utter annihilation of the loser Frog rugby team at the hands of the glorious English team.

5- Complete capitulation by Froggy in the Executive Life scandal with a staggering $770 million fine.

6- Froggy unilaterally breaking EU rules with a runaway budget deficit and getting away with it.

7- Chief Rabbi in Froggystan declaring that it is no longer safe to be a Jew there.

8- Collapse of the EU Constitution due to Froggy's stubborn refusal to compromise.

9- Brutal murder of actress Marie Trintignant by degenerate subhuman Frog musician.

10- Froggystan losing face in Iraq and Libya, along with their best friend Saddam Hussein.

And the winner is:

15,000 toasted Frogs in August while Chiraq extends his summer vacation in Canada.
 
Here is my own tin foil hat theroy, and anyone who care to enlighten me can feel free. Ok, here goes..... I always wondered how many Euro dollars (namely money from oil revenue, which the UN kept a watchful eye on) is sitting in European banks, and which banks? Could this have any revelance to any opposition coming from Europe, and what happens to the money? Also, will Iraqi oil be sold once again in USA dollars? Is any of the above important, or should I just shift my hat a little.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/Investigation/saddam_oil_vouchers_040129-1.html

The world leaders who supported Saddam's regime and got lucrative oil contracts.

A document obtained by ABCNEWS provides insight into how Saddam Hussein did business with friends and supporters.
(ABCNEWS.com) Saddam’s Gifts
Document: Saddam Supporters Received Lucrative Oil Contracts

By Brian Ross


Jan. 29 — ABCNEWS has obtained an extraordinary list that contains the names of prominent people around the world who supported Saddam Hussein's regime and were given oil contracts as a result.

All of the contracts were awarded from late 1997 until the U.S.-led war in March 2003. They were conducted under the aegis of the United Nations' oil-for-food program, which was designed to allow Iraq to sell oil in exchange for humanitarian goods.

The document was discovered several weeks ago in the files of the Iraqi Oil Ministry in Baghdad.

According to a copy obtained by ABCNEWS, some 270 prominent individuals, political parties or corporations in 47 countries were on a list of those given Iraq oil contracts instantly worth millions of dollars.

Today, the U.S.Treasury Department said that any American citizens found to be illegally involved could face prosecution.

"You are looking at a political slush fund that was buying political support for the regime of Saddam Hussein for the last six or seven years," said financial investigator John Fawcett.

Investigators say none of the people involved would have actually taken possession of oil, but rather just the right to buy the oil at a discounted price, which could be resold to a legitimate broker or oil company, at an average profit of about 50 cents a barrel.

List Includes Prominent Names

Among those named: Indonesia President Megawati Sukarnoputri, an outspoken opponent of U.S.-Iraq policy, who received a contract for 10 million barrels of oil — about a $5 million profit.

The son of the Syrian defense minister received 6 million barrels, according to the document, worth about $3 million.

George Galloway, a British member of Parliament, was also on the list to receive 19 million barrels of oil, a $90.5 million profit. A vocal critic of the Iraq war, Galloway denied any involvement to ABCNEWS earlier this year.

"I've never seen a bottle of oil, owned one or bought one," Galloway said in a previous interview with ABCNEWS.


According to the document, France was the second-largest beneficiary, with tens of millions of barrels awarded to Patrick Maugein, a close political associate and financial backer of French President Jacques Chirac.

Maugein, individually and through companies connected to him, received contracts for some 36 million barrels. Chirac's office said it was unaware of Maugein's deals, which Maugein told ABCNEWS are perfectly legal.

The single biggest set of contracts were given to the Russian government and Russian political figures, more than 1.3 billion barrels in all — including 92 million barrels to individual officials in the office of President Vladimir Putin.

Another 1 million barrels were contracted to the Russian ambassador to Baghdad, 137 million barrels of oil were given to the Russian Communist Party, and 5 million barrels were contracted to the Russian Orthodox Church.

Also on the list are the names of prominent journalists, two Iraqi-Americans, and a French priest who organized a meeting between the pope and Tariq Aziz, Saddam's deputy prime minister.

The following are the names of some of those who, according to the document, received Iraqi oil contracts (amounts are in millions of barrels of oil):

Russia
The Companies of the Russian Communist Party: 137 million
The Companies of the Liberal Democratic Party: 79.8 million
The Russian Committee for Solidarity with Iraq: 6.5 million and 12.5 million (2 separate contracts)
Head of the Russian Presidential Cabinet: 90 million
The Russian Orthodox Church: 5 million


France
Charles Pasqua, former minister of interior: 12 million
Trafigura (Patrick Maugein), businessman: 25 million
Ibex: 47.2 million
Bernard Merimee, former French ambassador to the United Nations: 3 million
Michel Grimard, founder of the French-Iraqi Export Club: 17.1 million



Syria
Firas Mostafa Tlass, son of Syria's defense minister: 6 million

Turkey
Zeynel Abidin Erdem: more than 27 million
Lotfy Doghan: more than 11 million

Indonesia
Megawati Sukarnoputri: 11 million

Spain
Ali Ballout, Lebanese journalist: 8.8 million

Yugoslavia
The Socialist Party: 22 million
Kostunica's Party: 6 million

Canada
Arthur Millholland, president and CEO of Oilexco: 9.5 million

Italy
Father Benjamin, a French Catholic priest who arranged a meeting between the pope and Tariq Aziz: 4.5 million
Roberto Frimigoni: 24.5 million

United States
Samir Vincent: 7 million
Shakir Alkhalaji: 10.5 million

United Kingdom
George Galloway, member of Parliament: 19 million
Mujaheddin Khalq: 36.5 million

South Africa
Tokyo Saxwale: 4 million

Jordan
Shaker bin Zaid: 6.5 million
The Jordanian Ministry of Energy: 5 million
Fawaz Zureikat: 6 million
Toujan Al Faisal, former member of Parliament: 3 million

Lebanon
The son of President Lahoud: 5.5 million

Egypt
Khaled Abdel Nasser: 16.5 million
Emad Al Galda, businessman and Parliament member: 14 million

Palestinian Territories
The Palestinian Liberation Organization: 4 million
Abu Al Abbas: 11.5 million

Qatar
Hamad bin Ali Al Thany: 14 million

Libya
Prime Minister Shukri Ghanem: 1 million

Chad
Foreign minister of Chad: 3 million

Brazil
The October 8th Movement: 4.5 million

Myanmar (Burma)
The minister of the Forests of Myanmar: 5 million

Ukraine
The Social Democratic Party: 8.5 million
The Communist Party: 6 million
The Socialist Party: 2 million
The FTD oil company: 2 million
 
I don't really care too much about France, but in article that WW posted it said

Documents from Saddam Hussein's oil ministry reveal he used oil to bribe top French officials into opposing the imminent U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

And in Lefty's article it lists names of private French citizens as the recipients of oil promises.

Is this the equivalent of calling Ken Lay a "top US official"?

-Bam
 
Originally posted by bamthin
I don't really care too much about France, but in article that WW posted it said



And in Lefty's article it lists names of private French citizens as the recipients of oil promises.

Is this the equivalent of calling Ken Lay a "top US official"?

-Bam

Let's not make it sound like they were regular every day citizens. These people could have influence over government figures. I'm more concerned with the former foreign minister and former french ambassador to the UN.
 
Here is my own tin foil hat theroy, and anyone who care to enlighten me can feel free. Ok, here goes..... I always wondered how many Euro dollars (namely money from oil revenue, which the UN kept a watchful eye on) is sitting in European banks, and which banks? Could this have any revelance to any opposition coming from Europe, and what happens to the money? Also, will Iraqi oil be sold once again in USA dollars? Is any of the above important, or should I just shift my hat a little.

No said one, you can take your hat off. This is not just a theory, but a very viable possibility.
 
Originally posted by jimnyc
Let's not make it sound like they were regular every day citizens. These people could have influence over government figures. I'm more concerned with the former foreign minister and former french ambassador to the UN.


Aren't the liberals supposed to be the "tin foil hat" wearers?

:confused:


-Bam
 
Originally posted by jimnyc
That is correct! What do you think they were bribed for then?

I don't have any idea. Do you know what they could have done for Saddam? As far as I know, there is no evidence that there was actually any bribe that took place and the French government has officially denied that any of that influenced their state policy. Also, none of the people named were involved in any decision making for France.

It would seem to me that anything outside of that is pure speculation and tin foil hat theory.

That is equivalent, in my opinion, to suggesting that Billy Tauzin was promised a cushy position at PhRMA for his work on the prescription drug benefit bill. Which undoubtedly would be met with tin foil hat replies.

LINK


-Bam
 
Sounds like rance is dirty, they can join the club.
But what about regular people opposing the war?
Most of us didn't receive our Saddam bribes or our oil contracts, and Halliburton wouldn't hire us... so we just had to oppose the war for legal/ethical reasons. Because someone opposes the war for bad reasons, does that then make the war just?
 
Originally posted by Scourge
Because someone opposes the war for bad reasons, does that then make the war just?

I don't think if someone is for war or opposed to it has anything at all to do with whether or not the war was justified.

The death penalty is justified in many US states and there are people opposed to it worldwide.
 
"the basis of an official investigation by the new Iraqi Governing Council"

Yeah, a real independent and unbiased source. The U.S. puppet council is all of a sudden releasing all this wonderful "information" helpful to the cause. Hmmm. Forgive my skepticism. The Times had a story today: Saddam ripped off accounts! Yeah, no doink. I'm sure he did. I'm sure he had tacky furniture, too. I saw that on TV.

But that does not mean we should be doing Israel's bidding.
 

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