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It Ain’t ‘Just History’ If It Is Happening Now

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In 1960s, Liberals supported Freedom, while Conservatives at that time supported Censorship.


That's an example of misdirection.

What you call censorship was a response to the Left's desire to destroy all tradition, values and heritage.


Here are aims shared by the Democrat Party and the Communist Party USA

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
 

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1) Too many guns are used in Suicide and Murder

2) Some Conservatives are Racist

3) All people who can not provide for themselves should be helped by the State


1. The Constitution is the law of the land, and only conservative see it as such. Neither suicide nor murder are associated with conservatives. BTW.....there is no group in the country more law-abiding than gun owners.

  1. Example: “Of the 51,078 permits that have been issued by the state since the law took effect in 2007, 44 permit holders have been charged with a crime while using a firearm through late October, according to records provided by the Kansas Attorney General’s Office.”
  2. http://www.kansas.com/news/article1103132.html
  3. http://www.kansas.com/2012/11/17/2572467/few-crimes-committed-by-concealed.html ( .00086%)

2. Name them: there is no racism, no white privilege, no white supremacy.
No laws permitting racial discrimination.
I challenge you to prove any 'racism.'


3. Here's a book that will straighten out your view:
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"'Tis the season for giving—and it turns out that conservatives and like-minded welfare skeptics more than hold their own when it comes to charity. So says Arthur C. Brooks in his new book Who Really Cares?: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism.



2. Arthur Brooks, a public policy professor at Syracuse University, sums up his own results thusly: Giving is dictated by "strong families, church attendance, earned income (as opposed to state-subsidized income), and the belief that individuals, not government, offer the best solution to social ills--all of these factors determine how likely one is to give."



3. ...those who say they strongly oppose redistribution by government to remedy income inequality give over 10 times more to charity than those who strongly support government intervention, with a difference of $1,627 annually versus $140 to all causes.



4. Brooks finds that households with a conservative at the helm gave an average of 30 percent more money to charity in 2000 than liberal households (a difference of $1,600 to $1,227). The difference isn't explained by income differential—in fact, liberal households make about 6 percent more per year.



5. Poor, rich, and middle class conservatives all gave more than their liberal counterparts. ... "People who do not value freedom and opportunity simply don't value individual solutions to social problems very much. It creates a culture of not giving."



6. In 2004, self-described liberals younger than thirty belonged to one-third fewer organizations in their communities than young conservatives. In 2002, they were 12 percent less likely to give money to charities, and one-third less likely to give blood." Liberals, he says, give less than conservatives because of religion, attitudes about government, structure of families, and earned income.



7. ...young liberals are less likely do nice things for their nearest and dearest, too. Compared with young conservatives, "a lower percentage said they would prefer to suffer than let a loved one suffer, that they are not happy unless the loved one is happy, or that they would sacrifice their own wishes for those they love."



8. "Tangible evidence suggests that charitable giving makes people prosperous, healthy, and happy. And that on its own is a huge argument to protect institutions of giving in this country, as individuals, in communities, and as a nation. We simply do best, as a nation, when people are free and they freely give."



"There's something incredibly satisfying, inherently, about voluntary giving,"...
1) There has been 572,000 gun deaths in 1999-2016:

usgun-deaths-1999-2016.jpg


2) African Americans do get longer prison time for the same crime then white people. Minorities suffer poverty disproportionately.

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Modern Progressives are the Greater Evil due to their Totalitarianism. Liberals in 1960s were right on most issues.
 

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The Great Yogi famously opined “'It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future'”

But just a tad easier if you know the past.



1. The take-over of a nation by an alien ideology is not new.​


“The Thirty Tyrants

The deal that the American elite chose … has a precedent in the history of Athens and Sparta

The example Machiavelli gives… is the friendly government Sparta established in Athens upon defeating it after 27 years of war in 404 BCE. For the upper caste of an Athenian elite already contemptuous of democracy, the city’s defeat in the Peloponnesian War confirmed that Sparta’s system was preferable. It was a high-spirited military aristocracy ruling over a permanent servant class, the helots, who were periodically slaughtered to condition them to accept their subhuman status. Athenian democracy by contrast gave too much power to the low-born. The pro-Sparta oligarchy used their patrons’ victory to undo the rights of citizens, and settle scores with their domestic rivals, exiling and executing them and confiscating their wealth.

The Athenian government disloyal to Athens’ laws and contemptuous of its traditions was known as the Thirty Tyrants, and understanding its role and function helps explain what is happening in America today.” The Thirty Tyrants




2. It is possible that some, the product of government schooling, have been trained to be oblivious of the take-over by a foreign ideology. The new ‘leaders’ are so proud of it, that they admit it openly:


Here is Tom Perez, who served as the Chair of the Democratic National Committee, proudly proclaiming the victory:


"MARXISTS AND EXTREME RADICALS SEEK TO TAKE OVER THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
DNC chairman Tom Perez s
aid Democratic Socialists of America member Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez “represents the future of our party.”

DSA chapter chairs have agreed that “communism is good.”

One DSA caucus calls its members “revolutionary Marxists.”

A far-left group behind rising Democratic star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is rife with Marxists and other far-left radicals.
The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), which includes Ocasio-Cortez, is creeping its way into the mainstream of American politics.

What Perez didn’t mention is that the group behind “the future” of the Democratic Party is teeming with radicals openly dedicated to dismantling and overturning the economic and social foundations of the United States."
Marxists And Extreme Radicals Seek To Take Over The Democratic Party
Marxists And Extreme Radicals Seek To Take Over The Democratic Party


The Democratic Socialists of America behind rising Democratic star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is rife with Marxists and other far-left radicals.
dailycaller.com





3. Their motivation in all venues, all institutions, all values and traditions is simply this: destroy.
Destroy all that is, to create their imaginary Utopia.
They desire to destroy all tradition, values, and attitudes, beginning with morality, and the family, and build their imagined Utopia here on earth.

"In this particular idea of the Enlightenment, the need to change human nature, and to eliminate customs and traditions, to remake established institutions, to do away with all inequalities in order to bring man closer to the state, which was the expression of the general will."
Talmon, “Origins of Totalitarian Democracy,” p. 3-7




And all they need is your vote.

The great yogi? You must mean yogi bear.

Your only projecting more conspiracy theories against the dems.
You're full of it.
 

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That's an example of misdirection.

What you call censorship was a response to the Left's desire to destroy all tradition, values and heritage.


Here are aims shared by the Democrat Party and the Communist Party USA

5. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

6. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

7. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

8. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
Now....wouldn't an honest appraisal agree that all or almost all are clearly the aims and direction of Democrats/Liberals/Progressive leaders?

I got 'em from a website of declared communist goals...

The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
There is an enormous difference between Liberal Liberals (now rare) and Totalitarian Liberals.
 
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1) There has been 572,000 gun deaths in 1999-2016:

usgun-deaths-1999-2016.jpg


2) African Americans do get longer prison time for the same crime then white people. Minorities suffer poverty disproportionately.

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Modern Progressives are the Greater Evil due to their Totalitarianism. Liberals in 1960s were right on most issues.



38,000 people

More than 38,000 people die every year in crashes on U.S. roadways. The U.S. traffic fatality rate is 12.4 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants. An additional 4.4 million are injured seriously enough to require medical attention. Road crashes are the leading cause of death in the U.S. for people aged 1-54.


All conservatives in those cars??????????



Back in 2002, the National Academy of Sciences did a study on the effects of CAFE. They found that over the three decades CAFE has been in effect, downsizing of cars and trucks for fuel economy has cost us about 2,000 lives per year.
 
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There is an enormous difference between Liberal Liberals (now rare) and Totalitarian Liberals.


No there isn't.

The political system is binary.

Every sort of Liberal votes for the same party.
 

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More than 38,000 people die every year in crashes on U.S. roadways. The U.S. traffic fatality rate is 12.4 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants. An additional 4.4 million are injured seriously enough to require medical attention.
Banning cars is unreasonable. Motorcycles can be restricted -- they are about 30 times more dangerous then cars.
 

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No there isn't.

The political system is binary.

Every sort of Liberal votes for the same party.
I am not a Democrat.

Liberal Communism of Leon Trotsky was different from Totalitarian Communism of Joseph Stalin.
 

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There is NO rich person concerned about the middle class or poor. There never has been. Never will be. It especially pertains to any person who has run for public office.
 
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I am not a Democrat.

Liberal Communism of Leon Trotsky was different from Totalitarian Communism of Joseph Stalin.


Not when it comes to which party you vote for.
 
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There is NO rich person concerned about the middle class or poor. There never has been. Never will be. It especially pertains to any person who has run for public office.



Astounding that you have reached this point in your life and you still don't understand what words mean.

I bet if we moved your dinner plate five inches, you'd starve to death.
 
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7. “For nearly a year, American officials have purposefully laid waste to our economy and society for the sole purpose of arrogating more power to themselves [Wuhan lock-downs] while the Chinese economy has gained on America’s.

China’s lockdowns had nothing to do with the difference in outcomes. Lockdowns are not public health measures to reduce the spread of a virus. They are political instruments, which is why Democratic Party officials who put their constituents under repeated lengthy lockdowns, like New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, are signaling publicly that it is imperative they be allowed to reopen immediately now that Trump is safely gone…

… Democratic officials intentionally destroyed lives…irrelevant to America’s version of the Thirty Tyrants. [And there are hundreds of political prisoners locked up in prison based on the bogus claims of an “insurrection.”]



The job was to boost coronavirus casualties the [the number has been inflated by claiming every death in the nation was due to the Wuhan] in order to defeat Trump and they succeeded. As with Athens’ anti-democratic faction, America’s best and brightest long ago lost its way.” The Thirty Tyrants



Note how well those ‘best and brightest’ have done in the Afghanistan exit. Those are same people who claimed Wuhan death totals, when the truth is that nearly zero die from covid. The recovery rate is almost 100%.
 
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8. “What seems clear is that Biden’s inauguration marks the hegemony of an American oligarchy that sees its relationship with China as a shield and sword against their own countrymen.

Like Athens’ Thirty Tyrants, they are not simply contemptuous of a political system that recognizes the natural rights of all its citizens that are endowed by our creator; they despise in particular the notion that those they rule have the same rights they do. Witness their newfound respect for the idea that speech should only be free for the enlightened few who know how to use it properly.

Like Critias and the pro-Sparta faction, the new American oligarchy believes that democracy’s failures are proof of their own exclusive right to power—and they are happy to rule in partnership with a foreign power that will help them destroy their own countrymen.



What does history teach us about this moment? The bad news is that the Thirty Tyrants exiled notable Athenian democrats and confiscated their property while murdering an estimated 5% of the Athenian population.

The good news is that their rule lasted less than a year.” Op. Cit.
 

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8. “What seems clear is that Biden’s inauguration marks the hegemony of an American oligarchy that sees its relationship with China as a shield and sword against their own countrymen.

Like Athens’ Thirty Tyrants, they are not simply contemptuous of a political system that recognizes the natural rights of all its citizens that are endowed by our creator; they despise in particular the notion that those they rule have the same rights they do. Witness their newfound respect for the idea that speech should only be free for the enlightened few who know how to use it properly.

Like Critias and the pro-Sparta faction, the new American oligarchy believes that democracy’s failures are proof of their own exclusive right to power—and they are happy to rule in partnership with a foreign power that will help them destroy their own countrymen.



What does history teach us about this moment? The bad news is that the Thirty Tyrants exiled notable Athenian democrats and confiscated their property while murdering an estimated 5% of the Athenian population.

The good news is that their rule lasted less than a year.” Op. Cit.
Liberal Liberals were even more pro-Freedom then Conservatives.

Sadly, modern Progressives are extremely Totalitarian.
 

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Unfortunately, Sunni.....there are just too many that don't care.

Another history reference:

A phrase used by a Roman writer to deplore the declining heroism of Romans after the Roman Republic ceased to exist and the Roman Empire began: “Two things only the people anxiously desire — bread and circuses.” The government kept the Roman populace happy by distributing free food and staging huge spectacles.

Bread and circuses - ESDAW

Well, they gave away free cooking oil, also. They tried adding wine for awhile, but that didn't work out.

Of course that's where we are going with the Minimum Guaranteed Income programs.

Though that isn't how Rome fell, exactly --- it fell because of invasions by a whole bunch of different kinds of barbarians running over the border until they developed critical mass and took over. Like us now and Europe, too.
 
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Sadly over 33,000 lives a year will continue to be lost in USA.

All people have innate value.

Very sad.


When you see that thousands number, remember that 3 million Americans die from all sorts of things annually, and that the most significant numbers occur from these causes: heart disease, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia. Never the flu alone!!!!
 
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NY is Democratic anyway -- I do not vote in Presidential elections.


Perhaps I wasn't clear enough: there are only two choices for a victory in any election.

Every iteration of Liberal votes Democrat.....as do communists, socialists, etc.
 

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