ISRO launches its biggest ever rocket

[Vikrant]

Indian Space Research Organization launches GSLV Mk III, the biggest ever rocket fired by an Indian agency. This rocket carried a mock capsule capable of taking heavy payloads such as astronaut crew from Earth to space.

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India launches GSLV Mk-III its biggest ever rocket from Sriharikota Daily Mail Online

 

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NASA needs extra funding , more efficient organisation and a clear vision for manned space flight if it is not going to be overtaken by others in the near future. India did this cheaper. Also it seems they have an ICBM capability equal to All the 5 security council members. But actually I am glad cause if India can do this means we are rapidly approaching a trigger point where to make the next step you will have to be ahead in space.

 

[KissMy]

Space-X & all other private sector space companies are 10 times cheaper per launch. NASA needs a pay cut with a mandate to do more. The US Defense department, Home land security & border waste even more money.

 

[Vikrant]

NASA needs extra funding , more efficient organisation and a clear vision for manned space flight if it is not going to be overtaken by others in the near future. India did this cheaper. Also it seems they have an ICBM capability equal to All the 5 security council members. But actually I am glad cause if India can do this means we are rapidly approaching a trigger point where to make the next step you will have to be ahead in space.

ISRO is the only agency which reached Mars on its first attempt. So I think your underestimation of ISRO is misplaced. Also one more correction on your post: not all P5 nations have ICBM capability.

 

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Which P5 country does not. Both the British and French have ICBM launch capability from submarines?

Regarding underestimating ISRO the level of complexity and quality of what they have achieved so far has not been on the level of the most advanced NASA missions. They also have the advantage of being able to learn from others mistakes who got to Mars 40- 50 years ago.

 

[Vikrant]

Which P5 country does not. Both the British and French have ICBM launch capability from submarines?

Regarding underestimating ISRO the level of complexity and quality of what they have achieved so far has not been on the level of the most advanced NASA missions. They also have the advantage of being able to learn from others mistakes who got to Mars 40- 50 years ago.

You are wrong in assuming that NASA shares its knowledge with ISRO.

France and Russia are the only two countries in Europe that have ICBMs.

Britain has SLBMs not ICBMs which I think it has leased from the U.S.

 

[ChrisL]

Indian Space Research Organization launches GSLV Mk III, the biggest ever rocket fired by an Indian agency. This rocket carried a mock capsule capable of taking heavy payloads such as astronaut crew from Earth to space.

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India launches GSLV Mk-III its biggest ever rocket from Sriharikota Daily Mail Online

Very cool.

 

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Which P5 country does not. Both the British and French have ICBM launch capability from submarines?

Regarding underestimating ISRO the level of complexity and quality of what they have achieved so far has not been on the level of the most advanced NASA missions. They also have the advantage of being able to learn from others mistakes who got to Mars 40- 50 years ago.

You are wrong in assuming that NASA shares its knowledge with ISRO.

France and Russia are the only two countries in Europe that have ICBMs.

Britain has SLBMs not ICBMs which I think it has leased from the U.S.

Britain has an intercontinental missile capability and the French do not do ICBMs either today. Britain owns Trident missiles which they bought from America like Polaris before it. Britain developed nuclear weopans independently of the USA though the Manhatten project utilised a lot of British research. But unlike the French the British have since Suez written their Defence strategy in terms of the American alliance which is why they remain Americas closest , most consistent and most valuable ally.

I did not say that NASA directly shared their data with the Indian Space Agency but they have shared more than enough with the whole world to teach the most important lessons. India does to a considerable extent stand on the shoulders of giants and have benefited from a global rocket expertise that has been around for decades in Russia and the USA.

 

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Also the Vikas engines used on the GSLV Mk3 is quite similar to ESAs Viking engine used on the Ariane. This is one of the most reliable engines in the business.

 

[Vikrant]

^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.

 

[Mr. H.]

There's big money to be made in the outer spaces.

 

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^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.

They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.

 

[Vikrant]

^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.

They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.

Russia was stopped from helping India. That is the whole point. U.S. did everything it could to stop India from building cryogenic engines. U.S. pressured other countries as well to stop any collaboration with India on cryogenic engines. Yet India succeeded in building this from scratch while under sanctions.

There are some Europeans who grow up with bias and heavy sense of white supremacy. They seem to have hard time coming to terms with the fact that a non-white country can develop things on it's own.

If what you are saying is true and if space technology were truly open source like you are saying then every country would be going to Mars and beyond right now. However, that is not the case and that should tell you that your information is incorrect.

 

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^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.

They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.

Russia was stopped from helping India. That is the whole point. U.S. did everything it could to stop India from building cryogenic engines. U.S. pressured other countries as well to stop any collaboration with India on cryogenic engines. Yet India succeeded in building this from scratch while under sanctions.

There are some Europeans who grow up with bias and heavy sense of white supremacy. They seem to have hard time coming to terms with the fact that a non-white country can develop things on it's own.

If what you are saying is true and if space technology were truly open source like you are saying then every country would be going to Mars and beyond right now. However, that is not the case and that should tell you that your information is incorrect.

Not open source a French team worked directly with them. Get over your racial hangup that is an American problem not a British one. Indians tend to out perform Whites in the education system here so we know they are smart. This is a great achievement against American opposition. But it was the Europeans not the Americans that fought against white supremacy here.

 

[Vikrant]

^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.

They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.

Russia was stopped from helping India. That is the whole point. U.S. did everything it could to stop India from building cryogenic engines. U.S. pressured other countries as well to stop any collaboration with India on cryogenic engines. Yet India succeeded in building this from scratch while under sanctions.

There are some Europeans who grow up with bias and heavy sense of white supremacy. They seem to have hard time coming to terms with the fact that a non-white country can develop things on it's own.

If what you are saying is true and if space technology were truly open source like you are saying then every country would be going to Mars and beyond right now. However, that is not the case and that should tell you that your information is incorrect.

Not open source a French team worked directly with them. Get over your racial hangup that is an American problem not a British one. Indians tend to out perform Whites in the education system here so we know they are smart. This is a great achievement against American opposition. But it was the Europeans not the Americans that fought against white supremacy here.

You are wrong again. NASA is the only agency ISRO had actual collaboration with and that ended in 60s when distance between India and the U.S. started to grow. ISRO never had design level collaboration with another country - not even U.S.S.R. / Russia. The level of co-operation between French and ISRO is limited to 'you scratch my back and I will scratch your back' type of co-operation. What it basically means is that ISRO has launched stuff for French and vice versa. That is about it. ISRO has two types of rockets that are routinely used by it: PSLV and GSLV. Both are very unique Indian designs.

 

[Mindlight]

^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.

They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.

Russia was stopped from helping India. That is the whole point. U.S. did everything it could to stop India from building cryogenic engines. U.S. pressured other countries as well to stop any collaboration with India on cryogenic engines. Yet India succeeded in building this from scratch while under sanctions.

There are some Europeans who grow up with bias and heavy sense of white supremacy. They seem to have hard time coming to terms with the fact that a non-white country can develop things on it's own.

If what you are saying is true and if space technology were truly open source like you are saying then every country would be going to Mars and beyond right now. However, that is not the case and that should tell you that your information is incorrect.

Not open source a French team worked directly with them. Get over your racial hangup that is an American problem not a British one. Indians tend to out perform Whites in the education system here so we know they are smart. This is a great achievement against American opposition. But it was the Europeans not the Americans that fought against white supremacy here.

You are wrong again. NASA is the only agency ISRO had actual collaboration with and that ended in 60s when distance between India and the U.S. started to grow. ISRO never had design level collaboration with another country - not even U.S.S.R. / Russia. The level of co-operation between French and ISRO is limited to 'you scratch my back and I will scratch your back' type of co-operation. What it basically means is that ISRO has launched stuff for French and vice versa. That is about it. ISRO has two types of rockets that are routinely used by it: PSLV and GSLV. Both are very unique Indian designs.

French collaboration was deeper than that and even through the time of nuclear sanctions against India it was selling them stuff. However regarding rockets I will concede the point as it seems to me that the French also had no interest in giving the rocket launch technology away to the Indians as that would have meant losing their senior partner status in the bilateral trade and Indias dependence on Ariane for its launches until recently. With the launch of the GSLV the relationship has changed and the dependency factor is no longer there.

The Space Review India 8217 s French Connection in space

That said the GSLV is very similar to the Ariane design and 50 years after the Russian and American achievements.

 

[Vikrant]

^ You are wrong. NASA. used to co-operate with ISRO in 50s with sounding rockets and stuffs like that. But that was a history long time ago. Since then U.S. took keen interest in preventing India from developing cryogenic engines. In 90s, Russia was co-operating with India towards India's aim of developing cryogenic engines. But under U.S. pressure Russia stopped. Not only that ISRO was heavily sanctioned by the U.S. and it allies. The main objective was to prevent India from developing heavy lift rockets. It is remarkable that Indians were able to develop these sophisticated technologies despite heavy sanctions. Even China did not have to undergo such gruesome sanctions as India did. I find it funny that you think ISRO was helped by the West.

They did a good job but you are naive if you think that they got there entirely by themself. As you say the Russians helped them in the 90s. More importantly a French team assisted Nambi Narayanan for almost 2 decades in the building of this rocket hence the similarity with ESAs Ariane.
Also to put this in perspective the Russians and Americans were putting manned missions into space in the 60s. They got there despite Americas attempts to block them doing this when India refused to pay for Americas over priced assistance.

Russia was stopped from helping India. That is the whole point. U.S. did everything it could to stop India from building cryogenic engines. U.S. pressured other countries as well to stop any collaboration with India on cryogenic engines. Yet India succeeded in building this from scratch while under sanctions.

There are some Europeans who grow up with bias and heavy sense of white supremacy. They seem to have hard time coming to terms with the fact that a non-white country can develop things on it's own.

If what you are saying is true and if space technology were truly open source like you are saying then every country would be going to Mars and beyond right now. However, that is not the case and that should tell you that your information is incorrect.

Not open source a French team worked directly with them. Get over your racial hangup that is an American problem not a British one. Indians tend to out perform Whites in the education system here so we know they are smart. This is a great achievement against American opposition. But it was the Europeans not the Americans that fought against white supremacy here.

You are wrong again. NASA is the only agency ISRO had actual collaboration with and that ended in 60s when distance between India and the U.S. started to grow. ISRO never had design level collaboration with another country - not even U.S.S.R. / Russia. The level of co-operation between French and ISRO is limited to 'you scratch my back and I will scratch your back' type of co-operation. What it basically means is that ISRO has launched stuff for French and vice versa. That is about it. ISRO has two types of rockets that are routinely used by it: PSLV and GSLV. Both are very unique Indian designs.

French collaboration was deeper than that and even through the time of nuclear sanctions against India it was selling them stuff. However regarding rockets I will concede the point as it seems to me that the French also had no interest in giving the rocket launch technology away to the Indians as that would have meant losing their senior partner status in the bilateral trade and Indias dependence on Ariane for its launches until recently. With the launch of the GSLV the relationship has changed and the dependency factor is no longer there.

The Space Review India 8217 s French Connection in space

That said the GSLV is very similar to the Ariane design and 50 years after the Russian and American achievements.

I have come across that article before and I have read it. That article does not say that GSLV was aided by French or anybody.

India sought help of Russia in early 90s for cryogenic component of its GSLV program but that was prevented by the U.S. So India had no choice but to do it alone and it did it. This thread is not about who can piss further. So please refrain from it. My objection to you was in response to you belittling ISRO . ISRO may not be as great as NASA or Russian Space Agency today but it has achieved things that are way beyond the capacity of majority of nations in the world including European ones.

ISRO is the first agency to reach Mars on its first attempt. You may belittle that by saying ISRO has learned from the failures of NASA and Russians but if that is the case then why Chinese and Japanese missions to Mars failed. Why were they not able to learn from the mistakes of NASA or Russians? The answer is because the data was classified. Data related to NASA missions are not open source contrary to what you think.

Here is another shocker for you to jolt your ego: ISRO was the first agency to device the technique called Moon Impact Probe (MIP) which is credited for discovering water on the moon.