Israel's Orthodox Protest Draft

[Coyote]

Every citizen of a country like Israel, who relies on its population for survival must answer the call.
The Ultra Orthodox serve no tangible benefit at all, by their continuous religious studies and are a general drag in the country.

About time their attitude changed to a more patriotic one!

I don't even know what Ultra Orthodox means.
These guys are NOT sitting and learning Torah all day long.
They are involved in commerce just like everyone else.
They are a voting block whose day has come and gone.

There's more than one kind of Haredi Jews in Israel. There are those who're very involved and help and vote and respect the state.

And there are those like Satmar and Neturei Karta who do not. So it depends which kind of ultra orthodox you speak of.

Had no idea there were that many religious divisions

 

[Lipush]

I don't even know what Ultra Orthodox means.
These guys are NOT sitting and learning Torah all day long.
They are involved in commerce just like everyone else.
They are a voting block whose day has come and gone.

There's more than one kind of Haredi Jews in Israel. There are those who're very involved and help and vote and respect the state.

And there are those like Satmar and Neturei Karta who do not. So it depends which kind of ultra orthodox you speak of.

Had no idea there were that many religious divisions

We have the saying here that "To each two Jews there are three opinions", that goes to religion too.

 

[aris2chat]

I don't even know what Ultra Orthodox means.
These guys are NOT sitting and learning Torah all day long.
They are involved in commerce just like everyone else.
They are a voting block whose day has come and gone.

There's more than one kind of Haredi Jews in Israel. There are those who're very involved and help and vote and respect the state.

And there are those like Satmar and Neturei Karta who do not. So it depends which kind of ultra orthodox you speak of.

Had no idea there were that many religious divisions

Orthodox Judaism
Modern Orthodox Judaism
Chasidic Orthodox Judaism
Haredi Orthodox Judaism
Conservative Judaism
Traditional Judaism
Reform Judaism
Reconstructionist Judaism
Secular Humanistic Judaism Jewish
Renewal Alternative Judaism
Karaite Judaism
Samaritains

and each have their own branches
there are minor sects as well
Sects, Minor
http://www.majorreligions.com/jewish_denominations.php

 

[Coyote]

It's easy to assume that a faith is monolithic but there are really huge variations. I find that fascinating to learn about. I'm more familiar with the variety in Christianity because that is in my own background

 

[MHunterB]

Somebody needs to try doing the 'roadmap' of denominations within each religion - at least as far as who recognizes who as being 'fellow co-religionists', LOL!

 

[skye]

if you love Israel join the army, no good praying...wasting your time and all that.... in fact shame on you...

sorry that's how I feel.

 

[skye]

I have a problem with Ortodox ...ok?

big problem.

 

[Indeependent]

I have a problem with Ortodox ...ok?

big problem.

Oh no! Now there's an Ortodox Jew?

 

[skye]

I have a problem with Ortodox ...ok?

big problem.

Oh no! Now there's an Ortodox Jew?

don't like the Orhtodox thing.. it's stupid.


In Israel I like warriors and plane fighters and such..... that's what I like ...not Orthodox, nope.

 

[Indeependent]

There's more than one kind of Haredi Jews in Israel. There are those who're very involved and help and vote and respect the state.

And there are those like Satmar and Neturei Karta who do not. So it depends which kind of ultra orthodox you speak of.

Had no idea there were that many religious divisions

Orthodox Judaism
Modern Orthodox Judaism
Chasidic Orthodox Judaism
Haredi Orthodox Judaism
Conservative Judaism
Traditional Judaism
Reform Judaism
Reconstructionist Judaism
Secular Humanistic Judaism Jewish
Renewal Alternative Judaism
Karaite Judaism
Samaritains

and each have their own branches
there are minor sects as well
Sects, Minor
Jewish Denominations: Major Religions of the World

Road Map...
Orthodox Judaism
Modern Orthodox Judaism
Chasidic Orthodox Judaism
Haredi Orthodox Judaism
- Moshe receives Written and Oral (Mishnah) Torah from God.
- The Written and Oral Torah is transmitted from Yehoshua through the end of The Second Temple.
- The Oral Torah is "sort of" preserved via the Gemara (Talmud) by recording the Theoretical Principles as related to all aspects of life.
- Almost every issue brought to a respected Rabbi is Case Law - Hard to believe, but true; there's almost NO dogma and THAT'S why every Jew with a Torah education has 20 opinions on every issue.
- Paranoia...You bet!

Here's where the NON-Orthodox are going to hate my guts...
Conservative Judaism
Traditional Judaism
Reform Judaism
Reconstructionist Judaism
Secular Humanistic Judaism Jewish
Renewal Alternative Judaism
Karaite Judaism
Samaritains...
Reactions to various Enlightened civilizations throughout history starting with the Babylonian Exile.
The Third generation of any of these will invariably be good Church Attendees.
Argue all you want, this is a statistical fact.
Despite how one feels, their descendants WILL seek out religion and will almost definitely convert to either Catholicism or become Protestants or Muslim.

Do the adherents of each of these groups have issues?
Of course, they're humans!

 

[Indeependent]

I have a problem with Ortodox ...ok?

big problem.

Oh no! Now there's an Ortodox Jew?

don't like the Orhtodox thing.. it's stupid.


In Israel I like warriors and plane fighters and such..... that's what I like ...not Orthodox, nope.

You are presuming there aren't THOUSANDS of Orthodox Jews serving in the IDF?
You would be quite incorrect.

King David wasn't so bad on the battle field.

In fact, after 20 years of Karate and Tai-Chi I can probably beat the crap out of most of your non-Orthodox Jewish friends and acquaintances.
And so can a lot of guys in my town who are in their 40s and 50s and are in great shape.
Just saying.

 

[skye]

Oh no! Now there's an Ortodox Jew?

don't like the Orhtodox thing.. it's stupid.


In Israel I like warriors and plane fighters and such..... that's what I like ...not Orthodox, nope.

You are presuming there aren't THOUSANDS of Orthodox Jews serving in the IDF?
You would be quite incorrect.

King David wasn't so bad on the battle field.

In fact, after 20 years of Karate and Tai-Chi I can probably beat the crap out of most of your non-Orthodox Jewish friends and acquaintances.
And so can a lot of guys in my town who are in their 40s and 50s and are in great shape.
Just saying.

ok cool,,,,so go and fight like real men do! ok?

no more of that stupid orthodox thing.... Go get in the army and fight like real men for God's sake!!!!!
WTF give us a break!

 

[Indeependent]

don't like the Orhtodox thing.. it's stupid.


In Israel I like warriors and plane fighters and such..... that's what I like ...not Orthodox, nope.

You are presuming there aren't THOUSANDS of Orthodox Jews serving in the IDF?
You would be quite incorrect.

King David wasn't so bad on the battle field.

In fact, after 20 years of Karate and Tai-Chi I can probably beat the crap out of most of your non-Orthodox Jewish friends and acquaintances.
And so can a lot of guys in my town who are in their 40s and 50s and are in great shape.
Just saying.

ok cool,,,,so go and fight like real men do! ok?

no more of that stupid orthodox thing.... Go get in the army and fight like real men for God's sake!!!!!
WTF give us a break!

The fact that a segment society in Israel can hide behind ANYTHING is bad.
The fact that they are USING God is what makes it so disgusting.
Israel's internal economy and psychology can no longer support this nonsense and it's collapse is thankfully imminent.

 

[Indeependent]

don't like the Orhtodox thing.. it's stupid.


In Israel I like warriors and plane fighters and such..... that's what I like ...not Orthodox, nope.

You are presuming there aren't THOUSANDS of Orthodox Jews serving in the IDF?
You would be quite incorrect.

King David wasn't so bad on the battle field.

In fact, after 20 years of Karate and Tai-Chi I can probably beat the crap out of most of your non-Orthodox Jewish friends and acquaintances.
And so can a lot of guys in my town who are in their 40s and 50s and are in great shape.
Just saying.

ok cool,,,,so go and fight like real men do! ok?

no more of that stupid orthodox thing.... Go get in the army and fight like real men for God's sake!!!!!
WTF give us a break!

I think we're saying the same thing, so I apologize.

 

[skye]

You are presuming there aren't THOUSANDS of Orthodox Jews serving in the IDF?
You would be quite incorrect.

King David wasn't so bad on the battle field.

In fact, after 20 years of Karate and Tai-Chi I can probably beat the crap out of most of your non-Orthodox Jewish friends and acquaintances.
And so can a lot of guys in my town who are in their 40s and 50s and are in great shape.
Just saying.

ok cool,,,,so go and fight like real men do! ok?

no more of that stupid orthodox thing.... Go get in the army and fight like real men for God's sake!!!!!
WTF give us a break!

The fact that a segment society in Israel can hide behind ANYTHING is bad.
The fact that they are USING God is what makes it so disgusting.
Israel's internal economy and psychology can no longer support this nonsense and it's collapse is thankfully imminent.

I don't know what you are talking about.

Orthodox are like any other men...they should put on a uniform and defend Israel.Stop with the prayers and the studying and shit.

Defend Israel ok? Period.

 

[Indeependent]

ok cool,,,,so go and fight like real men do! ok?

no more of that stupid orthodox thing.... Go get in the army and fight like real men for God's sake!!!!!
WTF give us a break!

The fact that a segment society in Israel can hide behind ANYTHING is bad.
The fact that they are USING God is what makes it so disgusting.
Israel's internal economy and psychology can no longer support this nonsense and it's collapse is thankfully imminent.

Orthodox are like any other men...they should put on a uniform and defend Israel.Stop with the prayers and the studying and shit.

Defending Israel is not exactly a full-time job and Israel actually has more qualified citizens in the IDF than it needs (That's not MY opinion).

The issue with BEING a practicing Jew is the essence of why Israel is a Jewish State.
There is NO exclusivity between being JEWISH and Military service.

 

[Lipush]

if you love Israel join the army, no good praying...wasting your time and all that.... in fact shame on you...

sorry that's how I feel.

Praying is good, when it is combined with military service is twice as good

 

[Lipush]

There's more than one kind of Haredi Jews in Israel. There are those who're very involved and help and vote and respect the state.

And there are those like Satmar and Neturei Karta who do not. So it depends which kind of ultra orthodox you speak of.

Had no idea there were that many religious divisions

Orthodox Judaism
Modern Orthodox Judaism
Chasidic Orthodox Judaism
Haredi Orthodox Judaism
Conservative Judaism
Traditional Judaism
Reform Judaism
Reconstructionist Judaism
Secular Humanistic Judaism Jewish
Renewal Alternative Judaism
Karaite Judaism
Samaritains

and each have their own branches
there are minor sects as well
Sects, Minor
Jewish Denominations: Major Religions of the World

Technically, Samaritans are not considered Jews by the Rabbanut, even though they're true brothers.

Not to mention awesome people.

 

[Lipush]

I have a problem with Ortodox ...ok?

big problem.

Okey Dokey

 

[Lipush]

Personally speaking, we have a family of close friends who made Aliyah a decade ago, one of the older boys found God like, years ago, when he was very young. Became a Hareidi Jew and lives till now in Bnei Brak.

He had a choice, and he chose to join the army. After that, he chose to study in Tel-Aviv university, he married a wonderful young woman and they have a beautiful baby-boy. He works at his father-in-law's business, his wife's a teacher.

They're both awesome people, and ultra-orthodox.

So again, problem is not with religion, their trust in God is blessed. They had a choice, and they chose the path that will provide great future for both them and their son.

It's a matter of choice.