Israel's Legal Right To Exist

[member]

Most Jews today say the word HaShem for Gd. I suggest that you also start calling Gd by the name HaShem. That will bring you close to Jews and will bring harmony and unity instead of strife.

Why would anyone want to use the Jewish word for God?

I don't and it is not jew word anyway and jew try to make them selves different and thats how they are.

Why is a Jew different?

jew are not different that is what I am trying to explain them, see my signature note.

Well If You read the Quran You'll find that Jews/Israel have a specific role, in all Christianity and Islam- we're talked about in a different tone.

Of course we're different. Ishmael is different from Jacob, who's names Israel.

Ishmael- hears the word of G-d, Israel contains the word.

"Well............ ...If You read the Quran....."

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so -- what page in the Quaran.... do they touch upon this, ...this: hold up your Bible and gimme that menacing look ?


huh ?



No need to read ......just look:

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oh, that's right, they do not represent peaceful, practicing muslims in Saudi Arabia and...Yemen and afghanistan and pakistan and..libya and qatar and ....and ... and ___________________

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still, i'd like to know what page this metamorphosis takes place ?

 

[Shusha]

Holy change of topic, Batman!

But I suppose it is for the best that this thread come to an end. After 266 pages, there has been not one shred of evidence or legal argument or reasonable explanation for the prohibition of the Jewish people to form a state.

Rehmani, I'm not entirely sure about your point on this thread. On the surface, it appears to be a rather silly discussion about the names of G-d. Silly because both Judaism and Islam have many names for G-d (or more correctly the attributes G-d manifests to humanity). The concept of G-d, I'm sure we will both agree, is one that is larger than can be encompassed with human language. He can not be fully understood, let alone described, and we must be careful not confuse the descriptions we use for Him with His actuality. The words and terms we use are useful in understanding and discussing Her Nature, but are not Her. The term "G-d" is nothing more than an English language way of conveying an idea. When conversing in English, with people who are not Hebrew speakers, its seems courteous to use English terms, rather than one of the many Hebrew words which may not have meaning to those who don't speak Hebrew. I, personally, choose to use the form G-d as a reminder that I must be conscious of the entirety of the concept when writing and not limit G-d by the words I am using. Its a little jolt to remind me of the sanctity.

That said, while I find your desire to "unite" the Jewish people with other people (notably in your conversations, Christians and Muslims), I find your methods and communications and the ideology behind it problematic (and I'm being exceedingly polite and generous with that term). You seem to conceive of unity as being conformity and that non-conformity is evidence of some sort of inherent or intentional wickedness. Sadly, I believe this ideology to be endemic in the Muslim world and I believe it is harmful in the extreme, no matter how politely it is phrased, and frankly, you do not come off as polite, but as condescending and rude and vaguely threatening in an 'or else!' kind of way. At its foundation, it places the Jewish people as "outside" or separated from humanity. And then applies a veneer of treacherous intent to it.

Oddly enough, in a way, this brings us back to the topic of the thread. I think this is the foundation from which people develop, argue and justify holding different standards for the Jewish people, and by extension, Israel. And why we end up with threads like this one, where people hold the idea that a State for the Jewish people has no legal right to exist.

 

[MJB12741]

Holy change of topic, Batman!

But I suppose it is for the best that this thread come to an end. After 266 pages, there has been not one shred of evidence or legal argument or reasonable explanation for the prohibition of the Jewish people to form a state.

Rehmani, I'm not entirely sure about your point on this thread. On the surface, it appears to be a rather silly discussion about the names of G-d. Silly because both Judaism and Islam have many names for G-d (or more correctly the attributes G-d manifests to humanity). The concept of G-d, I'm sure we will both agree, is one that is larger than can be encompassed with human language. He can not be fully understood, let alone described, and we must be careful not confuse the descriptions we use for Him with His actuality. The words and terms we use are useful in understanding and discussing Her Nature, but are not Her. The term "G-d" is nothing more than an English language way of conveying an idea. When conversing in English, with people who are not Hebrew speakers, its seems courteous to use English terms, rather than one of the many Hebrew words which may not have meaning to those who don't speak Hebrew. I, personally, choose to use the form G-d as a reminder that I must be conscious of the entirety of the concept when writing and not limit G-d by the words I am using. Its a little jolt to remind me of the sanctity.

That said, while I find your desire to "unite" the Jewish people with other people (notably in your conversations, Christians and Muslims), I find your methods and communications and the ideology behind it problematic (and I'm being exceedingly polite and generous with that term). You seem to conceive of unity as being conformity and that non-conformity is evidence of some sort of inherent or intentional wickedness. Sadly, I believe this ideology to be endemic in the Muslim world and I believe it is harmful in the extreme, no matter how politely it is phrased, and frankly, you do not come off as polite, but as condescending and rude and vaguely threatening in an 'or else!' kind of way. At its foundation, it places the Jewish people as "outside" or separated from humanity. And then applies a veneer of treacherous intent to it.

Oddly enough, in a way, this brings us back to the topic of the thread. I think this is the foundation from which people develop, argue and justify holding different standards for the Jewish people, and by extension, Israel. And why we end up with threads like this one, where people hold the idea that a State for the Jewish people has no legal right to exist.

Do Muslim countries have a legal right to exist for Muslims? Does the Vatican have a legal right t\o exist for Catholics?

 

[Shusha]

Do Muslim countries have a legal right to exist for Muslims? Does the Vatican have a legal right t\o exist for Catholics?

Does France have a legal right to exist for the French? Does Korea? Does Palestine?

And Team Palestine will say that of course Palestine has the right to exist -- as a homeland for the Palestinians. And who are the Palestinians? The Arabs, and those Jews who have conformed to the Arab expectation.

See, the non-conforming Jews, the ones who wish to self-define and self-realize are not welcome. They are "outsiders", foreigners.

 

[MJB12741]

Do Muslim countries have a legal right to exist for Muslims? Does the Vatican have a legal right t\o exist for Catholics?

Does France have a legal right to exist for the French? Does Korea? Does Palestine?

And Team Palestine will say that of course Palestine has the right to exist -- as a homeland for the Palestinians. And who are the Palestinians? The Arabs, and those Jews who have conformed to the Arab expectation.

See, the non-conforming Jews, the ones who wish to self-define and self-realize are not welcome. They are "outsiders", foreigners.

I said it before & I'll say it again. It's called Palestinian mentality.

 

[montelatici]

Do Muslim countries have a legal right to exist for Muslims? Does the Vatican have a legal right t\o exist for Catholics?

Does France have a legal right to exist for the French? Does Korea? Does Palestine?

And Team Palestine will say that of course Palestine has the right to exist -- as a homeland for the Palestinians. And who are the Palestinians? The Arabs, and those Jews who have conformed to the Arab expectation.

See, the non-conforming Jews, the ones who wish to self-define and self-realize are not welcome. They are "outsiders", foreigners.

As long as land is not stolen from the native inhabitants, in this case whose ancestors in the land go back thousands of years, then there is no problem with a people asserting self-determination.

 

[MJB12741]

Do Muslim countries have a legal right to exist for Muslims? Does the Vatican have a legal right t\o exist for Catholics?

Does France have a legal right to exist for the French? Does Korea? Does Palestine?

And Team Palestine will say that of course Palestine has the right to exist -- as a homeland for the Palestinians. And who are the Palestinians? The Arabs, and those Jews who have conformed to the Arab expectation.

See, the non-conforming Jews, the ones who wish to self-define and self-realize are not welcome. They are "outsiders", foreigners.

As long as land is not stolen from the native inhabitants, in this case whose ancestors in the land go back thousands of years, then there is no problem with a people asserting self-determination.

What of the invading squatters in Israel's land with no titles or deeds to it whatsoever? You want them to have self determination?

 

[montelatici]

Do Muslim countries have a legal right to exist for Muslims? Does the Vatican have a legal right t\o exist for Catholics?

Does France have a legal right to exist for the French? Does Korea? Does Palestine?

And Team Palestine will say that of course Palestine has the right to exist -- as a homeland for the Palestinians. And who are the Palestinians? The Arabs, and those Jews who have conformed to the Arab expectation.

See, the non-conforming Jews, the ones who wish to self-define and self-realize are not welcome. They are "outsiders", foreigners.

As long as land is not stolen from the native inhabitants, in this case whose ancestors in the land go back thousands of years, then there is no problem with a people asserting self-determination.

What of the invading squatters in Israel's land with no titles or deeds to it whatsoever? You want them to have self determination?

They have titles, deeds and keys. The squatters are your buddies.

 

[Hollie]

Do Muslim countries have a legal right to exist for Muslims? Does the Vatican have a legal right t\o exist for Catholics?

Does France have a legal right to exist for the French? Does Korea? Does Palestine?

And Team Palestine will say that of course Palestine has the right to exist -- as a homeland for the Palestinians. And who are the Palestinians? The Arabs, and those Jews who have conformed to the Arab expectation.

See, the non-conforming Jews, the ones who wish to self-define and self-realize are not welcome. They are "outsiders", foreigners.

As long as land is not stolen from the native inhabitants, in this case whose ancestors in the land go back thousands of years, then there is no problem with a people asserting self-determination.

What of the invading squatters in Israel's land with no titles or deeds to it whatsoever? You want them to have self determination?

They have titles, deeds and keys. The squatters are your buddies.

You're forever befuddled. The major land holdings in the area of Pal'istan (aside from lands set aside by the Ottomans as an Islamist waqf), were those of absentee landlords in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.

When did the European xtian Crusaders / colonists become native inhabitants?

 

[MJB12741]

Do Muslim countries have a legal right to exist for Muslims? Does the Vatican have a legal right t\o exist for Catholics?

Does France have a legal right to exist for the French? Does Korea? Does Palestine?

And Team Palestine will say that of course Palestine has the right to exist -- as a homeland for the Palestinians. And who are the Palestinians? The Arabs, and those Jews who have conformed to the Arab expectation.

See, the non-conforming Jews, the ones who wish to self-define and self-realize are not welcome. They are "outsiders", foreigners.

As long as land is not stolen from the native inhabitants, in this case whose ancestors in the land go back thousands of years, then there is no problem with a people asserting self-determination.

What of the invading squatters in Israel's land with no titles or deeds to it whatsoever? You want them to have self determination?

They have titles, deeds and keys. The squatters are your buddies.

You're forever befuddled. The major land holdings in the area of Pal'istan (aside from lands set aside by the Ottomans as an Islamist waqf), were those of absentee landlords in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.

When did the European xtian Crusaders / colonists become native inhabitants?

Maybe he thinks they were the natives who built Solomon's Temple.

 

[montelatici]

Does France have a legal right to exist for the French? Does Korea? Does Palestine?

And Team Palestine will say that of course Palestine has the right to exist -- as a homeland for the Palestinians. And who are the Palestinians? The Arabs, and those Jews who have conformed to the Arab expectation.

See, the non-conforming Jews, the ones who wish to self-define and self-realize are not welcome. They are "outsiders", foreigners.

As long as land is not stolen from the native inhabitants, in this case whose ancestors in the land go back thousands of years, then there is no problem with a people asserting self-determination.

What of the invading squatters in Israel's land with no titles or deeds to it whatsoever? You want them to have self determination?

They have titles, deeds and keys. The squatters are your buddies.

You're forever befuddled. The major land holdings in the area of Pal'istan (aside from lands set aside by the Ottomans as an Islamist waqf), were those of absentee landlords in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.

When did the European xtian Crusaders / colonists become native inhabitants?

Maybe he thinks they were the natives who built Solomon's Temple.

Yes, their ancestors that practiced Judaism, before they converted to Christianity (then Islam) , would have built most things in the area now called Palestine, including Soloman's Temple if it really was built. Now you are starting learn. Good for you.

 

[rylah]

As long as land is not stolen from the native inhabitants, in this case whose ancestors in the land go back thousands of years, then there is no problem with a people asserting self-determination.

What of the invading squatters in Israel's land with no titles or deeds to it whatsoever? You want them to have self determination?

They have titles, deeds and keys. The squatters are your buddies.

You're forever befuddled. The major land holdings in the area of Pal'istan (aside from lands set aside by the Ottomans as an Islamist waqf), were those of absentee landlords in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.

When did the European xtian Crusaders / colonists become native inhabitants?

Maybe he thinks they were the natives who built Solomon's Temple.

Yes, their ancestors that practiced Judaism, before they converted to Christianity (then Islam) , would have built most things in the area now called Palestine, including Soloman's Temple if it really was built. Now you are starting learn. Good for you.

Sounds like the Muslim claim that Jesus was actually a Muslim.

 

[Rehmani]

Yes, Jews and Muslims hold to this superstition. Both are anachronistic and frankly, disagreeable sects. Christians spell it out God, God, God, God.

I don't know God is English word,Roman word or Greek word, German Word, but I am sure Jesus PBUH call or pronounce Alla or Allah.
But for jews, they always do things which is divide instead. I will advice to jews call God, you are close to Christian and if you called Alla means close to Muslim and it will bring harmony, unity instead.

Most Jews today say the word HaShem for Gd. I suggest that you also start calling Gd by the name HaShem. That will bring you close to Jews and will bring harmony and unity instead of strife.

Why would anyone want to use the Jewish word for God?

I'm responding to that Muslim lunatic. He said that if Jews start calling G-d "Allah", it will bring harmony and unity.

Correct. Jews do not kill to honor Allah.

Because jews don't believe in Alla(Hebrew), in a way jew are responsible for killing around.
Look Moses PBUH,Jesus PBUH and Mohammad PBUH they all call Alla or Allah then whats wrong with you to call g d. Tell me ever Abraham to Moses PBUH call g d. They only Alla. this is the reason you people means jew have some mental issue and its come from that you think you are special race.

 

[Rehmani]

Holy change of topic, Batman!

But I suppose it is for the best that this thread come to an end. After 266 pages, there has been not one shred of evidence or legal argument or reasonable explanation for the prohibition of the Jewish people to form a state.

Rehmani, I'm not entirely sure about your point on this thread. On the surface, it appears to be a rather silly discussion about the names of G-d. Silly because both Judaism and Islam have many names for G-d (or more correctly the attributes G-d manifests to humanity). The concept of G-d, I'm sure we will both agree, is one that is larger than can be encompassed with human language. He can not be fully understood, let alone described, and we must be careful not confuse the descriptions we use for Him with His actuality. The words and terms we use are useful in understanding and discussing Her Nature, but are not Her. The term "G-d" is nothing more than an English language way of conveying an idea. When conversing in English, with people who are not Hebrew speakers, its seems courteous to use English terms, rather than one of the many Hebrew words which may not have meaning to those who don't speak Hebrew. I, personally, choose to use the form G-d as a reminder that I must be conscious of the entirety of the concept when writing and not limit G-d by the words I am using. Its a little jolt to remind me of the sanctity.

That said, while I find your desire to "unite" the Jewish people with other people (notably in your conversations, Christians and Muslims), I find your methods and communications and the ideology behind it problematic (and I'm being exceedingly polite and generous with that term). You seem to conceive of unity as being conformity and that non-conformity is evidence of some sort of inherent or intentional wickedness. Sadly, I believe this ideology to be endemic in the Muslim world and I believe it is harmful in the extreme, no matter how politely it is phrased, and frankly, you do not come off as polite, but as condescending and rude and vaguely threatening in an 'or else!' kind of way. At its foundation, it places the Jewish people as "outside" or separated from humanity. And then applies a veneer of treacherous intent to it.

Oddly enough, in a way, this brings us back to the topic of the thread. I think this is the foundation from which people develop, argue and justify holding different standards for the Jewish people, and by extension, Israel. And why we end up with threads like this one, where people hold the idea that a State for the Jewish people has no legal right to exist.

Very simple From Abraham PBUH to Moses,Jesus and Mohammad PBUH they all use for God Alla or Allah if we all follow them it will show some kind of unity.

 

[MJB12741]

As long as land is not stolen from the native inhabitants, in this case whose ancestors in the land go back thousands of years, then there is no problem with a people asserting self-determination.

What of the invading squatters in Israel's land with no titles or deeds to it whatsoever? You want them to have self determination?

They have titles, deeds and keys. The squatters are your buddies.

You're forever befuddled. The major land holdings in the area of Pal'istan (aside from lands set aside by the Ottomans as an Islamist waqf), were those of absentee landlords in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.

When did the European xtian Crusaders / colonists become native inhabitants?

Maybe he thinks they were the natives who built Solomon's Temple.

Yes, their ancestors that practiced Judaism, before they converted to Christianity (then Islam) , would have built most things in the area now called Palestine, including Soloman's Temple if it really was built. Now you are starting learn. Good for you.

Isn't it interesting how most Christians & Muslims have Jewish bloodlines in their veins & arteries? Do you like gefilte fish?

 

[rylah]

Holy change of topic, Batman!

But I suppose it is for the best that this thread come to an end. After 266 pages, there has been not one shred of evidence or legal argument or reasonable explanation for the prohibition of the Jewish people to form a state.

Rehmani, I'm not entirely sure about your point on this thread. On the surface, it appears to be a rather silly discussion about the names of G-d. Silly because both Judaism and Islam have many names for G-d (or more correctly the attributes G-d manifests to humanity). The concept of G-d, I'm sure we will both agree, is one that is larger than can be encompassed with human language. He can not be fully understood, let alone described, and we must be careful not confuse the descriptions we use for Him with His actuality. The words and terms we use are useful in understanding and discussing Her Nature, but are not Her. The term "G-d" is nothing more than an English language way of conveying an idea. When conversing in English, with people who are not Hebrew speakers, its seems courteous to use English terms, rather than one of the many Hebrew words which may not have meaning to those who don't speak Hebrew. I, personally, choose to use the form G-d as a reminder that I must be conscious of the entirety of the concept when writing and not limit G-d by the words I am using. Its a little jolt to remind me of the sanctity.

That said, while I find your desire to "unite" the Jewish people with other people (notably in your conversations, Christians and Muslims), I find your methods and communications and the ideology behind it problematic (and I'm being exceedingly polite and generous with that term). You seem to conceive of unity as being conformity and that non-conformity is evidence of some sort of inherent or intentional wickedness. Sadly, I believe this ideology to be endemic in the Muslim world and I believe it is harmful in the extreme, no matter how politely it is phrased, and frankly, you do not come off as polite, but as condescending and rude and vaguely threatening in an 'or else!' kind of way. At its foundation, it places the Jewish people as "outside" or separated from humanity. And then applies a veneer of treacherous intent to it.

Oddly enough, in a way, this brings us back to the topic of the thread. I think this is the foundation from which people develop, argue and justify holding different standards for the Jewish people, and by extension, Israel. And why we end up with threads like this one, where people hold the idea that a State for the Jewish people has no legal right to exist.

Very simple From Abraham PBUH to Moses,Jesus and Mohammad PBUH they all use for God Alla or Allah if we all follow them it will show some kind of unity.

No they didn't. Find one 'Alla' in the Torah.
Noone was a Muslim before Your prophet, this claim only exists in the Koran.

 

[Shusha]

Rehmani

What is the purpose of "unity"?

 

[montelatici]

What of the invading squatters in Israel's land with no titles or deeds to it whatsoever? You want them to have self determination?

They have titles, deeds and keys. The squatters are your buddies.

You're forever befuddled. The major land holdings in the area of Pal'istan (aside from lands set aside by the Ottomans as an Islamist waqf), were those of absentee landlords in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.

When did the European xtian Crusaders / colonists become native inhabitants?

Maybe he thinks they were the natives who built Solomon's Temple.

Yes, their ancestors that practiced Judaism, before they converted to Christianity (then Islam) , would have built most things in the area now called Palestine, including Soloman's Temple if it really was built. Now you are starting learn. Good for you.

Sounds like the Muslim claim that Jesus was actually a Muslim.

As a Christian, I have no idea what Muslims claim and don't give a shit what they claim. The fact that those that practiced Judaism and other religions in the Roman province of Palestine converted to Christianity is historical fact.

 

[rylah]

They have titles, deeds and keys. The squatters are your buddies.

You're forever befuddled. The major land holdings in the area of Pal'istan (aside from lands set aside by the Ottomans as an Islamist waqf), were those of absentee landlords in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.

When did the European xtian Crusaders / colonists become native inhabitants?

Maybe he thinks they were the natives who built Solomon's Temple.

Yes, their ancestors that practiced Judaism, before they converted to Christianity (then Islam) , would have built most things in the area now called Palestine, including Soloman's Temple if it really was built. Now you are starting learn. Good for you.

Sounds like the Muslim claim that Jesus was actually a Muslim.

As a Christian, I have no idea what Muslims claim and don't give a shit what they claim. The fact that those that practiced Judaism and other religions in the Roman province of Palestine converted to Christianity is historical fact.

Ok agreed.
However You're still to prove that they stayed in that land en mass for 2000 years, and somehow connect them to so called modern Palestinians.

Good luck

 

[montelatici]

What of the invading squatters in Israel's land with no titles or deeds to it whatsoever? You want them to have self determination?

They have titles, deeds and keys. The squatters are your buddies.

You're forever befuddled. The major land holdings in the area of Pal'istan (aside from lands set aside by the Ottomans as an Islamist waqf), were those of absentee landlords in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria.

When did the European xtian Crusaders / colonists become native inhabitants?

Maybe he thinks they were the natives who built Solomon's Temple.

Yes, their ancestors that practiced Judaism, before they converted to Christianity (then Islam) , would have built most things in the area now called Palestine, including Soloman's Temple if it really was built. Now you are starting learn. Good for you.

Isn't it interesting how most Christians & Muslims have Jewish bloodlines in their veins & arteries? Do you like gefilte fish?

Well, most Christians have no Jewish blood, being mostly European, New World people or Asian (Philippines) , but you are correct, many of the Muslims and Christians of Palestine have Jewish ancestors. Conversely, European Jews have Christian ancestors.