Israel's "Absentee Property Law"

[Billo_Really]

Do you think that he is even remotely interested in all the Jewish land taken over by the Muslims when the Jews had to leave their Middle Eastern countries? Have to tell you a good one. A friend of mine hangs out at the UN and made some friends with some Muslim women from Ethiopia. They asked her if she could help them get the land of the Ethiopian Jews who left for Israel. Do you think these women actually had any payment in mind for this land?

At least they waited until they [Ethiopian jews] left their land and didn't drive them out by bombing their farms, like jewish terrorist groups like Irgun did back in '48.

 

[Billo_Really]

If they left before the mandate ended or were from lands that became part of Israel by the ceasefire, then no they were not Israeli, but if they had family that remained they could apply for entry through reunification programs. Israel wanted family to be together.
Those from Israel could have been part of the 100,000 offered return. Blame falls on the arabs for the refugee tragedy.

Zionists declared statehood before the end of the Mandate and they did it at a time when they were only 10% of the population demanding 70% of the land.

How fucked is that?

 

[Phoenall]

Israeli land and property laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You need to read about these laws.

They were used to take away more than 1 million dunams (1,200 sq. km) of land from Arab citizens of Israel.

These were Arabs who fled their homes, towns and villages within Israel and were not allowed to return to their lands.

They became citizens of Israel but were not allowed to return to their lands in Israel.

Citizens of the State but unable to use or even occupy their land. So much for equal citizens under the law.

The total number of these people is around 274,000 or 1/4 of the total Arab Israeli population.

Hey suunni what about the same laws that are enacted in the gold old US of A. Which allow individuals to invade your home. change the locks and then file ownership at county hall. If they were citizens of Israel they would still be living in their homes, if they had left Israel and abandoned their homes then they were not citizens of Israel. Remember many who fled also took up arms against Israel so negating their right to become Israeli citizens. No different to a muslim migrating to America and then trying to blow up a school, he would be a traitor and would lose his American citizenship and be deported after serving his sentence.

All covered by your favourite piece of International law the Geneva conventions.

 

[Phoenall]

You think similar laws don't exist in the west? Land that taxes are not paid on get taken by the state. Land unclaimed beyond a certain point goes to the state.....
Land unregistered can be claimed to anyone willing to pay back taxes and bring land up to code.
Arabs that did not want to be obligated to military service under the ottoman did not register land when they had the opportunity. Arabs that could not or would not pay taxes also lost a right to land they might have claimed. Land owned by others that arabs lived on or worked was legally sold and no obligation for the new owners to allow squatters when the land could be developed and provide for more people.

but palestinians want to void all sale of land to jews, even by the church, with no hint of re-compensation for the overprices paid for the land at the time, let alone interest for over 60 yrs. on the money???? I doubt Arafat's family who sold land in Jerusalem to jews would fork over even a piaster.

Israel refused to allow Arabs reclaim land that they fleed during wartime.

Arab citizens of Israel. Israeli citizens. Israelis.

But because they were and are Muslims & Christians, their rights meant shit.

If they converted to Judaism, their rights would have automatically and magically reappeared.

And you would applaud such a disgusting policy. Shame on you.

Correct read the Geneva conventions

Wrong as they did not take up citizenship, they left willingly

LIAR it was because they did not want to fight for Israel

Not that simple, it takes years of study and hard work to convert to Judaism, unlike islam that just takes 30 seconds of repeating Arabic that you don't even understand.

Why not you applaude the same policy when it is applied by muslims on Jews and Christians, or even in the USA.

HYPOCRITE MUCH suuni man

 

[Phoenall]

Do you think that he is even remotely interested in all the Jewish land taken over by the Muslims when the Jews had to leave their Middle Eastern countries? Have to tell you a good one. A friend of mine hangs out at the UN and made some friends with some Muslim women from Ethiopia. They asked her if she could help them get the land of the Ethiopian Jews who left for Israel. Do you think these women actually had any payment in mind for this land?

Do you care at all about a Western democracy stealing land from their own citizens like this?

Please name a Muslim Western democracy that committed such a crime.

USA, UK, FRANCE, GERMANY, SPAIN, ITALY, CANADA do you want some more suuni man ?

 

[Phoenall]

no requirement to be jewish was made, only to become Israeli citizens. Any land claim could be tried in court, many were and awarded returned or compensated.
Education and medical applications for entry were also permitted to many palestinian refugees in Lebanon, as were applications from refugee in other countries. No religious limitations or stipulations were made.
You have been influenced by too much propaganda. For people outside that wanted to move to Israel and become Israelis, there was a requirement to prove judaism but that was for aliyah of the diaspora. There was a requirement of military service for aliyah. That had nothing to do with reunification programs for palestinians/arabs to return to Israel.

These people were Israeli citizens.

Why didn't Israel let them get back their land?

Do tell how they became Israeli citizens, and how they proved they were prepared to live in peace with the Jews ?

 

[Phoenall]

According to COHRE and BADIL (p. 41), the provisions in the law made sure that the term 'person' did not apply to Jews. The law also applied to Arabs who had become citizens of the State of Israel but were not in their usual place of residence as defined by the law. In this case, they were referred to as 'present absentees' and many lost their lands.

Israeli land and property laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which is just the same as in many western nations, so what is your point apart from NAZI ANTI SEMETIC JEW HATRED

 

[Phoenall]

The amusing thing is that the Palestinian have said previously that they want a government just like Israel's. I bet you that Victory could care less that his friendly Muslims once left the Saudi Peninsula and invaded the surrounding countries, forcing people to convert and killing many who refused. Now the descendents of those who were lucky even to survive the Muslim onslauht can't even practice their religion in peace.

Saudi Arabia wasn't a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, back in the 7th Century.

Nor was Israel

 

[Phoenall]

There were milliions and millions of displaced people after World War II who had to move thousands of miles from their original homes and learn a new language and culture, and they certainly do not whine like you. They happened to get on with their lives, and in many cases very successfully. There was no reason for the Arabs not to make these Palestinians citizens of their countries, except they wanted to keep them refugees as a thorn in Israel's side.

Don't change the subject. We are talking about Israel stealing land from its own citizens.

These people were Israelis. And Israel stole their land.

NO THEY WERE NOT, THEY WERE TRAITORS THAT FLED WHEN THE ARAB ARMIES TOLD THEM TOO.
They swore no official oath of allegiance other than that to islam so they were not Israeli citizens. Unless you have naturalisation papers for every single one of the 250,000 that left

 

[Phoenall]

If they left before the mandate ended or were from lands that became part of Israel by the ceasefire, then no they were not Israeli, but if they had family that remained they could apply for entry through reunification programs. Israel wanted family to be together.
Those from Israel could have been part of the 100,000 offered return. Blame falls on the arabs for the refugee tragedy.

This thread is about Arabs who lived within the borders of Israel and stayed within the borders of Israel. They never left.

They became citizens of Israel as soon as the Jews did.

But because they fled their homes, even though to another place inside Israel, they lost their lands and Israel didn't give it back.

Read the article at the start of the thread. This is about Israelis, in Israel, who stayed in Israel, who had their land stolen by the Israeli govt.

Millions of dunams of land.

They had abandoned their homes and fled rather than fight so why should they be given the same rights as a Jew who fought and was injured. Very few were left in Israel and they have been compensated for their lost land, read your own link.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you think that he is even remotely interested in all the Jewish land taken over by the Muslims when the Jews had to leave their Middle Eastern countries? Have to tell you a good one. A friend of mine hangs out at the UN and made some friends with some Muslim women from Ethiopia. They asked her if she could help them get the land of the Ethiopian Jews who left for Israel. Do you think these women actually had any payment in mind for this land?

At least they waited until they [Ethiopian jews] left their land and didn't drive them out by bombing their farms, like jewish terrorist groups like Irgun did back in '48.

There are other ways of forcing people from their property, silly things like killing all their cattle, poisoning the wells, salting the soil, abusing their children or the one much loved by the muslims in Ethiopia STARVING THEM TO DEATH

 

[Phoenall]

If they left before the mandate ended or were from lands that became part of Israel by the ceasefire, then no they were not Israeli, but if they had family that remained they could apply for entry through reunification programs. Israel wanted family to be together.
Those from Israel could have been part of the 100,000 offered return. Blame falls on the arabs for the refugee tragedy.

Zionists declared statehood before the end of the Mandate and they did it at a time when they were only 10% of the population demanding 70% of the land.

How fucked is that?

They declared statehood at the correct time which was when the mandate ended. Unless you have evidence that shows they didn't. Read 181

 

[Victory67]

I keep seeing "absentee".
Where is the paragraph which indicates that those who didn't flee lost their property?

courts have always been open to palestinian claims of actual deeds not just people living on the land. Deeds printed in Beirut by PLO in the 70's are not legal. Deeds from ottoman or mandate archives often were compensated by the court.

The Israeli govt. knows exactly how much land was stolen from Arab owners in Israel. And they know how much of this land belongs to Arab citizens that still live in Israel and never left.

Israel had no business stealing land from Arab citizens of Israel. If they stayed in Israel and never left they should not have been declared Absentee and should have been allowed immediate return to their lands.

It appears that not only are much of the settlements built on stolen land but much of the State of Israel is also built on stolen land.

If America only knew the truth.

 

[Lipush]

Yeah, yeah...The Arabs are all victims of the monster long-nosed Jews.

We get it..

 

[Victory67]

Yeah, yeah...The Arabs are all victims of the monster long-nosed Jews.

We get it..

So you're saying there are no Arabs that have been victims of Israeli wrongdoing?

Jews can do no wrong huh?

How disgusting your attitude is.

 

[Lipush]

Yeah, yeah...The Arabs are all victims of the monster long-nosed Jews.

We get it..

So you're saying there are no Arabs that have been victims of Israeli wrongdoing?

Jews can do no wrong huh?

How disgusting your attitude is.

I don't say Jews can do no wrong.

You seems to be saying that Palestinians can do no wrong.

When they suffer, blame the Israelis.

When they terrorize, also blame the Israelis.


My attitude is the mirror of yours, pal.

 

[Victory67]

I don't say Jews can do no wrong.

You seems to be saying that Palestinians can do no wrong.

When they suffer, blame the Israelis.

When they terrorize, also blame the Israelis.

My attitude is the mirror of yours, pal.

You already said that all critics of Israel are anti-Semites.

That means you think Israel can do no wrong as any criticism of Israel is motivated by hatred of Jews and not actual misdeeds of Israel.

Stop crying wolf and stop shitting on the graves of Holocaust victims.

 

[Lipush]

I don't say Jews can do no wrong.

You seems to be saying that Palestinians can do no wrong.

When they suffer, blame the Israelis.

When they terrorize, also blame the Israelis.

My attitude is the mirror of yours, pal.

You already said that all critics of Israel are anti-Semites.

That means you think Israel can do no wrong as any criticism of Israel is motivated by hatred of Jews and not actual misdeeds of Israel.

Stop crying wolf and stop shitting on the graves of Holocaust victims.

I said most, not all.

Don't twist what I've said.

 

[Victory67]

I said most, not all.

Don't twist what I've said.

Good point. Now, prove your integrity and name some critics of Israel who are not anti-Semites.

 

[Lipush]

I said most, not all.

Don't twist what I've said.

Good point. Now, prove your integrity and name some critics of Israel who are not anti-Semites.

Challenge. Ok.

I'll think this through.