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The key word here is "was".
You, Sir, are an asshole that supports Ben-Gvir, who openly called for the assassination of Rabin.
Israelis Now Bombing Rafah Designated "Safe Zone" Where Civilians Have Been Pushed
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ShahdagMountains
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So remember this, especially the next time Israel is accused of deliberately targeting journalists – or UNRWA workers, members of any other profession, or Gazans in plain clothes for that matter. Hamas don’t play fair, and their terrorists regularly hold other day jobs and otherwise pretend to be Boy Scouts.
www.israellycool.com
Mohamed Washah, The Al Jazeera Journalist Moonlighting As Hamas Terrorist
Washah's laptop was found inside the northern Gaza strip a few weeks ago, and what was found on it were things I am sure he wishes weren't.
www.israellycool.com
Posing silly questions to which there is no universally accepted answer is just another transparent evasion ploy for those who cannot defend Netanyahu's genocidal agenda.
Even though you are entirely unable to justify Netanyahu's attempt to kill as many of Gaza's civilian men, women and primarily, children as possible, there is already evidence that the Gaza genocide is one of the worst in modern times:
"Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam"
Published: 11th January 2024
Learn more
Crisis in GazaGAZA CRISIS APPEAL
"Israeli military killing 250 Palestinians per day with many more lives at risk from hunger, disease and cold"
EXCERPTS "Israel’s military is killing Palestinians at an average rate of 250 people a day which exceeds the daily death toll of any other major conflict of recent years, Oxfam said today, as the escalation of hostilities nears its 100th day.Israel’s total blockade of the Gaza Strip is restricting life-saving aid, including food, medical supplies, and water and sanitation facilities.
“On top of the already horrific death toll, many more people could die from hunger, preventable diseases, diarrhoea, and cold. The situation is particularly worrying for children, pregnant women and those with existing medical conditions." CONTINUED
There are three primary reasons that we don't know how dismal IDF's kill ratio is:
1. An egregious pro Israel bias in Western MSM omits coverage of IDF's crimes and Gaza's carnage.
2. If about 30,000 have been murdered already, it's safe to say that at least that same number of people are buried in rubble are dead from untreated wounds, disease, exposure and starvation.
3. Finally, while Hamas is still able launch rockets into Israel from Gaza, IDF is still murdering civilians and civilians with US Funded munitions at the same time even more of Palestine's native men, women and children die from starvation, exposure and disease every day due to Israel's criminal blockade.
ShahdagMountains
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You could ask the same question about the Holocaust.
First, there is absolutely no written evidence that Hitler ordered the destruction of Europe's Jews:
“To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”
- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190
Secondly, according to Jewish sources, the world's Jewish population grew over the war years.
So, I'll ask the same question:
"If they're trying to kill all of them, why are so few dead?"
"Was there Really a Holocaust?"
EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED
Just because IDF isn't killing Palestinians fast enough for you doesn't mean that Netanyahu and his henchmen aren't committing Genocide
ShahdagMountains
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Markle
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Then who killed 1,200+ Israelis on Oct. 7, 2023? Please be specific.
Has there been a war where no one on either side was killed by friendly fire?
Who said they were all struck by rockets? Why does it matter? You acknowledge there is a huge number of cars and property destroyed by the terrorist group Hamas.
Markle
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I believe we can agree that Adolph Hitler is one of the most barbaric, cruel leaders in the history of the world. That doesn't mean he was stupid. He knew better than to put in writing to murder six million+ Jews.
So few dead?
Over 1,200 were murdered in one horrific terrorist attack on Israel. A proportionate attack on our country of 330+ million people would have resulted in 48,000 fatalities.
Do you know anything about the author of that piece, Dr. E. R. Fields?
Fields was active in several white supremacist political organizations, joining the Columbians, an anti-black and anti-Semitic group, in high school, and joining J. B. Stoner's Christian Anti-Jewish Party in 1952; he later served as its Executive Director. He was also a member of the American Anti-Communist Society in 1950 and 1951.[1][2]
In 1958, Fields founded the National States' Rights Party, which advocated racial segregation and white supremacy; he served as its National Director while Stoner served as its National Chairman. Fields edited the party's newspaper, The Thunderbolt. During this time period, he frequently wrote to print publications detailing his beliefs, for instance in 1969 a letter by Fields was published in Playboy, alleging, "we will never have law and order in America until all Negroes are deported back to Africa and completely removed from this nation that was founded and built by the great white race."[1]
Fields and the National States' Rights Party in 1963 were enlisted by Alabama Gov. George Wallace and state public safety chief Albert Lingo to create pretexts that Wallace used to order closed public schools that were slated for integration and to deploy state troopers—over the objections of local authorities—in communities otherwise determined to comply with federal court orders to desegregate.[3]
On December 27, 1963 Fields was brought to the United States Secret Service's attention as a possible threat against protected individuals. This was divulged as part of the John Fitzgerald Kennedy's assassination file release by the National Archives and Records Administration in 2017. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) considered that Fields was "one step removed from being insane."[4]
In 1976, following Alabama Attorney General Bill Baxley's opening of prosecution against the bombers of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Fields wrote a letter to Baxley, referring to him as an "honorary ******" and threatening to assassinate him. Baxley responded with his own letter the following day, telling Fields, "My response to your letter of February 19, 1976, is - kiss my ass."[5]
Following J. B. Stoner's imprisonment for his involvement in the 1958 Bethel Baptist Church bombing, Fields lost the trust of many party members, largely due to his increasing activity with the Ku Klux Klan and decreasing involvement with the group, and was expelled from the party in August 1983. He continued publishing The Thunderbolt, but changed the newspaper's name to The Truth At Last. Fields founded the white supremacist America First Party in 1993, and spoke at the Populist Party's 1994 convention.[2]
Fields attended the 2001 funeral of Klansman Byron De La Beckwith, who murdered civil rights activist Medgar Evers.[6]
Edward Reed Fields - Wikipedia
Toddsterpatriot
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Hamas killed many more than 250 in one day.
Toddsterpatriot
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Posing silly questions to which there is no universally accepted answer is just another transparent evasion ploy for those who cannot defend Netanyahu's genocidal agenda.
Even though you are entirely unable to justify Netanyahu's attempt to kill as many of Gaza's civilian men, women and primarily, children as possible, there is already evidence that the Gaza genocide is one of the worst in modern times:
"Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam"
Published: 11th January 2024
Learn more
Crisis in Gaza
GAZA CRISIS APPEAL
"Israeli military killing 250 Palestinians per day with many more lives at risk from hunger, disease and cold"
EXCERPTS "Israel’s military is killing Palestinians at an average rate of 250 people a day which exceeds the daily death toll of any other major conflict of recent years, Oxfam said today, as the escalation of hostilities nears its 100th day.
Israel’s total blockade of the Gaza Strip is restricting life-saving aid, including food, medical supplies, and water and sanitation facilities.
“On top of the already horrific death toll, many more people could die from hunger, preventable diseases, diarrhoea, and cold. The situation is particularly worrying for children, pregnant women and those with existing medical conditions." CONTINUED
There are three primary reasons that we don't know how dismal IDF's kill ratio is:
1. An egregious pro Israel bias in Western MSM omits coverage of IDF's crimes and Gaza's carnage.
2. If about 30,000 have been murdered already, it's safe to say that at least that same number of people are buried in rubble are dead from untreated wounds, disease, exposure and starvation.
3. Finally, while Hamas is still able launch rockets into Israel from Gaza, IDF is still murdering civilians and civilians with US Funded munitions at the same time even more of Palestine's native men, women and children die from starvation, exposure and disease every day due to Israel's criminal blockade.
If about 30,000 have been murdered already
Killed in war doesn't equal murdered. Don't you know that?
Toddsterpatriot
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Ethical Jews around the world are condemning Netanyahu's genocide.
Do you consider them to "Liars" and "primitive thinkers" too?
“Jews Against Genocide statement and action”
Jews Against Genocide statement and action | IJAN
www.ijan.org
EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.
We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED
“A Textbook Case of Genocide”
“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”
A Textbook Case of Genocide
Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?
jewishcurrents.org
EXCERPT " “Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”
Indeed, Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza is quite explicit, open, and unashamed. Perpetrators of genocide usually do not express their intentions so clearly,
Israel’s goal is to destroy the Palestinians of Gaza. And those of us watching around the world are derelict in our responsibility to prevent them from doing so.” CONTINUED
Apparently, you've never set foot in the Middle East or studied its extensive history or else you would see how it was the invasion of Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs (1) and the subsequent genocidal Nakba that mark the earliest stages off the conflict.
Because the foreign Zionist terrorist gangs that invaded Palestine refused to recognize International Laws, their atrocities equal or exceed those of any committed by either side during WW 2. (2)
An ethical and courageous IDF Intelligence officer was among the many who condemned the atrocities and equated the Zionist terrorist gangs with the murderous Cossacks. (3)
(1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich
EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19
Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20
Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21
In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED
(2) " 9th April, 1948: 65th anniversary of Deir Yassin Massacre!"
deir yassin massacre – | truthaholics
Posts about deir yassin massacre written by truthaholics
truthaholics.wordpress.com
EXCERPT "Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of these, 25 were pregnant women who were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. Fifty-two children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, before being slain and having their heads cut off. The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops were aware the massacre was taking place, but no one attempted to intervene." CONTINUED
(3). “Testimonies From the Censored Deir Yassin Massacre: 'They Piled Bodies and Burned Them’”
Testimonies from the censored Deir Yassin massacre: 'They piled bodies and burned them'
A Young Fellow Tied to a Tree and Set on Fire. A Woman and an Old Man Shot in Back. Girls Lined Up Against a Wall and Shot With a Submachine Gun. The Testimonies Collected by Filmmaker Neta Shoshani About the Massacre in Deir Yassin Are Difficult to Process Even 70 Years After the Fact
EXCERPT “Another harsh account was provided by Prof. Mordechai Gichon, a lieutenant colonel in the Israel Defense Forces reserves, who was a Haganah intelligence officer sent to Deir Yassin when the battle ended. “To me it looked a bit like a pogrom,” said Gichon, who died about a year ago. “If you’re occupying an army position – it’s not a pogrom, even if a hundred people are killed. But if you are coming into a civilian locale and dead people are scattered around in it – then it looks like a pogrom.
When the Cossacks burst into Jewish neighborhoods, then that should have looked something like this.”
According to Gichon, “There was a feeling of considerable slaughter and it was hard for me to explain it to myself as having been done in self-defense. My impression was more of a massacre than anything else. If it is a matter of killing innocent civilians, then it can be called a massacre.” CONTINUED
I've served in combat and witnessed the human tragedies resulting from the '73 War.
The internationally condemned, one-sided Gaza genocide is not a "War".
Now, please try to name one "war" in which only one side has an Air Force, a Navy, a $ Multi-Trillion, US funded air defense system and nuclear weaponry.
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The poster has a problem with readingAs you know, that is NOT what the article you cite says.
comprehension 
Your desperation is showing when that's the best excuse you can come up with for the systematic extermination of Gaza's native residents.
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Ethical Jews around the world are condemning Netanyahu's genocide.
Do you consider them to "Liars" and "primitive thinkers" too?
“Jews Against Genocide statement and action”
Jews Against Genocide statement and action | IJAN
EXCERPT “We, Jews Against Genocide, came to Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial of the genocide committed against Jews, to honor the Palestinian children who are dying in a genocide committed by Jews.
We brought dolls to symbolise the children of Gaza, and tried to bring a glimpse of the horror that Gazan’s face, to Israel’s doorstep. We hope to show Israel, and the world, the absurd reality of using the memory of one genocide to justify another.” CONTINUED
“A Textbook Case of Genocide”
“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”
A Textbook Case of Genocide
Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?
EXCERPT " “Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”
Indeed, Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza is quite explicit, open, and unashamed. Perpetrators of genocide usually do not express their intentions so clearly,
Israel’s goal is to destroy the Palestinians of Gaza. And those of us watching around the world are derelict in our responsibility to prevent them from doing so.” CONTINUED
Apparently, you've never set foot in the Middle East or studied its extensive history or else you would see how it was the invasion of Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs (1) and the subsequent genocidal Nakba that mark the earliest stages off the conflict.
Because the foreign Zionist terrorist gangs that invaded Palestine refused to recognize International Laws, their atrocities equal or exceed those of any committed by either side during WW 2. (2)
An ethical and courageous IDF Intelligence officer was among the many who condemned the atrocities and equated the Zionist terrorist gangs with the murderous Cossacks. (3)
(1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich
EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19
Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20
Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21
In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED
(2) " 9th April, 1948: 65th anniversary of Deir Yassin Massacre!"
deir yassin massacre – | truthaholics
Posts about deir yassin massacre written by truthaholics
EXCERPT "Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of these, 25 were pregnant women who were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. Fifty-two children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, before being slain and having their heads cut off. The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops were aware the massacre was taking place, but no one attempted to intervene." CONTINUED
(3). “Testimonies From the Censored Deir Yassin Massacre: 'They Piled Bodies and Burned Them’”
Testimonies from the censored Deir Yassin massacre: 'They piled bodies and burned them'
A Young Fellow Tied to a Tree and Set on Fire. A Woman and an Old Man Shot in Back. Girls Lined Up Against a Wall and Shot With a Submachine Gun. The Testimonies Collected by Filmmaker Neta Shoshani About the Massacre in Deir Yassin Are Difficult to Process Even 70 Years After the Factwww.haaretz.com
EXCERPT “Another harsh account was provided by Prof. Mordechai Gichon, a lieutenant colonel in the Israel Defense Forces reserves, who was a Haganah intelligence officer sent to Deir Yassin when the battle ended. “To me it looked a bit like a pogrom,” said Gichon, who died about a year ago. “If you’re occupying an army position – it’s not a pogrom, even if a hundred people are killed. But if you are coming into a civilian locale and dead people are scattered around in it – then it looks like a pogrom.
When the Cossacks burst into Jewish neighborhoods, then that should have looked something like this.”
According to Gichon, “There was a feeling of considerable slaughter and it was hard for me to explain it to myself as having been done in self-defense. My impression was more of a massacre than anything else. If it is a matter of killing innocent civilians, then it can be called a massacre.” CONTINUED
Toddsterpatriot
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One side has an Air Force, a Navy, a $ Multi-Trillion, US funded air defense system and nuclear weaponry and they've killed a fraction per day of those killed on October 7th?
Pretty much the opposite of a genocide.
Toddsterpatriot
Diamond Member
I've served in combat and witnessed the human tragedies resulting from the '73 War.
Which losing Arab army were you in?
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