Israelis Now Bombing Rafah Designated "Safe Zone" Where Civilians Have Been Pushed

[Shusha]

I told you to stop being obtuse. And stop editing my text. Now you are acting like a troll.

To answer your question, the Gaza blockade punishes all 2.2 million residents of which the overwhelming majority have committed no crimes. It collectively punishes everyone in Gaza and that is a war crime and that is why the blockade is illegal.

Why do you think it is okay to someone who has committed no crime?

All blockades will have an affect on the general population. Does that mean that all blockades are illegal? Or just this one?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong! Israel attacked first by maintaining an illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza for the last 16 years. They shoot at people fishing. They shoot at people farming . They executed an American citizen on board the Mavi Marmara

WHO THE **** SHOOTS AT SOMEONE FISHING!

Imagine how many more war crimes Hamas could commit with no blockade.

They executed an American citizen on board the Mavi Marmara

He was a ****.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It does. You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. That is not a special law that applies to Israel alone. I have proven this a number of times. Israel has violated over 100 UN resolutions. That's just an indication of how fucked up your country is.

You cannot hold onto land seized in a war.

When is Germany getting back all the land seized from them after WWII?
When Is Russia giving back all the land they seized after WWII?

 

[Billo_Really]

Still at it, l see.

You’re insatiable.

This is definitely off topic, but 60 years ago today, the Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan show and the world has never been the sane! Including a beautiful country like Israel

It is a good country doing very bad things.

Besides that...

...close your eyes and I'll kiss you,
tomorrow I'll miss you...

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ally pally pals. Israel will kill Hamas fighters until they are ALL dead.

You can cry all you want, we laugh at you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

the Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan show and the world has never been the sane!

That's crazy!

 

[Billo_Really]

All blockades will have an affect on the general population. Does that mean that all blockades are illegal? Or just this one?

Why are you okay with punishing women and children who have committed no crime?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Why are you okay with punishing women and children who have committed no crime?

Good question! Why IS Hamas using them as human shields?

 

[Billo_Really]

Good question! Why IS Hamas using them as human shields?

Good question! Off the top of my head, I would say for political gain? It still doesn't make it right. Even when the Israelis do it as well. Do you know what a "Johnnie" is?

 

[shimon]

Egypt doesn't shoot at their fishermen! Egypt doesn't shoot at their farmers! Egypt didn't execute an American citizen on board the Mavi Marmara! Egypt doesn't pummel Gazans with weekly missile strikes!

Egypt is not in violation of over 100 UN resolutions! **** your, "OH, they're picking on poor Israel" bullshit! Wipe your ass with that garbage. You fuckers don't deserve a country! Israel is the villain. Israel is the bad guy. Israel is the occupier of Palestinian land.

End the occupation, let the Palestinians have freedom of movement, stop Israeli piracy in international waters and let the Palestinians live dignified lives and you will get no more rockets.

Until then, **** Israel and **** you!

Ah Billo I see you are in the sauce ( spirits) again no need for me to counter what you have posted as it has been covered many times before try not to rant to hard you might unfortunately blow a gasget at some point…

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israelis Now Bombing Rafah Designated "Safe Zone" Where Civilians Have Been Pushed
SUBTOPIC: Self-Defense
⁜→ Billo Really, et al,
You need some serious reading comprehension remedial training.

An occupying force cannot claim self defense. The Palestinians have every right in the world to resist the occupation of their homeland.

You are a sick puppy trying to defend Israeli atrocities. And yes, if you are in violation of the UN Charter, it doesn't matter if the resolution is binding or not. You are trying to argue semantics and I don't appreciate it!

(COMMENT)

I simply cannot figure out where you pick up these entirely erroneous notions.

Article 68 of the Fourth Geneva Convention is all about prosecuting the Arab Palestinians for actions that intend to harm the Israelis. Hear, let me give you a copy...

GENEVA CONVENTIONS OF 1949,
ADDITIONAL PROTOCOLS AND THEIR COMMENTARIES​

Article 68 - Penal legislation. V. Penalties. Death penalty​

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 and 65 may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.

The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.

In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.
SOURCE: Article 68 GCIV

The "Protected Persons" would be the Arab Palestinians • while the Occupying Power would be the Israelis. Technical notes include:

• The State of Israel has no policy of deliberately targeting civilians or civilian property without a clear military objective.
• The Hostile Araab Palestinians (HoAP) can be both criminally prosecuted and dealt with militarily for the indiscriminate attacks on the State of Israel.
• The HoAP [Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) (all four of which are designated terrorist organizations)] See Annex Part II, GROUPS AND ENTITIES, COUNCIL DECISION (CFSP) 2022/152 of 3 February 2022 Official Journal of the European Union.

Also see: 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.
Emphasis on:

• 1999 International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism
• 1997 International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings
• 1979 International Convention against the Taking of Hostages

Article 51 • Chapter VII: Action with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace, and Acts of Aggression • United Nations Charter​

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.​

((∑ Ω))

NOW • When I make a broad statement, I back it up with the appropriate citations.

Where are your citations that are binding and prohibit the State of Israel in a "Right of Self-Defense" against an aggressor that has a consistent history of past criminal behaviors?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Grau]

The UN has been a joke for decades, Billo! Especially when it comes to Israel. Why the US thinks it needs to fund the vast majority of the UN's costs escapes me.

Israel is a worthless piece of shit country? Look at what they've done with their little piece of the Middle East and then compare that to what the Palestinians have done with Gaza. Who's the worthless pieces of shit?

I don't believe that it's accurate to state that foreign Zionist terrorist gangs and their followers are responsible for the beautification of Israel when Zionist occupiers have destroyed 800,000 olive trees since 1967.

It was the pre and post WW 2 Germans who built Israel's initial infrastructure(1) and "made the desert bloom" while Zionist terrorist gangs were busily butchering Palestine's native residents and destroying villages, farms and shops.

Even pre WW 2 Germany's National Socialists (Nazis) worked closely with the German Zionist Federation to train and arm Jews for life in Palestine.(2)

Additionally, where do you think Israel would be if not for the ability of its parasitic lobbies to extort $ Trillions from working Americans (3) and $ Billions from Germany in fraudulent Holocaust reparations (4), (5).

Do you really think that the Israelis would be any more prosperous than the Palestinians without being the most heavily subsidized nation / Welfare State in the world?

Thanks,




(1). “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED



(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED



(3). "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

By Thomas R. Stauffer
EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED

(4). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(5). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million | The Jerusalem Post

For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED

 

[ShahdagMountains]

^
Fire and brimstone.

 

[Oldestyle]

It does. You cannot hold onto land seized in a war. That is not a special law that applies to Israel alone. I have proven this a number of times. Israel has violated over 100 UN resolutions. That's just an indication of how fucked up your country is.

You for some reason think that the UN sets international law, Billo. Where on earth did you get that idea?

I don't believe that it's accurate to state that foreign Zionist terrorist gangs and their followers are responsible for the beautification of Israel when Zionist occupiers have destroyed 800,000 olive trees since 1967.

It was the pre and post WW 2 Germans who built Israel's initial infrastructure(1) and "made the desert bloom" while Zionist terrorist gangs were busily butchering Palestine's native residents and destroying villages, farms and shops.

Even pre WW 2 Germany's National Socialists (Nazis) worked closely with the German Zionist Federation to train and arm Jews for life in Palestine.(2)

Additionally, where do you think Israel would be if not for the ability of its parasitic lobbies to extort $ Trillions from working Americans (3) and $ Billions from Germany in fraudulent Holocaust reparations (4), (5).

Do you really think that the Israelis would be any more prosperous than the Palestinians without being the most heavily subsidized nation / Welfare State in the world?

Thanks,




(1). “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED



(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED



(3). "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

By Thomas R. Stauffer
EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED

(4). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(5). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million | The Jerusalem Post

For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED

You're an idiot! I can't believe anyone believes the crap you just posted. Are you really that clueless?

 

[TheParser]

(1) Hear tell Israel is preparing to "evacuate" 1,000,000 people in southern Gaza.

(2) Where will they go?

a. Are they expected to return to northern Gaza, whose infrastructure has been destroyed?
b. If Egypt had a heart, it would let those million Gazans enter, but Egypt knows they would never want to return to Gaza.

(3) Let's not use emotionally charged words like "genocide" against Israel.

(4) And the Israelis should not compare the deaths of 10,000 or 20,000 deaths of Gazan civilians (including many children) to the German civilians who were killed by the Allies during World War II.

(5) Sadly, the Democrats and the Republicans in Congress and in the Oval Office hate each other so much that they are unable to send a united message to Israel: STOP THIS MADNESS NOW.

 

[Sixties Fan]

(1) Hear tell Israel is preparing to "evacuate" 1,000,000 people in southern Gaza.

(2) Where will they go?

a. Are they expected to return to northern Gaza, whose infrastructure has been destroyed?
b. If Egypt had a heart, it would let those million Gazans enter, but Egypt knows they would never want to return to Gaza.

(3) Let's not use emotionally charged words like "genocide" against Israel.

(4) And the Israelis should not compare the deaths of 10,000 or 20,000 deaths of Gazan civilians (including many children) to the German civilians who were killed by the Allies during World War II.

(5) Sadly, the Democrats and the Republicans in Congress and in the Oval Office hate each other so much that they are unable to send a united message to Israel: STOP THIS MADNESS NOW.

Why does the message needs to be to Israel to stop the war now?

Hamas needs to free the hostages and surrender. It is that simple. Hamas started it, Hamas has the power to stop it.

But Hamas does not care for the population and thinks it can come out on top as before.

This war will go to its conclusion, like the Russian/Ukraine one, like any other.

And no, it is not a matter of Republicans and Democrats hating each other, not really. It is about the Republicans listening to Trump and wanting to gain points.

Democrats want to pass bills, Republicans do not. This is the least productive Republican House since.....ever.

Israel is doing what it has to do, and will continue to do so with few as civilian deaths as long as Hamas does not use civilians as human shields.

 

[Grau]

You for some reason think that the UN sets international law, Billo. Where on earth did you get that idea?

You're an idiot! I can't believe anyone believes the crap you just posted. Are you really that clueless?

That's the best you can do.....puerile and simple minded insults?

I've been able to support everything I wrote so, apparently, you're the one who's clueless.

Just because you're too ignorant and narrow minded to think beyond what pro Israel MSM(1) pours into you pin head doesn't mean everyone is.




(1). “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/09/01/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-media-coverage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.WMLm5mafK_U

EXCERPT “Why does TV news look like a Netanyahu ad?” asked Chris McGreal of The Guardian on July 31, in his article on the “notoriously pro-Israel mainstream media in the U.S.” CONTINUED

 

[Sixties Fan]

That's the best you can do.....puerile and simple minded insults?

I've been able to support everything I wrote so, apparently, you're the one who's clueless.

Just because you're too ignorant and narrow minded to think beyond what pro Israel MSM(1) pours into you pin head doesn't mean everyone is.




(1). “U.S. media coverage reveals a pro-Israel bias”
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/09/01/commentary/world-commentary/u-s-media-coverage-reveals-a-pro-israel-bias/#.WMLm5mafK_U

EXCERPT “Why does TV news look like a Netanyahu ad?” asked Chris McGreal of The Guardian on July 31, in his article on the “notoriously pro-Israel mainstream media in the U.S.” CONTINUED

Question:

Do you want the US, or any other country to show a pro Hamas bias?

Hamas which butchered, raped, burned 1200 people in Israel before kidnapping, raping, starving, killing many of its hostages?

Do you really think that the world should be pro Hamas as so many BDS and Anti Israel taught Muslims, Christians and others around the world show what they have learned by protesting Israel, and only Israel while Russia continues its attack on Ukraine, and so many other unwanted wars continue on the planet?

Sudan, Syria, Turkey, Muslims in China, etc etc.

None of the above has claimed attention from the press around the world.


But Israel defends itself and is on a mission to put an end to terrorists in Gaza.........Tragedy !!!! It cannot be!!!!! etc, etc.


One anti Israel opinion from an anti Israel person in Israel does not make Israel the bad guy. Nor any other anti Israel opinion.....Anywhere around the world will stop Israel from putting an end to the terrorists called Hamas, Islamic Jihad and others.


Free Gaza from Hamas!!!!!


Which is exactly what Israel is succeeding in doing.

 

[Billo_Really]

RE: Israelis Now Bombing Rafah Designated "Safe Zone" Where Civilians Have Been Pushed
SUBTOPIC: Self-Defense
⁜→ Billo Really, et al,
You need some serious reading comprehension remedial training.

(COMMENT)

I simply cannot figure out where you pick up these entirely erroneous notions.

Article 68 of the Fourth Geneva Convention is all about prosecuting the Arab Palestinians for actions that intend to harm the Israelis. Hear, let me give you a copy...

GENEVA CONVENTIONS OF 1949,
ADDITIONAL PROTOCOLS AND THEIR COMMENTARIES​

The "Protected Persons" would be the Arab Palestinians • while the Occupying Power would be the Israelis. Technical notes include:

• The State of Israel has no policy of deliberately targeting civilians or civilian property without a clear military objective.
• The Hostile Araab Palestinians (HoAP) can be both criminally prosecuted and dealt with militarily for the indiscriminate attacks on the State of Israel.
• The HoAP [Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) (all four of which are designated terrorist organizations)] See Annex Part II, GROUPS AND ENTITIES, COUNCIL DECISION (CFSP) 2022/152 of 3 February 2022 Official Journal of the European Union.

Also see: 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts.
Emphasis on:

• 1999 International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism
• 1997 International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings
• 1979 International Convention against the Taking of Hostages

Article 51 • Chapter VII: Action with Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace, and Acts of Aggression • United Nations Charter​

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.​

((∑ Ω))

NOW • When I make a broad statement, I back it up with the appropriate citations.

View attachment 899947 Where are your citations that are binding and prohibit the State of Israel in a "Right of Self-Defense" against an aggressor that has a consistent history of past criminal behaviors?

Most Respectfully,
R

Again, an occupying force cannot claim self defense. And judging from your citations, you agree Israel is an "occupying power".

Now, your comment about Israel not targeting protected persons, is bullshit. If Israel was not targeting protected persons, there would not be 30,000 dead in Gaza. Israeli policy is to kill everyone in Gaza. Including Israeli hostages.

 

[Billo_Really]

You for some reason think that the UN sets international law, Billo. Where on earth did you get that idea?

You're an idiot! I can't believe anyone believes the crap you just posted. Are you really that clueless?

Israel is a member state to the UN and are duty bound to honor the UN Charter. Why belong to an organization if you will not follow their rules?