Israeli Police shoot un-armed 18 year old Girl

[Hollie]

You don't know about the Uganda Scheme?

It's not in the Zionist re-write of history, neither is the other Jewish homeland:

Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Given that 40% of Jewish people reside in America, it makes you wonder how many "homelands" Zionists want?

Stalin did it, now it's only 4,000 people in one city and a village.
Nothing to do with a Jewish homeland.

but You can say so about any foreign citizen and especially the arab-msulim refugees.

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

 

[Phoenall]

You don't know about the Uganda Scheme?

It's not in the Zionist re-write of history, neither is the other Jewish homeland:

Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Given that 40% of Jewish people reside in America, it makes you wonder how many "homelands" Zionists want?

Stalin did it, now it's only 4,000 people in one city and a village.
Nothing to do with a Jewish homeland.

but You can say so about any foreign citizen and especially the arab-msulim refugees.

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

As long as they gave up their religion and culture and became Marxists, as your cut and paste stated

 

[Phoenall]

Oh Yes it is!

No more so than say the nation of Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon. America, France, Germany et al

 

[Humanity]

..He only supported it to fail it and get the British to recognize Zionism.

 

[Humanity]

Zionist has only one meaning and that is someone who believes the Jews have the right to a homeland in the M.E

The founding father of Zionism himself actively promoted a "Jewish Homeland" NOT in the ME.

Who made that up?

You don't know about the Uganda Scheme?

Ah, sounds like arab agitpropsters made that up, indeed.

So you don't then...

And there was me thinking you were educated with your "drivel'... LOL

 

[Humanity]

No it isn't. In the UK the use of lethal forced must be authorised by a senior officer and then the task is carried out by a specialist armed response unit. Please explain how standing still, refusing to remove your veil turning around and walking away is forcing the IDF to shoot you? Police have pepper spray, tasers and batons, to use against knife wielding attackers and are fully trained to deal with such situations (at least they are here). There was no justification to shoot the girl, even less to let her bleed to death while Zionist medical professionals looked on and smirked for the cameras.

Untrue. Police officers in the UK are absolutely authorized to defend themselves. Furthermore the common belief that the Bobby is unarmed is no longer true. They have the choice to be armed if they wish. How is it possible you don't know this?

Where did I say they weren't allowed to defend themselves? They CANNOT use lethal force without having gain prior authorisation to do so, and then ONLY specialist firearms officers can apply that lethal force if they judge it absolutely necessary. This is how our police deal with attackers:

30 UK Police vs man armed with machete in the street.

Didn't that Muslim animal decapitate a British military officer in public on the streets of London with "just a knife" not too long ago?

Actually the poor man was an enlisted soldier and the scum used a meat cleaver.

It took two of them being the cowards they are, and first they ran him down using a car. The people wanted a memorial but the neo Marxist do gooders refused to allow one in case in " inflamed racial tensions"

Really?

Lee Rigby memorial goes on display in Middleton - BBC News

 

[Humanity]

History proves otherwise. Stop fangering yourself.

 

[Humanity]

It's not in the Zionist re-write of history, neither is the other Jewish homeland:

Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Given that 40% of Jewish people reside in America, it makes you wonder how many "homelands" Zionists want?

Stalin did it, now it's only 4,000 people in one city and a village.
Nothing to do with a Jewish homeland.

but You can say so about any foreign citizen and especially the arab-msulim refugees.

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

How about some links to support you anti-Islamic outbursts?

 

[Humanity]

Oh Yes it is!

No more so than say the nation of Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon. America, France, Germany et al

Exactly....

Just man-made borders and boundaries...

All invaded/stolen lands from the indigenous peoples by invaders!

Touche Phoney!

 

[Hollie]

Stalin did it, now it's only 4,000 people in one city and a village.
Nothing to do with a Jewish homeland.

but You can say so about any foreign citizen and especially the arab-msulim refugees.

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

How about some links to support you anti-Islamic outbursts?

How about you do your homework.

Perform a search using the term "dhimmi". Report back to us what you find. Or, because you're a laggard and a layabout, I can give you the information you're ignorant of.

 

[docmauser1]

Zionist has only one meaning and that is someone who believes the Jews have the right to a homeland in the M.E

The founding father of Zionism himself actively promoted a "Jewish Homeland" NOT in the ME.

Who made that up?

You don't know about the Uganda Scheme?

Ah, sounds like arab agitpropsters made that up, indeed.

So you don't then... And there was me thinking you were educated with your "drivel'... LOL

Arab agitprop and thinking don't mix, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

All invaded/stolen lands from the indigenous peoples by invaders!

Palistanians should've had some in the first place to claim it stolen, invaded, etc., of course.

 

[Phoenall]

..He only supported it to fail it and get the British to recognize Zionism.

Google is your friend

 

[Phoenall]

Stalin did it, now it's only 4,000 people in one city and a village.
Nothing to do with a Jewish homeland.

but You can say so about any foreign citizen and especially the arab-msulim refugees.

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

How about some links to support you anti-Islamic outbursts?

How about you google the koran and read it for yourself, then look at the evidence from around the world that is freely available on google showing this to be the case.

 

[Phoenall]

Oh Yes it is!

No more so than say the nation of Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon. America, France, Germany et al

Exactly....

Just man-made borders and boundaries...

All invaded/stolen lands from the indigenous peoples by invaders!

Touche Phoney!

Yes and the majority just happen to islamic invasions, but nice of you to admit that the arab muslims are illegal immigrants in Palestine and have no legal right to be there.

 

[Humanity]

..He only supported it to fail it and get the British to recognize Zionism.

Google is your friend

Ah look, answering on behalf of his little mate... Sweet...

And.

Yes it certainly is...

Especially when it DOESN"T support anything that YOU say!

 

[Humanity]

Oh Yes it is!

No more so than say the nation of Palestine, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon. America, France, Germany et al

Exactly....

Just man-made borders and boundaries...

All invaded/stolen lands from the indigenous peoples by invaders!

Touche Phoney!

Yes and the majority just happen to islamic invasions, but nice of you to admit that the arab muslims are illegal immigrants in Palestine and have no legal right to be there.

They have more right to be there than European Jews.

 

[Challenger]

It's not in the Zionist re-write of history, neither is the other Jewish homeland:

Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Given that 40% of Jewish people reside in America, it makes you wonder how many "homelands" Zionists want?

Stalin did it, now it's only 4,000 people in one city and a village.
Nothing to do with a Jewish homeland.

but You can say so about any foreign citizen and especially the arab-msulim refugees.

"According to Joseph Stalin's national policy, each of the national groups that formed the Soviet Union would receive a territory in which to pursue cultural autonomy in a socialist framework. In that sense, it also responded to two supposed threats to the Soviet state:

Judaism, which ran counter to official state policy of atheism
Zionism — the advocacy of a Jewish national state in Palestine — which countered Soviet views of nationalism.

The Soviets envisaged setting up a new "Soviet Zion", where a proletarian Jewish culture could be developed. Yiddish, rather than Hebrew, would be the national language, and literature and the arts would replace religion as the primary expression of culture.

Stalin's theory on the National Question regarded a group as a nation only if it had a territory, and since there was no Jewish territory, per se, the Jews were not a nation and did not have national rights. Jewish Communists argued that the way to solve this ideological dilemma was by creating a Jewish territory, hence the ideological motivation for the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Politically, it was also considered desirable to create a Soviet Jewish homeland as an ideological alternative to Zionism and the theory put forward by Socialist Zionists such as Ber Borochov that the Jewish Question could be resolved by creating a Jewish territory in Palestine. Thus Birobidzhan was important for propaganda purposes as an argument against Zionism which was a rival ideology to Marxism among left-wing Jews." Jewish Autonomous Oblast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe so, but it was still a valid "homeland". Just think, if those millions of Jewish Poles and Byelorussians had moved there before June 1941, they'd all be alive and well now and there'd be no need to colonise Palestine.

You forgot to ask the people themselves if they considered it 'valid' at all in a state that persecuted Jews for celebrating their holidays.

And You of course conveniently forget the Arab pogroms and the Jewish mass exodus from those countries as well.

They'd have been able to celebrate their holidays just fine in their own Oblast, as the extract says.

Well the survivors of WW2 wanted to go anywhere but Palestine, their country of choice was America, but President Truman, at Zionist urging, wouldn't let them in.

I've not forgotten anything. What happened with the Jewish populations in the Muslim world was as a direct result of Zionist ethic cleansing, along with a few clandestine Zionist operations designed to frighten Jewish populations in Muslim countries into leaving, but that wasn't at all relevant so I never mentioned it.

History shows that you are just belching taqiyya. Revulsion for Jews and Christians is a central theme in muhammedan doctrine.

If you study islam’s history of war, conquest, rapine and colonialism, you will find that islamism only coexisted with other religions / cultures when those were subordinate to Islamism.

Islamic doctrine entails the striving in the way of muhammud (swish), and the politico-religious ideology he invented and incorporating an armed and violent conflict against the infidel so as to establish muhammuds religion everywhere, as well as a spiritual conflict, within ones self — a holy, central and an obligatory duty in Islamic doctrine. The core precept of Islamic dogma is to make muhammud's (swish) religion reign supreme over all men, and the fact is, that just won't happen peacefully.

Islam has never taught equality as it relates to moslems and non-moslems. At no time in islamist history have Muhammedans equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, you should understand the dhimmi status.

Firstly, you have no idea what Taqiyya is, nor of its roots in Judaism. Secondly, had you studied Islamic history, you would discover that the overwhelming majority of Muslims today are the descendants of voluntary converts brought about by Islamic missionaries rather than by force and conquest. Islam spread over centuries via trade routes, like most ideas. Thirdly you continually deliberately confuse and conflate Islam with Radical Islamism. Lastly every monotheistic religion preaches its own supremacy compared to others, be it Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.

All in all, this is just another hollow Islamophobic rant from Hollie.

Taqiya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic missionary activity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..and a rare, reasonably accurate, article from Daniel Pipes

Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism.

and lastly,

Religion 101: "My God is Bigger/Better than Yours!"

 

[Challenger]

History proves otherwise. Stop fangering yourself.

Archaeology proves otherwise, "history" based on Bible/Torah stories, is myth.

 

[Challenger]

Oh Yes it is!

I was tempted, but resisted.