Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15

[Shusha]

This morning on Twitter:

Palestinians demand "return" not because of Gaza crisis. Crisis is outcome of demand for "return". As long as 80% of Gaza's residents, almost all of whom were born in Gaza, will view Gaza as a temporary place until they "take back" Israel, they will never build their future there. -- Einat Wilf.

 

[Humanity]

It is Arabs-Moslems who are instigating hostilities.

And the Palestinian who was shot BEFORE the march whilst working on his land?

Ah, the IDF didn't like the way he was digging I guess!

 

[Hollie]

It is Arabs-Moslems who are instigating hostilities.

And the Palestinian who was shot BEFORE the march whilst working on his land?

Ah, the IDF didn't like the way he was digging I guess!

Whilst you have personal knowledge of the facts surrounding that event, please share those facts.

 

[Shusha]

It is Arabs-Moslems who are instigating hostilities.

And the Palestinian who was shot BEFORE the march whilst working on his land?

Ah, the IDF didn't like the way he was digging I guess!

No, the IDF did not like the way he was digging with his accomplice UNDER the fence.

Tell me, why would a farmer be digging UNDER a fence?

 

[RoccoR]

Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

I actually like this exchange.

The Palestinians lost a war in 1948?

The Arab Palestinians started (and lost) a civil war against the Jewish Palestinians. Not just once in 1948, but continuously since. And yet they keep trying to make war against the Jewish Palestinians (now called Israelis).

And since they've finally realized that standard warfare is likely to continue to have the same result for the foreseeable future and since key Arab neighbors have made peace with Israel, the Arab Palestinians are stuck with a propaganda war where they ride a delicate balance of committing violence and demonizing Israel as being responsible for that violence.

Thus they waste $15 million and a couple dozen lives on a propaganda "March" that gets them exactly nowhere. And, in fact, only exposes them.

No link, huh?

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Technically, the Arab Palestine did not exist in the sense of a competent government. Therefore, technically, they cannot be considered defeated.

Hmmm.

I guess that since Arab Palestinian did not risk anything, they did not "lose" anything,

Hmmm

Clearly, Israel has effective control. Clearly, the Arab Palestinians did not lose anything. So, why are the Arab Palestinians trying to cross into Israel? Surely it is NOT to reclaim something they did not lose in the first place...

Most Respectfully,
R

Clearly, Israel has effective control.

Effective control is a term used to define an occupation.
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Well, effective control is an element of occupation, but it is also something that is necessary to establish sovereignty. IF a country "A" cannot establish effective control (ie country "B" has control) THEN country "A" cannot be a sovereign; the "supreme power or authority" over that territory.

Clearly, the Arab Palestinians did not lose anything.

750,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes and their land stolen did not lose anything?
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You cannot have it both ways.

You cannot challenge the statement that the Arab Palestinians lost territory; then turn around and say their homes and land were stolen (ie the Israelis established effective control over the territory).

So, why are the Arab Palestinians trying to cross into Israel?

There is no "into Israel." Israel has no borders. Where would into Israel be?

Rocco, you are a hoot.

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Again, you are trying to have it your way.

As far as the West Bank and Gaza Strip are concerned, the international border is established by treaty. If there is a HOOT here, it is you.

There are three sets of documents that contain the Internationally recognized boundary. You may choose to ignore them, but each is on file with the UN.

Egypt-Israel peace treaty (26 March 1979)

The Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994)

A/54/914 S/2000/564 12 June 2000
Paragraph 13 of the report states that “the international boundary between Israel and Lebanon was established pursuant to the 1923 Agreement between France and Great Britain ...”, that “this line was reaffirmed in the Israeli-Lebanese General Armistice Agreement signed on 23 March 1949” and that “subsequently there were several modifications mutually agreed by Israel and Lebanon”​

The border with Syria is complicated; currently, the established border is bounded by the Israeli annexation.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[cnelsen]

When are Christians going to get over worshipping Jews, they do not think much of Christians.

The Jew Hater speaks again. There have been plenty of threads about Christian Anti Semitism going on for over 2000 years and she ignores them all

Let's see....Jews murdered the first Christian, and it's Christians with the history of hatred?

Please. Jesus was not murdered, so either learn or shut-up.

Right. Murdered isn't quite the word. Jesus was lynched.

Some say he wasn't. He sailed over to the South of France with his family.

Have you read that story?

No, first I heard that.

 

[cnelsen]

Let's see....Jews murdered the first Christian, and it's Christians with the history of hatred?

Who wasn’t expecting to die.
And yet, without dying, your religion wouldn’t exist.

The sacrificial reading of the New Testament is an unfortunate holdover from the barbarism of Judaism. I don't subscribe to the idea that a real God would demand the shedding of innocent blood. "Sacrifice" is as ignorant and primitive an idea as the absurdity that any real God would have a "chosen people".

Please explain the barbarism of Judaism.
It is virtually impossible in Jewish law to find someone guilty of a capital crime.
I understand you do not know the complexities of Jewish law and arriving at a guilty verdict.
In the meantime, the RCC was using the Roman Empire to murder at will.
So much for Catholicism being the religion of love.

I would be happy to engage you in debate over whether the sacrifice of an innocent played a role in the development of Judaic law, but you are not an honest debater. You don't have the strength of character to grant a debate opponent a point earned, as I've learned.

Which innocent?
I have no clue as to who you are referring.

We could start with the appalling story of Abraham willing to sacrifice his son to please "god".

 

[Weatherman2020]

No mystery why the world focuses on that tiny strip of sand.
Gods chosen people live there.

I've been in the West Bank, you?

When are Christians going to get over worshipping Jews, they do not think much of Christians.

The Jew Hater speaks again. There have been plenty of threads about Christian Anti Semitism going on for over 2000 years and she ignores them all

Let's see....Jews murdered the first Christian, and it's Christians with the history of hatred?

Please. Jesus was not murdered, so either learn or shut-up.

Right. Murdered isn't quite the word. Jesus was lynched.

Mathew 26 52-54

And if you don't understand that, then:
Mathew 7:21-23

 

[Indeependent]

Who wasn’t expecting to die.
And yet, without dying, your religion wouldn’t exist.

The sacrificial reading of the New Testament is an unfortunate holdover from the barbarism of Judaism. I don't subscribe to the idea that a real God would demand the shedding of innocent blood. "Sacrifice" is as ignorant and primitive an idea as the absurdity that any real God would have a "chosen people".

Please explain the barbarism of Judaism.
It is virtually impossible in Jewish law to find someone guilty of a capital crime.
I understand you do not know the complexities of Jewish law and arriving at a guilty verdict.
In the meantime, the RCC was using the Roman Empire to murder at will.
So much for Catholicism being the religion of love.

I would be happy to engage you in debate over whether the sacrifice of an innocent played a role in the development of Judaic law, but you are not an honest debater. You don't have the strength of character to grant a debate opponent a point earned, as I've learned.

Which innocent?
I have no clue as to who you are referring.

We could start with the appalling story of Abraham willing to sacrifice his son to please "god".

You mean God, the creator and sustainer of existence, asking a 100+ year old Avraham to offer his healthy 37 year old son as a sacrifice and his 37 year old son, who believes in God and is a prophet, goes along with God’s request?
Yeah, we can discuss that.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Who wasn’t expecting to die.
And yet, without dying, your religion wouldn’t exist.

The sacrificial reading of the New Testament is an unfortunate holdover from the barbarism of Judaism. I don't subscribe to the idea that a real God would demand the shedding of innocent blood. "Sacrifice" is as ignorant and primitive an idea as the absurdity that any real God would have a "chosen people".

Please explain the barbarism of Judaism.
It is virtually impossible in Jewish law to find someone guilty of a capital crime.
I understand you do not know the complexities of Jewish law and arriving at a guilty verdict.
In the meantime, the RCC was using the Roman Empire to murder at will.
So much for Catholicism being the religion of love.

I would be happy to engage you in debate over whether the sacrifice of an innocent played a role in the development of Judaic law, but you are not an honest debater. You don't have the strength of character to grant a debate opponent a point earned, as I've learned.

Which innocent?
I have no clue as to who you are referring.

We could start with the appalling story of Abraham willing to sacrifice his son to please "god".

Obviously a poser troll.

You atheist freak haters are hilarious.

 

[Weatherman2020]

It is Arabs-Moslems who are instigating hostilities.

And the Palestinian who was shot BEFORE the march whilst working on his land?

Ah, the IDF didn't like the way he was digging I guess!

Yeah, poor farmer was simply digging under a fence to get to the property next door. The nation of Israel.

 

[Humanity]

It is Arabs-Moslems who are instigating hostilities.

And the Palestinian who was shot BEFORE the march whilst working on his land?

Ah, the IDF didn't like the way he was digging I guess!

No, the IDF did not like the way he was digging with his accomplice UNDER the fence.

Tell me, why would a farmer be digging UNDER a fence?

You have evidence of this?

 

[Humanity]

It is Arabs-Moslems who are instigating hostilities.

And the Palestinian who was shot BEFORE the march whilst working on his land?

Ah, the IDF didn't like the way he was digging I guess!

Whilst you have personal knowledge of the facts surrounding that event, please share those facts.

Already done... Check back through previous comments.

 

[Hollie]

It is Arabs-Moslems who are instigating hostilities.

And the Palestinian who was shot BEFORE the march whilst working on his land?

Ah, the IDF didn't like the way he was digging I guess!

Whilst you have personal knowledge of the facts surrounding that event, please share those facts.

Already done... Check back through previous comments.

I checked back through the thread. Posts 33, 53, 60 and 142 are attributed to you. I found no presentation of facts or verifiable data was offered.

What facts can you share?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Again for all the pal lovers in this thread, the dead MEN all were using slingshots and throwing firebombs both weapons of war. They were not innocent of anything.

 

[Shusha]

It is Arabs-Moslems who are instigating hostilities.

And the Palestinian who was shot BEFORE the march whilst working on his land?

Ah, the IDF didn't like the way he was digging I guess!

No, the IDF did not like the way he was digging with his accomplice UNDER the fence.

Tell me, why would a farmer be digging UNDER a fence?

You have evidence of this?

The army said that the “two suspects approached the perimeter fence… and engaged in suspicious behavior on the ground alongside it. In response, an IDF unit fired at them with a tank.” Source

Now. Where is your condemnation of the acts of violence committed by Gaza?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Attacks! Certainly, that is one point of view; not necessarily

Technically, the Arab Palestine did not exist in the sense of a competent government. Therefore, technically, they cannot be considered defeated.

Indeed, but Israel's attacks on the Palestinians continue.

(COMMENT)

The views held by the Arab Palestinians, and some members of the Arab Military Coalition, are a product of revisionist influence.

I'm having some difficulty looking for a military engagement by the Israeli Defense Force (post 15 May 48) which does not fall under Article 2(4) -&- Article 51... It is not Israel using threats or force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the Arab Palestinians,

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

“the international boundary between Israel and Lebanon was established pursuant to the 1923 Agreement between France and Great Britain ...”,

Uhhhh, there was no Israel in 1923.

 

[PredFan]

Nice people those Israeli Jews.

Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15

Good.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Israeli forces shoot unarmed protesters from across Gaza security fence, killing at least 15
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Attacks! Certainly, that is one point of view; not necessarily

Technically, the Arab Palestine did not exist in the sense of a competent government. Therefore, technically, they cannot be considered defeated.

Indeed, but Israel's attacks on the Palestinians continue.

(COMMENT)

The views held by the Arab Palestinians, and some members of the Arab Military Coalition, are a product of revisionist influence.

I'm having some difficulty looking for a military engagement by the Israeli Defense Force (post 15 May 48) which does not fall under Article 2(4) -&- Article 51... It is not Israel using threats or force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the Arab Palestinians,

Most Respectfully,
R

Who attacked whom?