Israel strikes Hamas and Hezbollah targets

[Grumblenuts]

A Genocide Tax

Listen now (80 mins) | Ralph welcomes Craig Mokhiber, who just resigned his post as the director in the New York Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights for the United Nations over the UN response to the bombing of Gaza. Then, we are joined by CODEPINK peace activist, Medea Benjamin...

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[beagle9]

Looks like they will begin clearing Gaza City this weekend ( their timetable is hastened by Xiden’s evaporating support for Israel )

Biden caving is no surprise, just look at his base, and think to yourself why it's been so extremely out of character for Biden and crew to hold on as long as they have. The lies and sidestepping was getting so transparent that it's simply embarrassing for this country.

 

[Hollie]

Well these guys are not running, lets see how those IDF child killers go on when it's

More like closet Nazi

Your heroes aren’t running? They were quite your heroes when they were beheading children. Now that the IDF is responding, your heroes are hiding underground and trying to escape in ambulances.

How strange that your heroes had a pattern of parading around in silly fashion shows where they wore military uniforms. Now they’re hiding underground like moles and attempting to flee, hiding among civilians.

 

[Hollie]

Video likely shows Gaza civilians shot by Hamas as they were trying to evacuate to safety

Disturbing footage shows northern Gaza street strewn with bodies of Palestinians, allegedly gunned down by Hamas snipers; 'They want to use them as human shields and will kill anyone who attempts to leave,' journalist claims

www.ynetnews.com

 

[Deadstick]

Your heroes aren’t running? They were quite your heroes when they were beheading children. Now that the IDF is responding, your heroes are hiding underground and trying to escape in ambulances.

How strange that your heroes had a pattern of parading around in silly fashion shows where they wore military uniforms. Now they’re hiding underground like moles and attempting to flee, hiding among civilians.

They are not my heroes, i am just telling you what i see,and you are still at it with those beheading stories.

 

[Deadstick]

Video likely shows Gaza civilians shot by Hamas as they were trying to evacuate to safety

Disturbing footage shows northern Gaza street strewn with bodies of Palestinians, allegedly gunned down by Hamas snipers; 'They want to use them as human shields and will kill anyone who attempts to leave,' journalist claims

www.ynetnews.com

Yet another zionisst lie, they were shelled by the Israelis and some shot.

 

[Hollie]

Video likely shows Gaza civilians shot by Hamas as they were trying to evacuate to safety

Disturbing footage shows northern Gaza street strewn with bodies of Palestinians, allegedly gunned down by Hamas snipers; 'They want to use them as human shields and will kill anyone who attempts to leave,' journalist claims

www.ynetnews.com

Yet another zionisst lie, they were shelled by the Israelis and some shot.

Yet more Islamic taqiyah.


Your “…. because I say so”, attempt at argument is not real convincing.

Your heroes have told the people of Gaza’istan not to leave.

Hamas tells Gaza residents to stay put as Israel ground offensive looms

Mosques broadcast messages telling Gaza Strip residents to stay put on Friday, in defiance of an Israeli military call for more than a million civilians to move south within 24 hours in the build-up to its expected ground offensive.

www.reuters.com

Oct 13 (Reuters) - Mosques broadcast messages telling Gaza Strip residents to stay put on Friday, in defiance of an Israeli military call for more than a million civilians to move south within 24 hours in the build-up to its expected ground offensive.

 

[Hollie]

They are not my heroes, i am just telling you what i see,and you are still at it with those beheading stories.

Your heroes are as much a danger to themselves as they are a danger to the population of Gaza’istan.

Your Shia Iranian masters are laughing as they watch the destruction of Sunni islamists in Gaza’istan.

 

[Hollie]

How cute that the Islamic terrorist huggers are demanding a ceasefire while they chant “from the river to the sea….”

The goal of the islamics is the destruction of Israel and not incidentally, the killing of Jews. That goal is stated in the Hamas Charter.

There is no indication that the Israeli government is going to consider a ceasefire. That’s especially true when the Hamas spokes-beards announce there will be no end to attacks on Israelis.

Thousands of pro-Palestinian marchers descend upon WH chanting ‘Allahu akbar,’ ‘F–k Joe Biden’ as they demand ceasefire

“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” the crowd dotted with Palestinian flags and signs cried at the beginning of the event.

nypost.com

Tens of thousands of pro-Palestinian protesters massed in Washington, DC, Saturday afternoon before descending upon the White House to chant, “Allahu akbar” and “F–k Joe Biden” as they accused the president of genocide and demanded a ceasefire in the Gaza Strip.

 

[Blaster]

Crush Hamas.

 

[Kruska]

They gave up because they knew the way history was going and they could not continue with their actions, i believe the same will happen with those Israelis, unless they take us all down in the meantime with a world conflict.

They gave up due to the economic hardship placed onto them via international sanctions and embargoes - impoverishing a former rich country and therefore even worsening the economic situation for the indigenous. And to avoid further civilian casualties due to an ANC operating via terrorist means.
They did not have the "unconditional" support of e.g. the USA - unlike Israel.

And being a former South-African citizen - WE never had a genocidal approach towards the indigenous population - unlike the radical Zionist faction in Israel. WE could have easily bombed them into extinction and drive them off into neighboring countries - and into those designated homelands. WE had a one State solution - that imposed restrictions onto the indigenous - called Apartheid.

It was Communist countries that wanted to get their hands onto the Southern part of Africa - encouraging and helping to create massive terrorist organizations - who's only valid argument towards equal political participation was based onto the population count. That they never possessed the mental and social ability to run a country - was simply neglected by the world.

Apartheid did not help to bridge or improve these "deficiencies" that is why e.g. my family and myself were against Apartheid. Okay, I do not want to derail this thread.

Palestinians however are in no way inferior nor lack capabilities compared to Jewish Israelis, to run a country in a civilized manner. Those Arab and Muslim countries that did not get drawn into wars - have all developed just as well as Israel - some even better.

Radical Zionist Israelis are however aware that the Palestinians would constitute a population majority in a one state solution - and therefore reject it. They want an Israel solely dominated and run by Jews - and that Israel includes the West-Bank, Gaza and the Golan-heights.

Since they place their "rights" solely onto some self-written book - Israel (aka David&Salomon Kingdom) includes today's Lebanon, Jordan and southern Syria - and the Arabs are absolutely aware of this since the Balfour Deceleration in 1917.

Israel and any other country in the world has a right to protect its-self against terrorist activities - that they failed miserably (for whatever reasons) to do so on October 7th - isn't the Palestinians nor Hamas fault - the latter simply exploited that issue to conduct mass killings and war-crimes. And these killings do not give Israel any rights to conduct war-crimes against Palestinian civilians.

There are well known ways to combat terrorists and terrorism - indiscriminate bombings and killings of civilians isn't one one of them.

 

[Failzero]

They gave up due to the economic hardship placed onto them via international sanctions and embargoes - impoverishing a former rich country and therefore even worsening the economic situation for the indigenous. And to avoid further civilian casualties due to an ANC operating via terrorist means.
They did not have the "unconditional" support of e.g. the USA - unlike Israel.

And being a former South-African citizen - WE never had a genocidal approach towards the indigenous population - unlike the radical Zionist faction in Israel. WE could have easily bombed them into extinction and drive them off into neighboring countries - and into those designated homelands. WE had a one State solution - that imposed restrictions onto the indigenous - called Apartheid.

It was Communist countries that wanted to get their hands onto the Southern part of Africa - encouraging and helping to create massive terrorist organizations - who's only valid argument towards equal political participation was based onto the population count. That they never possessed the mental and social ability to run a country - was simply neglected by the world.

Apartheid did not help to bridge or improve these "deficiencies" that is why e.g. my family and myself were against Apartheid. Okay, I do not want to derail this thread.

Palestinians however are in no way inferior nor lack capabilities compared to Jewish Israelis, to run a country in a civilized manner. Those Arab and Muslim countries that did not get drawn into wars - have all developed just as well as Israel - some even better.

Radical Zionist Israelis are however aware that the Palestinians would constitute a population majority in a one state solution - and therefore reject it. They want an Israel solely dominated and run by Jews - and that Israel includes the West-Bank, Gaza and the Golan-heights.

Since they place their "rights" solely onto some self-written book - Israel (aka David&Salomon Kingdom) includes today's Lebanon, Jordan and southern Syria - and the Arabs are absolutely aware of this since the Balfour Deceleration in 1917.

Israel and any other country in the world has a right to protect its-self against terrorist activities - that they failed miserably (for whatever reasons) to do so on October 7th - isn't the Palestinians nor Hamas fault - the latter simply exploited that issue to conduct mass killings and war-crimes. And these killings do not give Israel any rights to conduct war-crimes against Palestinian civilians.

There are well known ways to combat terrorists and terrorism - indiscriminate bombings and killings of civilians isn't one one of them.

Like Targeted Strikes with Guided 21st Century Smart munitions that the IDF uses

 

[Kruska]

Crush Hamas.

Absolutely - but not via war-crimes committed towards Palestinian civilians.

 

[Failzero]

Absolutely - but not via war-crimes committed towards Palestinian civilians.

Yep keep pounding the **** outta them with 21st Century Smart guided munitions

 

[Kruska]

Like Targeted Strikes with Guided 21st Century Smart munitions that the IDF uses

To hit and destroy 14 hospitals (not including the disputed one) refugee camps under UN admission, refugees heading to the "save-zone" - any building "suspected" of housing Hamas terrorists - and as such resulting into the death of 8000+ Palestinian civilians of which so far around 5000 constitute of women and children?

I don't get your meaning in regards to Smart munitions.
Smart munition doesn't differentiate between a terrorist and a Palestinian civilian - they are more precise - that's all.

 

[BS Filter]

I ain't changing nothing, mother-******!

Go blow yourself up.

 

[BS Filter]

Another closet German speaks his piece.

You shouldn't kick the bear unless you have bigger claws. Cowards. Go hide behind some children and in ambulances. Sick nasty vermin.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Israel strikes Hamas and Hezbollah targets
OFF TOPIC: Misinformation
※→ Kruska, et al,

This is simply the deceptive manipulation of the ground truth.

Gaza and the West-Bank were NEVER sovereign territories of Egypt nor Jordan - these occupied Palestinian territories (due to the numerous known wars involving Israel) - had been occupied by the respective nations.

(COMMENT)

For the proposes of the Jordanian Territory west of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea (AKA: The West Bank), you need to read the official position on the Jordanian History site.http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/history.html

History - The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan - King Hussein​

kinghussein.gov.jo
http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo › histor

Jordan is a land steeped in history. It has been home to some of mankind's earliest settlements and villages, and relics of many of the world's great ...

Excerpt

Unification of the Two Banks

◈ On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion.​

THEN:

◈ On July 28, 1988, King Hussein announced the cessation of a $1.3 billion development program for the West Bank, explaining that the measure was designed to allow the PLO more responsibility for the area. Two days later, he formally dissolved Parliament, ending West Bank representation in the legislature. Finally, on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank. Accordingly, electoral districts were redrawn to represent East Bank constituencies only. This disengagement decision marks the turning point that launched the current democratic process, and began a new stage in Jordan’s relationship with West Bank Palestinians.​

While the King said it was to help the PLO, the actual Treaty said something different. The King did not grant the Palestinians any territory. In fact, the PLO had not yet been appointed the conserator of the territory. The PLO was not yet been assigned the role as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people. That would not happen until November of that year (1988). That was too little, too late. The PLO had not formed an actual Provisional Government.

The Gaza Strip was not actually ceded to the Palestinians. "Although the All-Palestine Government was projected as the nucleus of Palestinian self-government, it was an Egyptian-led phantom deliberately created by the Arab states to meet their publics' opposition to partition and to challenge Transjordan's claim to the rest of Arab Palestine." The fake All Palestine Government (specifically President Gamal Abdel Nasser) was closed by the Egyptian President in 1959.

As a matter of support, the following is an excerpt of a UN Memo from the Office of Legal Affairs. (DEC 2012)

Jordan and Egypt gave back these occupied Palestinian territories to the PALESTINIANS - but Israel simply kept them occupied - even against international law - annexed the occupied Golan Heights from Syria.

(COMMENT)

This is simply a blatant false statement. Jordan nor Egypt gave anything to the Palestinians.

◈ Jordan-Israeli Peace Treaty (1994) •​

• Annex I:​

(a) International Boundary​

(b) Baqura/Naharayim Area​

(c) Al-Ghamr/Zofar Area​

In terms of the West Bank and Jordan, the Border is (essentially) the Jordan River. Any territory that Jordan annexed in April 1950, was now on the west side of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea. I recommend you read the actual treaty.

AND

Article II. (United Nations — Treaty Series --- Government of the Arab Republic of Egypt and the Government of the State of Israel, 1979)
The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recog nized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.

You might take note that neither Treaty (Egyptian or Jordanian) references action bequeathing any territory to any Palestinian entity. Quite the contrary, the agreement is between the two pairs of states.

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I welcome any counter "Fact Check" that you might submit.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[BS Filter]

The land prospers under Israel. The Pals would be better off living in Israel.

 

[Kruska]

RE: Israel strikes Hamas and Hezbollah targets
OFF TOPIC: Misinformation
※→ Kruska, et al,

This is simply the deceptive manipulation of the ground truth.

The Israeli Annexation Plan and Jordan’s West Bank Moment

Joe Macaron argues that as Netanyahu makes plans to annex parts of the occupied West Bank, Jordan faces difficult choices in appeasing domestic critics and preserving strategic relations with the United States while saving its peace treaty with Israel.

arabcenterdc.org

Jordan had forwarded it's intention to annex the West Bank following the first round of the Arab-Israeli conflict of 1948/9. in 1951. The annexation "deceleration" by Jordan of the West-Bank was only recognized by Britain and Pakistan - however no one disputed that Jordan had occupied the West-Bank and ruled over it. Arab militants in Palestine refused to accept Jordanian rule and in 1964 founded the Palestine Liberation Organization.
It lost the territory to Israel in the June 1967 War and then ceded it to the Palestinians in 1988 by renouncing Jordanian claims to the West Bank.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/martinkramer/files/the_west_bank_was_annexed_once_before._it_ended_in_regret._.pdf

The invading Arab states in 1948, said Israel’s UN ambassador Chaim Herzog in 1977, “could not acquire rights of sovereignty over the territories they occupied,” and were “without any authority unilaterally to annex” them. Therefore, “Jordan’s unilateral ‘annexation’ of Judea and Samaria in 1950 . . . had no basis or validity in international law” and indeed “never received any international acknowledgement.”

Egypt had never annexed Gaza, but had occupied it in 1948 - and lost it to Israel in the 1967 war - since then it had been occupied by Israel till 2005.

Gaza: The History That Fuels the Conflict | HISTORY

This 140-square-mile stretch of land located along the Mediterranean coast between Egypt and Israel, has endured deca...

www.history.com

Egypt controlled Gaza until the Six-Day War in 1967, when Israel seized the strip, along with several other important areas of land.
As such Jordan never annexed the West-Bank according to international statutes - and Egypt had never declared an annexation of Gaza in the first place.

Same goes for the Golan-Heights - Israel unilaterally declared the annexation, which is only recognized by the USA. Therefore according to international Law - the Golan-height have NOT been annexed by Israel - however no one disputes that Israel occupies and controls the place and has send in 30,000 illegal Jewish settlers upon having forcefully displaced around 130,000 of the initial Syrian population.