Israel is kicking ass

[ShahdagMountains]

The Origins of the Conflict​

Finally, let’s address the origins of this war and determine who is truly responsible for the death of innocent people. By examining the facts leading to this tragic conflict, we can assign blame appropriately. On October 6th, there was a ceasefire, and no direct conflict with Hamas. Israel, sadly and perhaps naively, believed that Hamas had started to care for its people and was choosing not to engage in direct conflict. However, October 7th will remain a dark day in history; it became clear that Hamas cannot and will never be trusted. They violated all rules of engagement, attacking, murdering, and raping innocent women and children. No living being was spared from their butchery.

Conclusion​

All evidence points to one indisputable fact: Israel has gone above and beyond the call of duty to keep civilians out of harm’s way and to provide aid and medical assistance. Again, are these the actions of a genocidal entity? Of course not.

Hamas has ruled over Gaza with an iron fist, imprisoning and torturing anyone who dared to oppose them. Even now, with the mounting death toll and destruction, Hamas refuses to surrender of Hamas. They must love life more than death, love their children more than their hatred of Jews and accept this reality as is or suffer in their own demise.

A Former Palestinian Salafi Radical: There Is No Genocide Happening in Gaza

The ongoing war in Gaza has been characterized by many as a genocide committed by Israel. Ahmad calls BS on this.

www.israellycool.com

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Of course, the old "antisemite" trickery, dummies fall for it all the time just like dummies fall for the belief Trump is worthy to lead the US.

 

[Shusha]

From the post:

Critique of Israel's actions and policies does not render one antisemitic, especially as Israel continues to commit atrocities without respite.

Oh look, another who claims to critique Israel's actions and policies and then instead of actually critiquing Israel's actions and polices, just demonizes Israel with emotive and demonstrably false smears like "atrocities".

 

[gipper]

From the post:

Critique of Israel's actions and policies does not render one antisemitic, especially as Israel continues to commit atrocities without respite.

Oh look, another who claims to critique Israel's actions and policies and then instead of actually critiquing Israel's actions and polices, just demonizes Israel with emotive and demonstrably false smears like "atrocities".

If you don’t know they’ve committed atrocities, you don’t know much.

 

[Shusha]

If you don’t know they’ve committed atrocities, you don’t know much.

I have seen absolutely no evidence that Israel has done anything outside of international law, let alone that there have been "atrocities". Perhaps you can provide some specific details that would support your position. But you won't. You'll just make the same demonizing smears.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

From the post:

Critique of Israel's actions and policies does not render one antisemitic, especially as Israel continues to commit atrocities without respite.

Oh look, another who claims to critique Israel's actions and policies and then instead of actually critiquing Israel's actions and polices, just demonizes Israel with emotive and demonstrably false smears like "atrocities".

Are you disputing that atrocities have been perpetrated by the Israelis in Gaza or are you disputing that any atrocities are attributable to Israel's actions and policies?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I have seen absolutely no evidence that Israel has done anything outside of international law, let alone that there have been "atrocities".

Where did you look for evidence of this? What do you see if you search Google for "Gaza atrocities"?

Perhaps you can provide some specific details that would support your position. But you won't. You'll just make the same demonizing smears.

Why bother, if you are unwilling to look then no amount of showing you will do much.

 

[Shusha]

Are you disputing that atrocities have been perpetrated by the Israelis in Gaza or are you disputing that any atrocities are attributable to Israel's actions and policies?

Both. Israel is acting within international law, which, by definition, is not an atrocity. (This doesn't mean that the loss of human life is not terrible and tragic.)

 

[Shusha]

Why bother, if you are unwilling to look then no amount of showing you will do much.

Well, we won't know unless someone provides me with some evidence. What I want is less generalized assignment of evil, and more intellectual discussion and factual presentation of evidence on this board, with deeper discussion around specifics.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Both. Israel is acting within international law, which, by definition, is not an atrocity.

How can you be 100% certain that Israel has not violated international law? Have you been personally present to witness every single discharge of a gun or tank or every delivery of a bomb or missile to be 100% certain that in every single case, international law was not broken?

(This doesn't mean that the loss of human life is not terrible and tragic.)

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Well, we won't know unless someone provides me with some evidence. What I want is less generalized assignment of evil, and more intellectual discussion and factual presentation of evidence on this board, with deeper discussion around specifics.

What do you see if you search Google for "Gaza atrocities"?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Shusha - If Israel did violate international law but denied it, what would you do?

 

[Concerned American]

Lucky Guy! According to these traditions, Muslim men that die waging jihad against the enemies of Islam will be rewarded by Allah in heaven (jannah) as martyrs (shuhada) and receive seventy-two virgins to enjoy in blissful ecstasy.

Does it say whether those virgins are human or not?

 

[ozro]

Does it say whether those virgins are human or not?

Maybe they become each other's "virgins"

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Maybe they become each other's "virgins"

King Solomon too had his sexual rewards, earthly in his case, no idea if they were all virgins though.

 

[Shusha]

How can you be 100% certain that Israel has not violated international law?

I can't, of course. But the lack of evidence that Israel is violating international law, as well as the clear evidence of her following international law leads that direction. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please provide it. Anything.

Have you been personally present to witness every single discharge of a gun or tank or every delivery of a bomb or missile to be 100% certain that in every single case, international law was not broken?

I do differentiate between individuals and policies of Israel. I'm certain, and I believe I had said it before, that there are instances of individual acts that are against Israeli policy, that are "fog of war", and that are straight up errors.

 

[Shusha]

Shusha - If Israel did violate international law but denied it, what would you do?

If I had proof that Israel violated international law? I would condemn it, and depending on what the violation was, might have other actions.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I can't, of course. But the lack of evidence that Israel is violating international law, as well as the clear evidence of her following international law leads that direction. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please provide it. Anything.

I do differentiate between individuals and policies of Israel. I'm certain, and I believe I had said it before, that there are instances of individual acts that are against Israeli policy, that are "fog of war", and that are straight up errors.

Right, so you aren't 100% certain that no atrocities have taken place in Gaza due to Israel's actions all you can say here is that you personally have not observed (or recognized) any evidence of such atrocities.

Tell me then, how does "I've not personally seen any evidence for X" get written by you as "There's a lack of evidence for X"? these are not the same statement are they?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

If I had proof that Israel violated international law? I would condemn it, and depending on what the violation was, might have other actions.

Can you give an example of any atrocity committed by any government that you have seen proof of?

 

[Shusha]

Right, so you aren't 100% certain that no atrocities have taken place in Gaza due to Israel's actions all you can say here is that you personally have not observed any evidence of such atrocities.

Tell me then, how does "I've not personally seen any evidence for X" get written by you as "There's a lack of evidence for X"? these are not the same statement are they?

I do not believe that personal witness is the only manner of collecting evidence. (Otherwise, well there goes the ICJ and ICC opinions). There are other ways of collecting and determining evidence.

There IS a lack of evidence of Israel violating international law in this war. If there is SO MUCH evidence that Israel is violating international law, you should be able to produce some in specifics, rather than in general demonizing statements.