Israel Gaza and civilian deaths

[The Rabbi]

The trouble is, that is true in only one instance, in that vacant UN school.

All other claims about that are bullshit.

And that doesn't change the fact that Israel started the shooting.

"Welcome to USMB!"

Israel started the shooting?? You're one stupid, obsessed, ******* anti-Semite. None of this would be happening if Israel wasn't attacked by rockets. That is not an opinion, it's a fact. And yes Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. I know you want to believe big bad Israel is targeting civilians so bad it hurts, but the truth is, you rotten little ******* prick, none of that's reality, asshole.

Israel started wholesale round ups of dozens of Hamas after the three teens were abducted. That is why Hamas escalated it.

After they were abducted? You mean after they were murdered. Or did you miss that part? So the rational response of any responsible government to that is to start raining missiles down on civilians, right?

 

[BlindBoo]

How one can blame Israel for all of this I cannot understand,

That's because you don't want to.

but I can only chalk it up to antisemitism.

Why would I hate Jews?

One more bit of evidence that leftwingers today have replaced the Nazis of 1945.

Interesting comment, in spite of the fact that the Israeli's, treat the Palestinian's, like the Nazis, treated the Jews.

The final battle started on the eve of Passover of April 19, 1943, when a Nazi force consisting of several thousand troops entered the ghetto. After initial setbacks, the Germans under the field command of Jürgen Stroop systematically burned and blew up the ghetto buildings, block by block, rounding up or murdering anybody they could capture. Significant resistance ended on April 28, and the Nazi operation officially ended in mid-May, symbolically culminating with the demolition of the Great Synagogue of Warsaw on May 16. According to the official report, at least 56,065 people were killed on the spot or deported to German Nazi concentration and death camps (Treblinka, Poniatowa, Majdanek, Trawniki).

Warsaw Ghetto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BlindBoo]

Israel started the shooting?? You're one stupid, obsessed, ******* anti-Semite. None of this would be happening if Israel wasn't attacked by rockets. That is not an opinion, it's a fact. And yes Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. I know you want to believe big bad Israel is targeting civilians so bad it hurts, but the truth is, you rotten little ******* prick, none of that's reality, asshole.

Israel started wholesale round ups of dozens of Hamas after the three teens were abducted. That is why Hamas escalated it.

After they were abducted? You mean after they were murdered. Or did you miss that part? So the rational response of any responsible government to that is to start raining missiles down on civilians, right?

Yes after they were abducted and before their murdered bodies were found, Israel was rounding up scores. Who said it was a rational response? It was a response, an escalation, to what Israel did.

 

[deltex1]

Israel started wholesale round ups of dozens of Hamas after the three teens were abducted. That is why Hamas escalated it.

After they were abducted? You mean after they were murdered. Or did you miss that part? So the rational response of any responsible government to that is to start raining missiles down on civilians, right?

Yes after they were abducted and before their murdered bodies were found, Israel was rounding up scores. Who said it was a rational response? It was a response, an escalation, to what Israel did.

You are weakening, boo...best go to Another thread.

 

[deltex1]

Israel started wholesale round ups of dozens of Hamas after the three teens were abducted. That is why Hamas escalated it.

After they were abducted? You mean after they were murdered. Or did you miss that part? So the rational response of any responsible government to that is to start raining missiles down on civilians, right?

Yes after they were abducted and before their murdered bodies were found, Israel was rounding up scores. Who said it was a rational response? It was a response, an escalation, to what Israel did.

Who would you have rounded up? Space aliens?

 

[montelatici]

Isn't it ironic.


"When the Jews dug tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Warsaw Ghetto, it was an act of justified resistance. When the Palestinians dig tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Gaza Ghetto, it is terrorism."

Jewish tunnels in the Warsaw Ghetto | melange

 

[BlindBoo]

After they were abducted? You mean after they were murdered. Or did you miss that part? So the rational response of any responsible government to that is to start raining missiles down on civilians, right?

Yes after they were abducted and before their murdered bodies were found, Israel was rounding up scores. Who said it was a rational response? It was a response, an escalation, to what Israel did.

Who would you have rounded up? Space aliens?

Hey Dexie, just pointing out that Hamas didn't just decide to start firing rockets into Israel for no reason.

 

[Lipush]

Isn't it ironic.


"When the Jews dug tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Warsaw Ghetto, it was an act of justified resistance. When the Palestinians dig tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Gaza Ghetto, it is terrorism."

Jewish tunnels in the Warsaw Ghetto | melange

Hamas digs in order to kill, and only to kill.

They get tons of food from Israel. The only aim of those tunnles is to spill blood.

Your propaganda s*** only fools ignorant people.

 

[montelatici]

Isn't it ironic.


"When the Jews dug tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Warsaw Ghetto, it was an act of justified resistance. When the Palestinians dig tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Gaza Ghetto, it is terrorism."

Jewish tunnels in the Warsaw Ghetto | melange

Hamas digs in order to kill.

So did the Jews.

 

[Andylusion]

Isn't it ironic.


"When the Jews dug tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Warsaw Ghetto, it was an act of justified resistance. When the Palestinians dig tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Gaza Ghetto, it is terrorism."

Jewish tunnels in the Warsaw Ghetto | melange

Last I checked the Jews were not using the tunnels to smuggle rockets to fire at Israeli civilians, which is ironic given the Nazis were systematically slaughtering them.

So unless you can prove to me that Israel has been shipping Gaza people to concentration camps to gas them, it's not a fair comparison.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Isn't it ironic.


"When the Jews dug tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Warsaw Ghetto, it was an act of justified resistance. When the Palestinians dig tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Gaza Ghetto, it is terrorism."

Jewish tunnels in the Warsaw Ghetto | melange

They don't need to smuggle food as plenty goes in through the crossings. The shops and markets are teeming with food. Weapons? Now why would they need them other than for terrorism.

 

[Daniyel]

I Think this forum need a quick IQ/Basic logic test upon registration.

 

[RoccoR]

R.C. Christian, et al,

This is so ridiculous.

You can't, but the disproportionate amount of death on the Philistines is a major detriment to Israel as it presents itself on the world stage.

They brag endlessly about how they "warn people" but then they send in flechette rounds, and other artillery indiscriminately.

They're losing the PR war, and badly.

(COMMENT)

When Gaza (HAMAS) commits an Act of War by firing rockets into Israel, they have violated international law.

It has been my experience, that most people who talk about the Rules of War (what is prohibited) they have little or no idea what the rules are. In this case, our friend "R.C. Christian" might be a bit behind the power curve. Currently, there are some 161 Rules that are either customary rules applicable in international armed conflicts (IACs) or customary rules applicable in non-international armed conflicts (NIACs) covered in 6 Parts:

– Principle of distinction
– Specifically protected persons and objects
– Specific methods of warfare
– Weapons
– Treatment of civilians and persons hors de combat
– Implementation​

The reason that Israel makes it abundantly clear that they are giving warnings is that they want to make it known that the are following the Rules of War.

Distinction between Civilian Objects and Military Objectives

Rule 7. The parties to the conflict must at all times distinguish between civilian objects and military objectives. Attacks may only be directed against military objectives. Attacks must not be directed against civilian objects. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 8. In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose partial or total destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 9. Civilian objects are all objects that are not military objectives. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 10. Civilian objects are protected against attack, unless and for such time as they are military objectives. [IAC/NIAC]​

Indiscriminate Attacks

Rule 11. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 12. Indiscriminate attacks are those:

(a) which are not directed at a specific military objective;
(b) which employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or
(c) which employ a method or means of combat the effects of which cannot be limited as required by international humanitarian law; and consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction. [IAC/NIAC]​

Rule 13. Attacks by bombardment by any method or means which treats as a single military objective a number of clearly separated and distinct military objectives located in a city, town, village or other area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian objects are prohibited. [IAC/NIAC]​

Proportionality in Attack

Rule 14. Launching an attack which may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated, is prohibited. [IAC/NIAC]​

Precautions in Attack

Rule 15. In the conduct of military operations, constant care must be taken to spare the civilian population, civilians and civilian objects. All feasible precautions must be taken to avoid, and in any event to minimize, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 16. Each party to the conflict must do everything feasible to verify that targets are military objectives. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 17. Each party to the conflict must take all feasible precautions in the choice of means and methods of warfare with a view to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 18. Each party to the confl ict must do everything feasible to assess whether the attack may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 19. Each party to the conflict must do everything feasible to cancel or suspend an attack if it becomes apparent that the target is not a military objective or that the attack may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 20. Each party to the conflict must give effective advance warning of attacks which may affect the civilian population, unless circumstances do not permit. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 21. When a choice is possible between several military objectives for obtaining a similar military advantage, the objective to be selected must be that the attack on which may be expected to cause the least danger to civilian lives and to civilian objects. [IAC/arguably NIAC]​

Not the the Pro-HAMAS movement cares, but Israel is attempting to meet IAC/NAIC Rules in every way they can; more so then in any other conflict in the last century. Especially those conflicts elsewhere in the Middle East and Persian Gulf. The Israeli Defense Force (IDF)

• Does not directed attacks against civilians.
• Does not direct threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population.
• All IDF objectives are limited to those objects which make an effective contribution to military action.
• The IDF does not civilian objects unless and for such time as they are used for military purposes.
• The IDF does not attack any target indiscriminately.
• The IDF does not launch attacks which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military objective.
• The IDF takes all feasible precautions to avoid, or minimize, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.

Of particular interest is:

Rule 64. Concluding an agreement to suspend combat with the intention
of attacking by surprise the enemy relying on that agreement is prohibited.
[IAC/NIAC]​

The IDF does not violate a ceasefire for humanitarian purposes. In fact, it has extended the ceasefire for the purpose of retrieve their dead and stock up on food and medicine (giving aid and comfort).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Great information Rocco.

 

[Theotherguy]

The trouble is, that is true in only one instance, in that vacant UN school.

All other claims about that are bullshit.

And that doesn't change the fact that Israel started the shooting.

"Welcome to USMB!"

Israel started the shooting?? You're one stupid, obsessed, ******* anti-Semite. None of this would be happening if Israel wasn't attacked by rockets. That is not an opinion, it's a fact. And yes Hamas is hiding amongst civilians. I know you want to believe big bad Israel is targeting civilians so bad it hurts, but the truth is, you rotten little ******* prick, none of that's reality, asshole.

Israel started wholesale round ups of dozens of Hamas after the three teens were abducted. That is why Hamas escalated it.

After terrorism occurred you say? Those self-defense believing bastards

 

[Theotherguy]

Isn't it ironic.


"When the Jews dug tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Warsaw Ghetto, it was an act of justified resistance. When the Palestinians dig tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Gaza Ghetto, it is terrorism."

Israel has NEVER restricted the movement of food and medical supplies. Insisting there be no weapons among the food and medical supplies is not barbaric.

 

[Manchester]

There has been a lot of talk about Israel Hamas and civilian deaths and it got me wondering how I could better justify the deaths of thousands of civilians to myself and then externalize that arguement on a website

Ammended with a major dose of reality.

 

[toastman]

Isn't it ironic.


"When the Jews dug tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Warsaw Ghetto, it was an act of justified resistance. When the Palestinians dig tunnels to smuggle food and weapons into the Gaza Ghetto, it is terrorism."

Jewish tunnels in the Warsaw Ghetto | melange

The problem with this bullshit of a post is that Hamas also uses the tunnels to sneak into Israel to kill anyone who is in the vicinity when they pop their heads up.
I always knew you were ignorant, but wow, just wow!
You're in Billo territory

 

[danny30]

montelatici, Such a comment makes you lose even the tiniest bit of credibility you may have had, although judging by many of your other comments I'm not sure you had any to start with.

 

[jon_berzerk]

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