Israel attacks Gaza strip after Hamas armed wing parade

[P F Tinmore]

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

"Lets be clear" , Israel does not do defense, they do offense.

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

What's that have to do with defending your nation against --AS YOU CLAIM -- the Palestinians war upon Israel?

You have that backward. It is Israel's war on Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I find it to my disadvantage not to have a close approximation of the date in question.

The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

Who was Israel's boogyman for the forty years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

After May 1948, the Arab League forming the umbrella over the Arab-Palestinians, with various Arab League members having their ow brand of Arab-Palestinian as a proxy.

VOICES OF PALESTINE: HAJ AMIN AL-HUSSEINI][/SIZE]
]For example, during the incitement which led to the 1929 Arab revolt in Palestine, he (al-Husseini) called for combating and slaughtering "the Jews", not merely Zionists. In fact, most of the Jewish victims of the 1929 Arab revolt were Jews from the centuries old dhimmi communities (e.g., in Hebron), as opposed to recent settlers identified with the Zionist movement.
SOURCE: Nazi collaborator and founder of the Palestinian Arab movement. November 7, 2011

Dr. Cohen is currently completing a book entitled “The Mufti and the Jews - the War of Haj Amin Al Husseini against the Jews of the World”.

"The Prime Minister’s remarks were not far from reality,” he told Arutz Sheva. “There was a plan by the Mufti to burn the Jews from Arab countries and Jews in Palestine after the German victory in the battle of El Alamein in 1943. Haj Amin al-Husseini was an officer in the Turkish army. I have no proof, but apparently he knew about the Armenian Genocide and drew his ideas from that. None of the historians have referred to that.
SOURCE: Historian: The Mufti planned to burn Jews

No one is going to argue the point that the Jewish People were not under the preasure of hostility and assaults by the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and it was all due to Zionist colonization. There were no attacks prior to that.

once again, learn history nutter.

What attacks against the Jews were before Britain landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket?

 

[Penelope]

Targeting civilians is an international war crime in every book.

Israel hits Hamas targets in Gaza Strip after rocket struck border town | Fox News

then why does israel.continue to target civilians?

It doesn't it targets illegal weapons and military targets. It is hamas that forces the civilians to be human shields and make the false claims. As soon as a civilian lifts a finger to help hamas terrorists they lose civilian protected status and become militia.
It is all detailed in the Geneva conventions that have to be read in full so you get the context of what each means

Lying Israeli shill gets his ass kicked. Not to mention a couple of his lies that were not addressed.



You need to reread the Geneva Convention. I believe you are incorrect.

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

"Lets be clear" , Israel does not do defense, they do offense.

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

What's that have to do with defending your nation against --AS YOU CLAIM -- the Palestinians war upon Israel?[/QUOTE

P F Tinmore, et al,

I find it to my disadvantage not to have a close approximation of the date in question.

The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.

Who was Israel's boogyman for the forty years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

After May 1948, the Arab League forming the umbrella over the Arab-Palestinians, with various Arab League members having their ow brand of Arab-Palestinian as a proxy.

VOICES OF PALESTINE: HAJ AMIN AL-HUSSEINI][/SIZE]
]For example, during the incitement which led to the 1929 Arab revolt in Palestine, he (al-Husseini) called for combating and slaughtering "the Jews", not merely Zionists. In fact, most of the Jewish victims of the 1929 Arab revolt were Jews from the centuries old dhimmi communities (e.g., in Hebron), as opposed to recent settlers identified with the Zionist movement.
SOURCE: Nazi collaborator and founder of the Palestinian Arab movement. November 7, 2011

Dr. Cohen is currently completing a book entitled “The Mufti and the Jews - the War of Haj Amin Al Husseini against the Jews of the World”.

"The Prime Minister’s remarks were not far from reality,” he told Arutz Sheva. “There was a plan by the Mufti to burn the Jews from Arab countries and Jews in Palestine after the German victory in the battle of El Alamein in 1943. Haj Amin al-Husseini was an officer in the Turkish army. I have no proof, but apparently he knew about the Armenian Genocide and drew his ideas from that. None of the historians have referred to that.
SOURCE: Historian: The Mufti planned to burn Jews

No one is going to argue the point that the Jewish People were not under the preasure of hostility and assaults by the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and it was all due to Zionist colonization. There were no attacks prior to that.

once again, learn history nutter.

What attacks against the Jews were before Britain landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket?

The Balfour Declaration is null and void, since the condition was the Zionist were to live socially among the inhabitants already there, which they have not done. They even got rid of the British, King David Hotel.

Just like a swarm of savages landed in Palestine, at a time when the Palestinians were finally rid of Ottoman rule, they came under Zionist rule.

The Balfour Declaration is null and void, since the condition was the Zionist were to live socially among the inhabitants already there, which they have not done. They even got rid of the British, King David Hotel.

Just like a swarm of savages landed in Palestine, at a time when the Palestinians were finally rid of Ottoman rule, they came under Zionist rule.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you are going to use that ridiculous defense, then you might want to gain some credibility by telling the "WHOLE STORY."

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

"Lets be clear" , Israel does not do defense, they do offense.

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

(COMMENT)

FIRST --- You did not tell them that the UN Committee that is responsible for monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960); Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24) DOES NOT INCLUDE the Palestine Quest as a one of the Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs) to which the Decolonization Resolution applies. See the table, up-dated this year, for the NSGTs for which this applies. In fact, you will not see any Middle East Nation listed

SECOND --- This particular Resolution does NOT conflict with the basic Charter Mandate [Chapter 1 Article 2(3)] which demands that "all Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered." Even in the case of a colonization connection, the Hostile Arab-Palestinians, by virtue of their policy to continue armed struggle, is the party in breach of Article 68 of the Forth Geneva Convention.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you are going to use that ridiculous defense, then you might want to gain some credibility by telling the "WHOLE STORY."

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

"Lets be clear" , Israel does not do defense, they do offense.

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

(COMMENT)

FIRST --- You did not tell them that the UN Committee that is responsible for monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960); Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24) DOES NOT INCLUDE the Palestine Quest as a one of the Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs) to which the Decolonization Resolution applies. See the table, up-dated this year, for the NSGTs for which this applies. In fact, you will not see any Middle East Nation listed

SECOND --- This particular Resolution does NOT conflict with the basic Charter Mandate [Chapter 1 Article 2(3)] which demands that "all Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered." Even in the case of a colonization connection, the Hostile Arab-Palestinians, by virtue of their policy to continue armed struggle, is the party in breach of Article 68 of the Forth Geneva Convention.

Most Respectfully,
R

You did not mention the UNPC that was supposed to take over the Mandate in 1948 but failed to protect the people and land under its trust.

You did not mention the UNCCP that was charged to solve the Palestinian problem but failed to do its job.

The Decolonization by the UN does not cover Palestine even though the colonizing of Palestine was mentioned in other UN resolutions.

There is a pile of other UN resolutions that address the Palestine problem sitting on the shelf collecting dust with no action taken.

Just because the UN consistently fails the Palestinians does not change the facts on the ground. Israel is the colonization of Palestine.

 

[Fenton Lum]

How is their "parade" relevant to the air-force's response to Gaza's crimes yesterday?

What crimes, the make believe ones. Every new defense minister needs to struck his stuff, and well its the 2 year anniversary, we can't let those who live in Gaza think Israel has turned soft.

Firing rockets across the border is a war crime and it is time the UN took action.

Perhaps they would if the entire dance was not mutual.

 

[Fenton Lum]

P F Tinmore, et al,

If you are going to use that ridiculous defense, then you might want to gain some credibility by telling the "WHOLE STORY."

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

"Lets be clear" , Israel does not do defense, they do offense.

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

(COMMENT)

FIRST --- You did not tell them that the UN Committee that is responsible for monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960); Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24) DOES NOT INCLUDE the Palestine Quest as a one of the Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs) to which the Decolonization Resolution applies. See the table, up-dated this year, for the NSGTs for which this applies. In fact, you will not see any Middle East Nation listed

SECOND --- This particular Resolution does NOT conflict with the basic Charter Mandate [Chapter 1 Article 2(3)] which demands that "all Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered." Even in the case of a colonization connection, the Hostile Arab-Palestinians, by virtue of their policy to continue armed struggle, is the party in breach of Article 68 of the Forth Geneva Convention.

Most Respectfully,
R

Most respectfully, this is exactly how "we" got where "we" are and why "we" will continue to stay stuck where "we" are forever. It is intuitively obvious to even the most casual of observers that all anyone arguing this position does is look for an excuse and justification for Israel's occupation, subjugation, and colonization of another people they deem subhuman. The fact is that Palestinians are resisting subjugation as anyone else in their position would. And the “fact” that someone may find some legalese justification for it does nothing to alter the reality that it is occupation, subjugation, and colonization. America needs to butt the fuck out of the entire charade instead of supporting it. Make Israel do what they’re up to on their own, and cease desist with all the bullshit about America supporting folk seeking freedom and independence.

 

[ogibillm]

How is their "parade" relevant to the air-force's response to Gaza's crimes yesterday?

What crimes, the make believe ones. Every new defense minister needs to struck his stuff, and well its the 2 year anniversary, we can't let those who live in Gaza think Israel has turned soft.

Firing rockets across the border is a war crime and it is time the UN took action.

Perhaps they would if the entire dance was not mutual.

It's ignorant to believe that israel.ever wants those ineffective rockets to stop

 

[Shusha]

What attacks against the Jews were before Britain landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket?

Oh, please. You can't be serious. Hebron and Safed 1834.

 

[Shusha]

Pro palestinians hold such great care for Palestinian rights, whine about a freaking water tower, but launching rockets upon children heads' is acceptable in their book.

Well F#ck you. You're hypocrites. Hamas targets were hit. Not civilians. I wish the IDF would do it everyday.

P.S- Penelope, you need to understand. Nobody cares what you believe or not

a water tower is a hamas target?

The water tower was damaged in 2014 and not as a result of this response to criminal acts against Israel this week.

 

[Shusha]

So if Israel has information of even a "perceived attack" its defending itself.

Of course. If you are sitting and enjoying a beer on your deck and you see your neighbor pull out a gun and aim it at you -- you are being attacked.

In that case, since Israel has the Palestinians in Gaza fenced in and their life's are under the goodness of Israel to let supplies in or to even leave the open air prison (which they are being kept against their will and without being found quilty of any crime)

This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've seen Team anti-Israel make. Even borders between friendly nations without conflict are protected. Citizens of one nation are not permitted to cross a border to another nation without the permission of the nation they are entering. This does not make Canada an open-air prison if I need American permission to travel to the US. Really, stop making this ridiculous argument.

 

[P F Tinmore]

What attacks against the Jews were before Britain landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket?

Oh, please. You can't be serious. Hebron and Safed 1834.

If you have to go back a hundred years, it must not be a systemic problem.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

What's that have to do with defending your nation against --AS YOU CLAIM -- the Palestinians war upon Israel?

You have that backward. It is Israel's war on Palestine.

Oh good. Finish them off this week and drive them into the sea.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Targeting civilians is an international war crime in every book.

Israel hits Hamas targets in Gaza Strip after rocket struck border town | Fox News

then why does israel.continue to target civilians?

It doesn't it targets illegal weapons and military targets. It is hamas that forces the civilians to be human shields and make the false claims. As soon as a civilian lifts a finger to help hamas terrorists they lose civilian protected status and become militia.
It is all detailed in the Geneva conventions that have to be read in full so you get the context of what each means

Lying Israeli shill gets his ass kicked. Not to mention a couple of his lies that were not addressed.



You need to reread the Geneva Convention. I believe you are incorrect.

Penelope, et al,

In "Military Operations," as well as "Intelligence Operations," the difference between what is "Offensive" (Positive) and "Defensive" (Counter) is a matter distinguished by the purpose and intent, and not methodology, tactics or formation. Just as a "Positive Intelligence" operations may look very similar to a "Counterintelligence" operation (the same methods of operation in direct observation) --- so it is with "Offensive Military Operations" (shoot, move, and communicate) and "Defensive Military Operations."

Examples of "Defensive Operations" which might look like "Offensive Operations" are:

active defense — The employment of limited offensive action and counterattacks to deny a contested area or position to the enemy. See also passive defense. (JP 3-60)

aerospace defense — 1. All defensive measures designed to destroy or nullify attacking enemy aircraft and missiles and also negate hostile space systems. 2. An inclusive term encompassing air defense, ballistic missile defense, and space defense. See also air defense; space defense. (JP 3-27)

air and missile defense — Direct [active and passive] defensive actions taken to destroy, nullify, or reduce the effectiveness of hostile air and ballistic missile threats against friendly forces and assets. Also called AMD. (JP 3-01)

base defense — The local military measures, both normal and emergency, required to nullify or reduce the effectiveness of enemy attacks on, or sabotage of, a base, to ensure that the maximum capacity of its facilities is available to Israeli Defense Forces. (JP 3-10)

counterintelligence — Information gathered and activities conducted to identify, deceive, exploit, disrupt, or protect against espionage, other intelligence activities, sabotage, or assassinations conducted for or on behalf of foreign powers, organizations or persons or their agents, or international terrorist organizations or activities. Also called CI. See also counterespionage; security. (JP 2-01.2)

counterintelligence operations — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation. (JP 2-01.2)

counterterrorism — Activities and operations taken to neutralize terrorists and their organizations and networks in order to render them incapable of using violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies to achieve their goals. Also called CT. See also antiterrorism; combating terrorism; terrorism. (JP 3-26)

counter threat finance — Activities conducted to deny, disrupt, destroy, or defeat the generation, storage, movement, and use of assets to fund activities that support an adversary’s ability to negatively affect Israeli interests. Also called CTF. (JP 3-05)
​

(COMMENT)

Before you can even suggest whether an activity or operation is either "Offensive" or "Defensive" --- you have to articulate that you know the goal, purpose and objective of the operations. The elimination, neutralization or termination of a Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) resource is actually the — Proactive activities designed to identify, exploit, neutralize, or deter foreign intelligence collection and terrorist activities directed against the Israel. See also counterintelligence; operation; normally considered a counterintelligence mission but can be conducted by military resources.

If an Israeli Longbow takes-out a HAMAS leader, it is not an IDF offensive mission (per se). It is the elimination of a threat to Israel; a self-proclaimed Jihadist that has openly declared itself in an armed struggle with Israel and has demonstrated its ability to carry-out that threat. The elimination of this threat is a defensive mission that adds to the protection of the nation and its people. It does not matter the method of operation or the source of the plan; it is a defensive operation no matter what activity carries it out (IDF, Mossad, AMAN, or the Shin Bet).

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have the right to throw off over sixty years of military occupation.

Good for them. Then they have the right to be obliterated off the face of the earth in response then.

Not true.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration​

What's that have to do with defending your nation against --AS YOU CLAIM -- the Palestinians war upon Israel?[/QUOTE

P F Tinmore, et al,

I find it to my disadvantage not to have a close approximation of the date in question.

(COMMENT)

After May 1948, the Arab League forming the umbrella over the Arab-Palestinians, with various Arab League members having their ow brand of Arab-Palestinian as a proxy.

No one is going to argue the point that the Jewish People were not under the preasure of hostility and assaults by the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, and it was all due to Zionist colonization. There were no attacks prior to that.

once again, learn history nutter.

What attacks against the Jews were before Britain landed in Palestine with the Balfour Declaration in its pocket?

The Balfour Declaration is null and void, since the condition was the Zionist were to live socially among the inhabitants already there, which they have not done. They even got rid of the British, King David Hotel.

Just like a swarm of savages landed in Palestine, at a time when the Palestinians were finally rid of Ottoman rule, they came under Zionist rule.

The Balfour Declaration is null and void, since the condition was the Zionist were to live socially among the inhabitants already there, which they have not done. They even got rid of the British, King David Hotel.

Just like a swarm of savages landed in Palestine, at a time when the Palestinians were finally rid of Ottoman rule, they came under Zionist rule.

Palestinians are such pigs no Arab nation will take them in as refugees.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So if Israel has information of even a "perceived attack" its defending itself.

Of course. If you are sitting and enjoying a beer on your deck and you see your neighbor pull out a gun and aim it at you -- you are being attacked.

In that case, since Israel has the Palestinians in Gaza fenced in and their life's are under the goodness of Israel to let supplies in or to even leave the open air prison (which they are being kept against their will and without being found quilty of any crime)

This is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've seen Team anti-Israel make. Even borders between friendly nations without conflict are protected. Citizens of one nation are not permitted to cross a border to another nation without the permission of the nation they are entering. This does not make Canada an open-air prison if I need American permission to travel to the US. Really, stop making this ridiculous argument.

Of course that is a BS answer. Why can't the come and go by sea. Israel has no border there. Or anywhere else but that is another story for another day.

 

[Shusha]

If you have to go back a hundred years, it must not be a systemic problem.

Oh, so you admit that your premise that there were no attacks against Jews prior to the arrival of the "evil Zionists" was incorrect. But now want to claim that attacks against the Jewish people were not a "systemic" problem. And if I address that, I'm sure you will move the goal posts once again.

 

[P F Tinmore]

If you have to go back a hundred years, it must not be a systemic problem.

Oh, so you admit that your premise that there were no attacks against Jews prior to the arrival of the "evil Zionists" was incorrect. But now want to claim that attacks against the Jewish people were not a "systemic" problem. And if I address that, I'm sure you will move the goal posts once again.

If you have to go back a hundred years that means there were several generations of peace. There was no current animosity.

 

[Shusha]

Of course that is a BS answer. Why can't the come and go by sea. Israel has no border there.

Well, there is a maritime border between Gaza and Israel, just as there is a maritime border between Canada and the US.

And, of course, its more complicated than the Canada/US border because of the conflict.

BUT, my point was that Gaza is not a prison. Its a misuse of the word, in order to demonize Israel. (Notice that no one demonizes Egypt for the same border protection). Israel and Egypt, just like every country in the world, has a right to permit or deny entry into their country.

 

[Shusha]

If you have to go back a hundred years that means there were several generations of peace. There was no current animosity.

I disagree, of course. There was a low level of animosity which happened not to reach the point of outright massacre. Its a low bar to be setting, Tinmore. Hey look -- no one has massacred the Jews in two whole generations! We are rock stars.

In reality, proof of the animosity is in the outright rejection of Jewish immigration, as you point out yourself. See, there was peace, as long as there weren't too many Jews around and they were oppressed enough not to cause a fuss.

 

[Hollie]

If you have to go back a hundred years, it must not be a systemic problem.

Oh, so you admit that your premise that there were no attacks against Jews prior to the arrival of the "evil Zionists" was incorrect. But now want to claim that attacks against the Jewish people were not a "systemic" problem. And if I address that, I'm sure you will move the goal posts once again.

If you have to go back a hundred years that means there were several generations of peace. There was no current animosity.

Not true. You need to study your koranology and your Islamist history. Islam'ism has always been fascist and has little history of tolerance for competing religions.