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Ad hominems are not a valid argument.Lol. If a pro-Palestinian propaganda site is all you have to prove "Israeli apartheid" then your argument is pretty feeble at this point.
This is a one-sided conflict. People expect the Pals to make all the concessions and the Israeli's to make none.Sounds a bit one-sided...
Why would you grant someone who has committed no crime, amnesty?Sure, or we could just grant them all amnesty, just like we're doing here for illegals.
The fireworks are in response to the beating of innocent civilians.Just sit back and watch the fireworks.
So you have no choice but to beat the crap out of innocent, unarmed civilians, who have committed no crime?In a situation like that, such thinking is dangerous to the welfare of the citizenry.
I understand you don't punish someone who has committed no crime and you certainly don't treat someone like that after they have been restrained.You aren't a citizen of Israel, you don't understand it one bit.
I agree with the first part of your statement, as for the latter, you let me worry about what I care about, that's none of your concerns.No Israeli deserves to be blown up by rockets and bombers, or stabbed and shot to death, but you don't care much do you?
Of coarse. I fully support the Israeli left. The Israeli right, can go to hell!Surely your passion for the issue doesn't blind you to the fact the Israelis are just as human as the Palestinians are.
That man, didn't do anything to deserve that beating.Some of the things the Palestinians do to them make the beating of that man look humane. Don't lecture me.
This is "peace" through brute force. Completely untenable.
Addressing these in order as they are listed
1) No. You want us to completely abandon Israel.
2) See 1
3) Have they done something worthy of that?
4) That is unconstitutional.
5) So you're basically wanting to declare war against Israel if they don't submit to your demands?
6) see 5
7) White trash?
8) What is this? The Cold War? Need I remind you about the Berlin Wall?
This plan will most certainly not work and will be something Israel will never agree to. To put it mildly, did you let your emotions supplant your better judgement?
The whole goal is peace, not further agitation of the conflict. Think about that. What is to be gained by using our military and diplomatic power to bully Israel?
My peace plan is based on the following premise:
Enough is enough. After almost 50 years, it is clear Israel has no intention of complying with international law or respecting human rights. To allow this situation to continue, is tantamount to allowing Hitler to annex Poland, which is completely unacceptable. Since the Israeli's will not end the occupation voluntarily, then they should be forced to; no different than forcing the Germans to end the occupation of France. Enough is enough.
It is my personal opinion, the time for talking is over. Israel clearly will not negotiate in good faith. I get it! They called the game, so lets play ball!
It is very unlikely that the International community is going to engage in armed combat with the Israelis to support the Palestinians who have conducted hostile operations against the Israelis for the last 70 years. It might be possible that the International community will try to influence the acceptance of a two-state solution; but even that is not an assured political stance given the lack of cooperation the Palestinians have demonstrated since 1988.
Why would you grant someone who has committed no crime, amnesty?
Of coarse. I fully support the Israeli left. The Israeli right, can go to hell!
The fireworks are in response to the beating of innocent civilians.
So you have no choice but to beat the crap out of innocent, unarmed civilians, who have committed no crime?
I wonder how many African-Americans in the deep south heard that kind of rhetoric?
I don't have to be an Israeli citizen to recognize a violation of human rights.
Here's the thing, whereas I can freely admit no Israeli deserves to be blown up, you cannot reciprocate in regards to the Palestinians. For them, any violence against them is acceptable. All one has to see, is your response to that video to see that.
You tried to discredit the source, instead of attacking the claim from the source. That's an ad hominem.That's not ad hominem. Ad hominem is a direct insult to you as a person.
Are you saying that by me calling those "settlers" white trash, that I am personally attacking USMB members? Is that the red herring you are flying?Since this is the CDZ, I refrained from personal attacks, that is unlike you, referring to Israelis as "white trash." That is by itself a reflection of your character, if anything.
However, that "reflection of my character" comment above, was.I attacked your source, not you.
As long as the occupation continues, Israel is responsible for 90% of the violence. That is the elephant in the room.
Since the Palestinian's have been forced to live under draconian laws for the last 50 years, what's wrong with a draconian solution?So, if that were the case, don't you think using violence to put an end to violence would be...counterproductive? Why would you even think of putting boots on the ground to enforce such a draconian "peace" plan? Such an emotional argument, letting your hatred dictate policy.
"Those evil Israelis will get what's coming to them, you just wait and see!"
And that slight, comparing Israel to Nazi Germany was a very childish thing to say. I think it's about time I ended this conversation with you, you're becoming increasingly agitated. We did well to get this far, but I sense this will only devolve to petty bickering.
You tried to discredit the source, instead of attacking the claim from the source. That's an ad hominem.
An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying that by me calling those "settlers" white trash, that I am personally attacking USMB members? Is that the red herring you are flying?
No, that is me pointing out your hypocrisy. Referring to anyone as "white trash" is ad hominem.
Since the Palestinian's have been forced to live under draconian laws for the last 50 years, what's wrong with a draconian solution?So, if that were the case, don't you think using violence to put an end to violence would be...counterproductive? Why would you even think of putting boots on the ground to enforce such a draconian "peace" plan? Such an emotional argument, letting your hatred dictate policy.
"Those evil Israelis will get what's coming to them, you just wait and see!"
And that slight, comparing Israel to Nazi Germany was a very childish thing to say. I think it's about time I ended this conversation with you, you're becoming increasingly agitated. We did well to get this far, but I sense this will only devolve to petty bickering.
An occupational force cannot claim self defense.That's not true. Most of the time it's Palestine instigating the violence. You're upset because Israel defends itself.
The irrelevant fact was your personal feelings towards the author. You didn't address the claim, you attacked the author.My suggestion is to you, is to read carefully, my friend.
I didn't refer to "anyone" as white trash; I called those settlers white trash.No, that is me pointing out your hypocrisy. Referring to anyone as "white trash" is ad hominem.
I agree.Because this eye for an eye bullshit is an unacceptable way of settling a conflict.
I agree.Because this eye for an eye bullshit is an unacceptable way of settling a conflict.
The irrelevant fact was your personal feelings towards the author. You didn't address the claim, you attacked the author.
I didn't refer to "anyone" as white trash; I called those settlers white trash.
Do you need to be reminded where you are? You cannot deliberately misquote me.
Then round up all their white trash settlers and stick them on busses and send them back to Israel
The Nazis felt the same way about the Jews.I wonder that myself, but then again, you don't know who is and who isn't a terrorist. And when an entire pseudo state is bent on destroying you, you will never grant their citizens amnesty. Never will you trust them within your borders.
Amnesty is the wrong word... asylum is better.
I just told you I support the Israeli left. Are you saying they don't count? That only the Israeli right matter?Wow. How partisan. Shows you don't support Israel at all.
The reason for the pledge, is the same as the reason for the fireworks.No. They aren't. It is a result of a pledge of extermination of the Jewry and three wars.
http://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818a.htm
That's just not true. Last year, when Fatah and Hamas formed a Unity government with the intent of becoming more of a political movement and moving away from armed conflict, Israel attacked, killing 2600 Palestinian's and leaving over 10,000 homeless.The difference between African Americans in the Civil Rights era and the Palestinians today is this:
One sought recognition though peaceful activism. The other seeks recognition through violence.
I didn't say that.Ahh, so the Israelis aren't human beings after all. I see.
Just so we're clear on this one point, are you saying the actions by the IDF in that video were unacceptable?Ad hominem. No, that's not acceptable, but nor is what the PLO, Hamas/Hezbollah are doing.
A peace plan.Then you know your "peace plan" is nothing more than that.
I just told you I support the Israeli left. Are you saying they don't count? That only the Israeli right matter?
Just so we're clear on this one point, are you saying the actions by the IDF in that video were unacceptable?
If you are, it takes a lot of courage to admit that; if you're not, then what are you saying?
The reason for the pledge, is the same as the reason for the fireworks.
